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I mean, its a giant mod with dozens of people and seemingly no editor (just going by stuff like typos or obvious grammatical errors). That's an obviously stupid design decision but it also makes everyone pretty blameless for what everyone else is doing. If you're making a mod in your free time with some people you met online and some guy says he's working on a sidequest about a slave with a bomb collar you just go 'kinda heavy but fallout games get into that sorta stuff, sure' and think no more on it.
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Endorph posted:I mean, its a giant mod with dozens of people and seemingly no editor (just going by stuff like typos or obvious grammatical errors). That's an obviously stupid design decision but it also makes everyone pretty blameless for what everyone else is doing. If you're making a mod in your free time with some people you met online and some guy says he's working on a sidequest about a slave with a bomb collar you just go 'kinda heavy but fallout games get into that sorta stuff, sure' and think no more on it. Honestly the list of people on this is unbelievably large for a free mod. I don't think even having an editor to check over things would be able to solve a weird content leak on this scale. You'd need a group of atleast 4 or 5 people checking on what was being done, then having that checked over by someone else. That is alot to ask of a group working on this much entirely for free, and it's hard to do that with even a small-sized company making an actual game. Like, the mod in it's smaller stuff is way more interesting. I totally ditched the large questlines as a whole, and I found most everything in the wider world of the mod to be infinitely more fun and interesting to play. It's frustrating how you have One part being a Euro-Jank Cawadoody shooter, one part being The Worst Written Mormon Fanfiction Ever, and the last part being Legion which lol gently caress legion. Diabetes Forecast fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Jan 28, 2021 |
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Endorph posted:I mean, its a giant mod with dozens of people and seemingly no editor (just going by stuff like typos or obvious grammatical errors). That's an obviously stupid design decision but it also makes everyone pretty blameless for what everyone else is doing. If you're making a mod in your free time with some people you met online and some guy says he's working on a sidequest about a slave with a bomb collar you just go 'kinda heavy but fallout games get into that sorta stuff, sure' and think no more on it. It doesn't help the project had a ton of turnover. From what I understand, both the original modders who founded the project haven't been involved for a while, but during their tenure they both had a bad habit of putting every cool idea they got into the mod (It shouldn't be surprising that the NCR campaign was the baby of one of the founders and was constantly being expanded until they left the project), and it wasn't until tgspy took over in 2018 that a real focus was put on actually finishing the mod and bringing it into a releasable state. Like, as it stands the mod has a larger worldspace than New Vegas and more lines of dialogue than Fallout 3. It's honestly entirely possible that no one knows everything that's in the mod.
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yeah I'm not feeling super sympathetic either, all the gross poo poo got noticed and flagged within hours of it being released, it's not like this just snuck in and never got noticed.Endorph posted:I mean, its a giant mod with dozens of people and seemingly no editor (just going by stuff like typos or obvious grammatical errors). That's an obviously stupid design decision but it also makes everyone pretty blameless for what everyone else is doing. If you're making a mod in your free time with some people you met online and some guy says he's working on a sidequest about a slave with a bomb collar you just go 'kinda heavy but fallout games get into that sorta stuff, sure' and think no more on it. alternatively it makes it harder to let all this pass because a lot more people had the opportunity to raise their hand and nobody did until it was released.
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Flesh Forge posted:yeah I'm not feeling super sympathetic either, all the gross poo poo got noticed and flagged within hours of it being released, it's not like this just snuck in and never got noticed. Why would they be able to raise their hands when they're working on their own little questlines and characters and not interacting or paying attention to what other people are doing? There was no oversight. The whole process was a mess and it's pretty believable.
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It is very, very difficult to believe that nobody else on the team sat down and played through any part of the Crusaders, or none of them noticed they'd slapped a bomb-rear end titties mod in their game.
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I think some people knew but I think it's reasonable to assume that not all of them did.
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Ironslave posted:It is very, very difficult to believe that nobody else on the team sat down and played through any part of the Crusaders, or none of them noticed they'd slapped a bomb-rear end titties mod in their game. Oh there definitely was. Just ONLY the people making it and the friends they had testing it. It reads like it was made almost entirely in a vacuum with only a few people really touching it, it's so wildly different in tone and structure than the other parts.
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Diabetes Forecast posted:Oh there definitely was. Just ONLY the people making it and the friends they had testing it. It reads like it was made almost entirely in a vacuum with only a few people really touching it, it's so wildly different in tone and structure than the other parts. Wouldn't surprise me, IIRC the Crusaders were a relatively late addition to the mod.
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TBF, who actually asks their coworkers "do you draw MLP kiddie porn" so I can maybe give them a pass on that Other stuff, eh, not so much
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Has the name of the pedo guy been dropped? It didn't turn out to be richard spencer, did it?
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Garrand posted:Has the name of the pedo guy been dropped? It didn't turn out to be richard spencer, did it? oof yikes nazi devs, please dont look into my space station 13 anti-vaxxer past though
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Ibram Gaunt posted:I think some people knew but I think it's reasonable to assume that not all of them did. I didn't say all, but yeah no poo poo "some".
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Garrand posted:Has the name of the pedo guy been dropped? It didn't turn out to be richard spencer, did it?
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Defiance Industries posted:Yeah supposedly everybody just kind of staked out projects as their personal fiefdom, that's why there's no consistency to anything. Yeah, if somebody really did try to step in as a "producer" role vetting what people were making, or keeping track of timelines... that's the sort of thing that you need but is really hard to establish when everyone's a volunteer. It's a miracle the game came out in a finished state at all. As in, it probably only got this far because no given team was willing to put their foot down against another team's work. I do feel bad for the folks who put in a lot of work and had no control over the worst stuff. Hopefully the furry stuff doesn't taint the mod so badly that the seriously impressive technical work, which ought to be enough to get actual irl jobs in the industry, can't be put on resumes. And from that 40 minute video, it seemed like the one thing they really seemed to naturally grasp was Wild Wasteland. Basic Chunnel fucked around with this message at 08:34 on Jan 28, 2021 |
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Jan 28, 2021 08:31
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This is absolutely why siloing doesn't work. They needed to constantly be talking about what they were doing within their organization. Sucks that it bit them back like this but I hope the lesson was clear to those folk in the hotseats.
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RangerKarl posted:This is absolutely why siloing doesn't work. They needed to constantly be talking about what they were doing within their organization. Sucks that it bit them back like this but I hope the lesson was clear to those folk in the hotseats. That's the problem with volunteer projects, nobody wants to sign on for something where they're told "Everything you do will be subject to approval by me, the guy in charge, who doesn't pay you or anything like that." Once you start wanting people to exert control over someone else, it's either something where people get kicked off the project all the time OR you have to actually pay them.
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if this was actually something nobody cared about and this was actually some secret plot to harbor a furry pedo, then here's a thought: why would they suddenly back down on it? it's a fallout mod, it's not like it's a full steam game they're charging money for and thus need to play nice. tons of skyrim and fallout mods with creepy sex stuff already get released and nobody gives a poo poo. like they sometimes get made fun of but they also get hundreds of thousands of downloads. if they were actually aware of the sex stuff and wanted it in the game, they lose nothing by just rolling with it. it's a big mod so there'll be some scrutiny on twitter and poo poo, but very few people are that invested in new vegas mods in the year 2021. and none of these people will ever work together again either way. and if they were hoping to try and roll this into some sort of games career, they wouldn't have let the sex stuff in if they knew about it. the only reason they'd actually back down, remove this stuff, and apologize, and the lead would step down, is if they actually didn't know, and they actually felt sorry about it.
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Endorph posted:if this was actually something nobody cared about and this was actually some secret plot to harbor a furry pedo, then here's a thought: No one thinks it was a secret plot to harbor a furry pedo.
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Skwirl posted:No one thinks it was a secret plot to harbor a furry pedo. Flesh Forge posted:yeah I'm not feeling super sympathetic either, all the gross poo poo got noticed and flagged within hours of it being released, it's not like this just snuck in and never got noticed.
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Wonder if there's ulterior motives that people keep wanting to push the "mods are secret nazis/pedo" narrative....Couldn't be lol.
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Nckdictator posted:So, uh, is North Road Remastered any good? Trying to find some quest mods that aren't poo poo (already played the Bounties series) I highly recommend a mod called Salt Lake Stories - terrible name, but the gameplay loop is reminiscent of Fallout 1/2 in that you have an overworld map and get involved in a lot of local politics and sidequests. The mod was made by a German fellow (side bar: between this and Enderal, I think we should just let Germans make mods from now on. It's clear that we can't do it) and the English localization is... spotty, though not completely incomprehensible. The voice actors are also unusually committed to saying the lines straight, even if they sound bizarre. However, it's mostly bug free and full of interesting content. Out of the "road trip" mods for New Vegas, including North Road and Zion Trail, Salt Lake Stories is probably the best and most varied, for my money. Erwin the German fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Jan 28, 2021 |
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Between Fallout the Frontier and literally everything going on with the stock market right now, feels like this is a good week to laugh about video game bullshit.
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The pedo furry sucks, but is also the kind of thing I can understand missing. Volunteer mod project people don't sign on thinking they have to do background trawls of everyone who volunteers to help out. And while it's easy to say maybe they should that tends to require management/professionalism that you don't get without paying OR a small personal team where everyone knows each other well. I guess the lesson here is maybe big mods should have actual management to oversee poo poo/do a basic google vetting of volunteers/cut poo poo that really doesn't fit like the Crusaders. But then who's gonna volunteer to work on a mod where you have to deal with management. Edit: good on the devs for acting fast when this came up though
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This is such a spectacular Hindenburg of a mod. Every day something else weird or bad was revealed, and now it's basically exploded, and it took the better part of a decade to get here. Never in my most cynical wild dreams could I imagine things going this poorly. I feel very bad for the vast majority of people who worked on this. All that unpaid work just to bring something you're passionate about to life only to find out the bits you weren't paying attention to are varying degrees of bad and embarrassing and are all anyone is talking about, and now your name is forever associated with this pedophile scandal. I don't even know if there's a lesson here. TheDiceMustRoll posted:oof yikes nazi devs, please dont look into my space station 13 anti-vaxxer past though Ibram Gaunt posted:Wonder if there's ulterior motives that people keep wanting to push the "mods are secret nazis/pedo" narrative....Couldn't be lol. Lol keep holding onto that high ground goons.
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I don't think anyone could have specifically known one of the devs was a pedo, but to be honest inserting your weird fetishes into something mainstream is always a red flag and should have triggered right-thinking people into looking further into everyone's background which, I mean, it did - it's just that the fans were the ones with a sense of right and wrong, not the devs zero sympathy for this notion of blind idiot mod developers
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Lt. Danger posted:I don't think anyone could have specifically known one of the devs was a pedo, but to be honest inserting your weird fetishes into something mainstream is always a red flag and should have triggered right-thinking people into looking further into everyone's background lol at 'the devs dont have a sense of right and wrong'
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if they didnt have a sense of right and wrong, again, they could just keep that poo poo in the mod. who'd care? what personal punishment would they suffer if they left it in? the fact that they took it out immediately and multiple people stepped down is proof they do actually care and are ashamed they made it in. you can say they're morons for giving people so little oversight but there's no reason to say they somehow lack morality. unless you have some weird vested interest in painting a bunch of modders as bad people, which would be extremely bizarre.
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I reinstalled NV because i wanted to try the mod and now i am having massive second thoughts reading all of this. I will likely just wait until it is fixed up by someone. NV still great though.
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Burns posted:I reinstalled NV because i wanted to try the mod and now i am having massive second thoughts reading all of this. I will likely just wait until it is fixed up by someone. Too late. Mod's dead friend.
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Endorph posted:if they didnt have a sense of right and wrong, again, they could just keep that poo poo in the mod. who'd care? what personal punishment would they suffer if they left it in? the fact that they took it out immediately and multiple people stepped down is proof they do actually care and are ashamed they made it in. you can say they're morons for giving people so little oversight but there's no reason to say they somehow lack morality. unless you have some weird vested interest in painting a bunch of modders as bad people, which would be extremely bizarre. what about modders that constantly feel the need to shove their weird sex with giant lizards fetish poo poo into everything they do, or maybe modders that do the same thing with their diaperfur OC
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Psycho Landlord posted:Too late. Mod's dead friend. Unfortunately i did download it and it is installed. Im not willing to even go to the area in north vegas to start it. I might reroll a new game though. Is jsawyer a good addition? Also are there any mods that improve (make them look less like wreckage) the towns like freeside? I see a bunch on nexus but most seem quite old. Burns fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Jan 28, 2021 |
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Endorph posted:if they didnt have a sense of right and wrong, again, they could just keep that poo poo in the mod. who'd care? what personal punishment would they suffer if they left it in? the fact that they took it out immediately and multiple people stepped down is proof they do actually care and are ashamed they made it in. you can say they're morons for giving people so little oversight but there's no reason to say they somehow lack morality. unless you have some weird vested interest in painting a bunch of modders as bad people, which would be extremely bizarre. I was thinking more "propriety" and at least some of the devs have a warped sense of it, like other fetishists who feel its not weird and actually very normal to inflict their kinks on unconsenting people personally I don't think "shame" counts the same as "guilt" - if you had to wait to have everyone screaming at you about snake-people sex to remove it, instead of cutting it as soon as you saw, then you didn't know it was wrong in the first place. this doesn't mean you're an amoral nihilist, just that in this area your social calibration's all hosed up! possibly because you spend too much time on the internet with people that think loving a lizard is normal! I don't know what particular forums slapfight I've stepped into now and I don't care either. but I think the idea that the mod was developed under black box conditions is ludicrous. someone had the final product before release. someone made trailers and media packages. someone tested it, however perfunctorily. someone knew what was in the mod, and didn't do their due diligence
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I found that JSawyer tightened up the gameplay very nicely. For town cleanup there's a few mods like this: https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/50684 and a couple of mods like I think Performance Of The Gods which delete a load of trash from towns to boost the framerate.Orange Crush Rush posted:what about modders that constantly feel the need to shove their weird sex with giant lizards fetish poo poo into everything they do, or maybe modders that do the same thing with their diaperfur OC
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Lurdiak posted:(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Burns posted:Im wondering if anyone has attempted to add fallout4 style power armor to NV. As in "looks like FO4 power armour" or "power armour frame plus parts customization"? Because Dragbody has done the former and I've definitely seen something akin to the latter.
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