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Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010

Payndz posted:

My brain automatically followed that first line with "we ain't got nothin' to lose mu'fucka, we rollin'".

But it's true. No one man should have all that power.

More specifically, Keir can kiss my rear end in a top hat

161 is the anti-fascism number

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JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!
I've never been proud to be British but coronavirus has managed to make me feel embarrassed about it

Camrath
Mar 19, 2004

The UKMT Fudge Baron


Bobby Deluxe posted:

I feel like this is very much a class thing, but I need to word this carefully because ADHD is real and its effects gently caress up lives.

But rich kids who's parents have money get diagnosed. They get to go through school with a reason. And I think in some cases, there are rich kids who are just rude and selfish who get the right psychologist to give then an aspergers diagnosis so they can get away with being assholes.

Since being online and part of autism communities you always get people who take 'autistic people can seem blunt or rude' at face value as an excuse. Autistic people are largely horrified if and when they find out they've offended someone.

Also a lot of people who go 'oh I have a diagnosis of x and it hasn't stopped me living a full life.' Yeah, bully for you being told how to do that, but the rest of us just got a rubber stamp saying we'd have difficulties amd got told to gently caress off and look it up ourselves.

Poor kids slip through undiagnosed in massive classes by overworked teachers. Their frustration and alienation mounts. Problem behaviours get them downgraded in which sets they're in. Without support they fail and are branded as just stupid.

And I think there are a lot of the issues that drive some people into the prison system - poor impulse control, irritability, lashing out, oversensitivity - that could be ascribed to a whole slew of learning difficulties and mental health issues if the same degree of support was given to poorer kids as to rich kids.

And while this is happening you have smug pricks like priti patel smirking about the death penalty for people who just happened to be born the wrong side of the line.

Basically rich kids get diagnoses and support, poor kids get booted out of education and probably prison.

Counterpoint- I was very very much a rich kid (public school, massively successful parents, homes in Highgate and France etc etc etc) and I didn’t get a depression diagnosis until I was 19, an ADHD one until I was 25 and an autism diagnosis in 2019, at age 38. Partly this was because the conditions just weren’t recognised for the most part in the 80s/90s when I was in school (though I remember a kid being diagnosed with depression when we were 12); ironically the guy who gave me the autism assessment and diagnosis turned out to be the first ever SEN specialist my alma mater hired (the year after I left) and the consultant shrink who referred me was also another old boy from the same place.

I do certainly remember what support there was being gamed though- my school had a /massive/ number of kids with ‘dyslexia’ who oddly never seemed to have a problem at all most of the year, but got extra time in exams etc, while one of my best friends who was /genuinely/ dyslexic (and I suspect also on the spectrum) ended up kicked out at the start of the Upper VI year because he was bringing down average grades. Yes, the school was run by cunts.

However yeah, strong agreement with this post for the most part.

Camrath fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Jan 27, 2021

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
lmao Jesus Christ.

https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1354416449314574339

Wachter
Mar 23, 2007

You and whose knees?

Gonzo McFee posted:

Just say "Jeremy Corbyn" and when they laugh at you point out that they thought Boris Johnson was the man for the job and now 100,000 people are dead.

You'll lose friends but the fall out will be spectacular.

"yeah, well, the Jeremy Corbyn that exists solely in my head would definitely have done a Holocaust, and probably would have ballsed that up too!!! So actually, be grateful, because the grim reality of Plague Lord Bozzer is much better than the fictional universe I've imagined, QED" :smuggo:

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Wachter posted:

"yeah, well, the Jeremy Corbyn that exists solely in my head would definitely have done a Holocaust, and probably would have ballsed that up too!!! So actually, be grateful, because the grim reality of Plague Lord Bozzer is much better than the fictional universe I've imagined, QED" :smuggo:

I feel you should have better people to talk to.

Lungboy
Aug 23, 2002

NEED SQUAT FORM HELP

Bobby Deluxe posted:

AKA the Rachel Riley problem. Brilliant at maths and quick calculations, but so poo poo at Humanities that she genuinely bought into the Corbyn antisemitism stuff, to the point that she took a photo of him getting arrested at an apartheid protest and photoshopped it to say he was racist.

She's no Vorderman, got a 2:1 at Uni and has the answers fed to her ear on Countdown.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
could anyone else have done better than skip COBRA meetings and go on holiday

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!

Lungboy posted:

She's no Vorderman, got a 2:1 at Uni and has the answers fed to her ear on Countdown.

Well she is an Essex lass

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003

Lungboy posted:

She's no Vorderman, got a 2:1 at Uni and has the answers fed to her ear on Countdown.

Vorderman got a 3rd class degree...

And really, knowledge and skill as a mathematician doesn’t directly correlate to ability at mental arithmetic anyway

Noxville fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Jan 27, 2021

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
Uni degrees ain't a sign on intelligence, look at everyone who ever went to Oxford or Cambridge.

You get into positions of power by making friends with the right people and being willing to do whatever people tell you to do. Boris Johnson was told to go to Europe and find some dirt on the EU and he just stayed in his hotel room getting drunk and making poo poo up and he became one of the most powerful men in the world because of it.

Edit: Didn't everyone know that it's all a gimmick? The Countdown board flipper is just the same as the Wheel of Fortune flipper but fed the calculator and dictionary lines so the kind of people who watch countdown can feel smug about wanking in the afternoon.

Gonzo McFee fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Jan 27, 2021

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Noxville posted:

Vorderman got a 3rd class degree...

It's not like you can get a degree in factorisation and 13 times tables with a minor in letter-announcing

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Venomous posted:

and how could that work if the alternative to a fascist UK is two neighbouring fascist countries?

its easier to take over a fascist country of 5 million people than 65 million

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


stev posted:

Is Johnson still hinting that he'll gently caress off in March like he was when he whined about his salary?

i think we're gonna get into amusing territory where boris is meant to resign as an apologetic scapegoat to wash the tories hands of the brexit and covid catastrophes but it keeps getting postponed cause we just have ongoing catastrophe for the next 4 years

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Communist Thoughts posted:

its easier to take over a fascist country of 5 million people than 65 million

Is this good or bad for the fascists?

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Guavanaut posted:

*glass vials shatter everywhere*

if Boris steals Stone Cold Steve Austin's entrance theme it will be the last straw

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


OwlFancier posted:

Is this good or bad for the fascists?

the fascists win by default atm, the left's snowballs chance in hell is larger in a smaller population though imo

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Since being online and part of autism communities you always get people who take 'autistic people can seem blunt or rude' at face value as an excuse. Autistic people are largely horrified if and when they find out they've offended someone.

Untrue, and perpetuating a harmful stereotype.

Autistic children maybe. Autistic adults tend to first ask "well does this person have any good reason to be offended?". Individual reaction after that varies about as much as it does in the general population.

People do tend to get mortified when they've unintentionally offended someone with implications they didn't mean, and this also applies to a lot of autistic people, but there's also a very large amount of autistic people who have grown so used to people being suddenly offended due to an assumption made from body language that they no longer give a poo poo.

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse
It's a harmful stereotype because then people with no clue what autism is say "you don't have autism, you're just an rear end in a top hat" when you fail to properly demonstrate shame when they get offended by you saying "stop whining about vaccines you conspiracy nut".

I'm autistic AND an rear end in a top hat.

endlessmonotony fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Jan 27, 2021

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug
lol its taken until now for the UK govt to say that going on holiday is not a valid form of travel.

Skarsnik
Oct 21, 2008

I...AM...RUUUDE!




https://twitter.com/carryonkeith/status/1354336994206355456

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Julio Cruz posted:

if Boris steals Stone Cold Steve Austin's entrance theme it will be the last straw
Boris's entrance theme is the shittyflute version of Holst's Jupiter.

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
Looks like deaths are plateauing at about 1240 a day, which is good, loving awful and shameful at the same time

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Failed Imagineer posted:

It's not like you can get a degree in factorisation and 13 times tables with a minor in letter-announcing

I dunno. I've encountered persons (including recruiters) who think a maths PhD is where you learn your 358 times table. Clueless.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

higher maths education might as well be sorcery for all I know. Don't understand any of it but somehow they can do weird poo poo with it.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
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Wachter
Mar 23, 2007

You and whose knees?

What is a maths? *flings wine glass aside* A miserable little pile of digits!

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

It does sometimes strike me as odd that I have had so little reason to use any mathematical knowledge since school that I have become basically innumerate, I can't even remember how to do primary school algebra because I've never had to.

Makes you wonder why it's a core subject honestly. Or at least why as a core subject there is so little focus on practically applied maths.

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth
We never did algebra in primary school.

I loved maths I should have stuck with it beyond A levels.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

^^^ I am weirdly enjoying going through a GCSE book about it, trying to relearn it later in life. It just feels like a huge uphill struggle getting new concepts to stick. I also can't really enjoy it because it feels like a waste of time when I could be playing on the PS4 and should be trying to work.


endlessmonotony posted:

Untrue, and perpetuating a harmful stereotype.
Fair point, I was only recently diagnosed later in life so am still learning. The discoveries I have made are not necessarily universal to autistic people.

Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Jan 27, 2021

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

Small Boss likes to spin!
Every now and then I'd use a little bit of algebra in my old job, very basic 'solve for x' stuff, and every time I felt extremely pleased with myself after accomplishing it.

Never used a quadratic equation in the real world though. I can't even remember what all that sin/cos/tan stuff was for.

Camrath
Mar 19, 2004

The UKMT Fudge Baron


Shyrka posted:

Every now and then I'd use a little bit of algebra in my old job, very basic 'solve for x' stuff, and every time I felt extremely pleased with myself after accomplishing it.

Never used a quadratic equation in the real world though. I can't even remember what all that sin/cos/tan stuff was for.

Literally the only time I’ve used trigonometry is playing submarine sims.

Though working out firing solutions with pencil and paper did make teenaged me feel cool as poo poo.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



When I got to twist that all maths was secretly just graphs and shapes on graphs the whole time I started to check out. When they revealed that the graphs were just a stand in for matrices I noped out entirely (and failed that module of my degree).

That's probably why I didn't get on with science. Starting every year with 'everything we taught you before is wrong, here's the real chemistry' gets old fast.

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Fair point, I was only recently diagnosed later in life so am still learning. The discoveries I have made are not necessarily universal to autistic people.

A lot of these things are built around children interacting with parents, teachers and healthcare staff. Usually there's also an assumption that the child is wrong and the adult isn't an rear end in a top hat. And that there's trust between the individuals.

They barely work within professional settings.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

There's a lot here to comment on.
With ASD/ADHD, no-one will get a diagnosis if their parents don't want a diagnosis*. In my area, the bar for being assessed for ADHD is so high that there are a lot of hoops to jump through before CAMHS will even consider a referral and if - at that stage - parents aren't on-board, the referral will probably be rejected outright. With ASD, the bar for referral isn't set as high, but the waiting times are very long (?as a result); a child can spend 2 years waiting for an autism assessment and then if parents don't want a diagnosis, the assessment will comment on all the features of autism that the child has but conclude that the child doesn't have autism. If parents then change their mind, it's another interminable wait for an assessment. With both of these, it's possible to go private for an assessment. It isn't cheap, but you certainly don't have to be rich as such (although having a spare £1500 would help). But you're clearly not going to spend a couple of grand on something you don't want.

So if your parents want you to have a diagnosis, you've got a massively increased likelihood of getting a diagnosis.
And if your parents aren't poor, they'll have more options for getting you a diagnosis.
Parents with better education and language skills themselves will also be better at advocating for their child.

Behaviour is a tricky one to unpick, and in a busy classroom where lots of children have needs, it's difficult for school staff to have the sort of time they need to unpick challenging behaviour. There are plenty of children with ASD/ADHD who don't present with any challenging behaviour at school, so children with more 'pure' behaviour difficulties will soak up more adult time (in managing their behaviour) than other children.
It's probably not that no-one's noticed the children struggling with their learning, it's that school budgets and SEN budgets have been slashed in real terms and schools have to prioritise. A child with pure behaviour difficulties is only going to get resources if they're having an impact on how other children are learning.

But yes, children who struggle to learn have poo poo outcomes overall. Something like 75-80% of adult male prisoners have language difficulties, for many of them their language is equivalent to that of an 8-11 year old. Hard for them to argue their innocence when that's the case. (There was an example from a few years ago where a young man with an IQ in the 'lower than 1st centile' range (i.e. he had moderate-severe learning difficulties) was convicted of hacking into a university network to set up student IDs for him and his mates for some sort of terrorist plot - a charge for which there isn't a big enough "What the gently caress?" available).

* - possibly, if a child is 'Child in Need' or 'Child in Need of Protection', you might find that professionals are more likely to ignore parents' wishes around diagnoses if the people pushing the referral are keen for a diagnosis to be given. But... :can:

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1354456056815120397?s=19

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
I use maths all day every day (if I don't have any actual work, I do math puzzles for fun or download an old A-level paper to keep me entertained).

I consider that one of the purposes of education is to introduce kids to a whole range of subjects they wouldn't get to see otherwise (and find out - just maybe it's something they enjoy and/or are good at). So for everyone who has never used more than basic arithmetic since school, there are those who have never picked up a musical instrument or piece of music, or get all their history straight from Ancient Aliens or whatever.

My particular hate subject was needlework. I was so bad at it. I started skiving school on Mondays (double needlework) and if I couldn't skive, I would claim a tummy ache and go to the nurse. Apart from sewing on the odd button, I've never used needlework as an adult and am crap at crafts and not very interested to learn. But there are those in my family who love it and half the women on my facebook seem to spend hours doing crafts and posting about it.

Had it been left to my parents, I would never have had any maths - my dad hated it at school, couldn't do it, used to threaten me with quadratic equations when I started showing signs at primary of being good at it and he has infected almost all his kids and grandkids with a fear of maths.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
Lmao how did I not know he voted for Boris. I just assumed it would be the lib Dems

https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1354456298482524162?s=19

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!
I skived social dancing PE once and it was the catalyst that sent me down a life of weed, videogames and poo poo posting.

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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

sassassin posted:

We never did algebra in primary school.

I loved maths I should have stuck with it beyond A levels.

I seem to remember we were introduced to the concept of basic equations in primary school.

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