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goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Gonzo McFee posted:

Got my first dose coming Saturday fellas :c00lbutt:

Surely the brothels are all closed in lockdown?

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SpaceCommie
Oct 2, 2008

I'm escaping to the one place that hasn't been corrupted by Capitalism ...

SPACE!



OwlFancier posted:

Could you use the mRNA approach to do things other than create vaccines? Like if you can use it to trigger the body to produce viral proteins to trigger an immune response could it be applied to make your body produce other chemicals?

mRNA degrades way to quickly to do anything really useful outside of create a large amount of protein to present to your immune system.

Now, if we could perfect the process of endosymbiosis that gave us mitochondria (and plants chloroplasts) maybe we could infect people with bacteria that could live inside their cells creating proteins.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Strom Cuzewon posted:

Would it even be that useful? mRNAs + vectors sound much harder to make than just injecting someone with the hormone. Maybe some kind of longish term (days/weeks) hormone like HGF or oestrogen where you want a long term release but also can't just take a pill every day because ???
Yeah insulin itself probably isn't the most useful one, it was just the first peptide hormone that came to mind, and it might have been useful in some alt-history where we had mRNA when we were still going through literal tons of pig pancreata for insulin. But you could theoretically do it with tons of different proteins. Could regular doses reverse some types of demyelinating disease or something in the future? No idea.

Reminds me though, I meant to ask ThomasPaine what their thoughts were on the development in artificial pancreas tech over the past couple years, that was another thing that started off very community hacky and has quite recently gone pro.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Surely the brothels are all closed in lockdown?
There are no brothels, only 'brothels', so idk what laws apply there. Can you have escorts in your support bubble?

e: ^^^ I want chloroplasts. gently caress instant noodles I'll make my own dinner.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

SpaceCommie posted:

mRNA degrades way to quickly to do anything really useful outside of create a large amount of protein to present to your immune system.

Now, if we could perfect the process of endosymbiosis that gave us mitochondria (and plants chloroplasts) maybe we could infect people with bacteria that could live inside their cells creating proteins.
Give me wrist mounted bee launchers, or get back in the drat lab.

Oscar Romeo Romeo
Apr 16, 2010

OwlFancier posted:

I would recommend a bandana if you find the ear loops uncomfortable, I still wear mine when I'm during quiet hours, gives me less of a headache/earache. My head's a bit big for the masks honestly so they pull my lugs quite a lot.

A thick snood is good too (and doubles up as a scarf!). You can get snoods with little pockets to put mask filters in too. There were quite a few sellers on Etsy making them in the summer.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Surely the brothels are all closed in lockdown?

Apparently not. Kent Police issues 729 lockdown fines including to women hiding in cupboard at house party and brothel visitor

Oscar Romeo Romeo fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Jan 28, 2021

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal
I can't keep anything on by ear loops. A bit of wide elastic round the back of the head works well though, or of you don't like elastic, narrow cotton strips tied together behind the head, but resting on your ears to stop them slipping down.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

quote:

Also included on that list was a man caught visiting a brothel in Minster, Sheppey at 6pm on Friday.

I think this pretty much defines the saying about a town being big enough for a brothel but small enough you wouldn't want to visit it.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

goddamnedtwisto posted:

I think this pretty much defines the saying about a town being big enough for a brothel but small enough you wouldn't want to visit it.

lmao i've never heard that expression before, it's good

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
i need charlies suit from this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbCk8Jr45ZM

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Guavanaut posted:

Yeah insulin itself probably isn't the most useful one, it was just the first peptide hormone that came to mind, and it might have been useful in some alt-history where we had mRNA when we were still going through literal tons of pig pancreata for insulin. But you could theoretically do it with tons of different proteins. Could regular doses reverse some types of demyelinating disease or something in the future? No idea.

Or it would myelinate the rest of you. Either way, you're not gonna worry about the lack of myelin.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

OwlFancier posted:

Could you use the mRNA approach to do things other than create vaccines? Like if you can use it to trigger the body to produce viral proteins to trigger an immune response could it be applied to make your body produce other chemicals?

What you're thinking of is just gene therapy, and yes. As others have pointed out, you don't really want to use RNA cause it's too fragile, and your immune system might get arsey about foreigners (especially British immune systems), plus you need a way to get it where it needs to go.

That's why one of the few gene therapies approved is Luxturna, a drug that prevents blindness and is injected straight into your eyeballs to avoid the systemic immune response. And then also Zolgensma, which cure spinal muscular atrophy in infants by essentially replacing a defective gene in your neuromuscular system (which is pre-approved by your immune system and is on the inside of the cell so your immune system can't see it anyway).

And both of those are delivered using Adeno-associated viruses, tiny viruses which don't tend to make humans sick but are very good at infecting primates

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

You can pick up a Tyvek oversuit at any DIY place (or pick up a military NBC suit from Silvermans for 30 quid), and for your air filtration while drinking booze needs might I suggest the M15 NATO gas mask?

(I'm sure if you ask Alice on Twitter she'll be able to suggest a cheaper Eastern bloc equivalent with only a little bit of asbestos in i)

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003

WhatEvil posted:

Second or third time I've seen recommendations for double-masking now that the new, more contagious variants of covid are about :

https://twitter.com/AstroKatie/status/1354849307434876939?s=20

Yeah I’ve seen this increasingly recently, and it’s at least driven me to get a better mask that the one I had which was just a single cotton layer, the ones at Vistaprint are two cotton layers with a filter between them and if I ever need to go into a small enclosed building I will definitely be wearing a disposable medical-style one underneath too.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
I'm confused: is the Astra Zeneca vaccine the same thing as the Oxford vaccine?

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

I'm confused: is the Astra Zeneca vaccine the same thing as the Oxford vaccine?

Yep. Oxford Vaccine Group developed it, then Bill Gates flew in in his zeppelin (presumably) and convinced them to partner with AZ.

The fact that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation are a major holder of AZ stock is.purely coincidental

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
These are the approved vaccines:
https://www.raps.org/news-and-articles/news-articles/2020/3/covid-19-vaccine-tracker

BNT162b2 is the first approved one and is mRNA and needs to be kept at dry ice temperatures (maybe) and is by Pfizer/BioNTech/Fosun Pharma.
mRNA-1273 is the newly approved mRNA one by Moderna.
CoronaVac is the traditional style vaccine that we won't be getting for political reasons.
AZD1222 is the one made of tiny primates and is by AstraZeneca and Operation Warp Speed.
Oxford University is a lie made up by Cambridge so that they can pretend to have rowing rivals.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Guavanaut posted:

AZD1222 is the one made of tiny primates and is by AstraZeneca and Operation Warp Speed.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Failed Imagineer posted:

What you're thinking of is just gene therapy, and yes. As others have pointed out, you don't really want to use RNA cause it's too fragile, and your immune system might get arsey about foreigners (especially British immune systems), plus you need a way to get it where it needs to go.

That's why one of the few gene therapies approved is Luxturna, a drug that prevents blindness and is injected straight into your eyeballs to avoid the systemic immune response. And then also Zolgensma, which cure spinal muscular atrophy in infants by essentially replacing a defective gene in your neuromuscular system (which is pre-approved by your immune system and is on the inside of the cell so your immune system can't see it anyway).

And both of those are delivered using Adeno-associated viruses, tiny viruses which don't tend to make humans sick but are very good at infecting primates

Are liposomes still a thing for gene therapy? I remember hearing about them as an alternative to viruses for delivering material to more accessible bits of the body. But that was way back and a cursory search of the literature gives me papers like "Liposomes: Why they're poo poo" and "Viruses: Way better than liposomes"

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

Failed Imagineer posted:

Yep. Oxford Vaccine Group developed it, then Bill Gates flew in in his zeppelin (presumably) and convinced them to partner with AZ.

The fact that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation are a major holder of AZ stock is.purely coincidental

I dont like how reality is converging with alt-right conspiracy bullshit, but didn't benevolent mr bill also convince them to charge more money for it?

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe
I don't think so. It varies by country but in the UK the AstraZeneca jab is about £3 per dose, compared to about £15 for the Pfizer one and £25 for the Moderna one.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Strom Cuzewon posted:

Are liposomes still a thing for gene therapy? I remember hearing about them as an alternative to viruses for delivering material to more accessible bits of the body. But that was way back and a cursory search of the literature gives me papers like "Liposomes: Why they're poo poo" and "Viruses: Way better than liposomes"

The mRNA vaccines are delivered in liposomes if you want to call that gene therapy.

My personal belief is cell-penetrating peptides for gene delivery. When I was still post-doc'ing I started developing a platform for expressing genes which would attach to such a peptide, cross into the cell, and then be released to do their thing. Saying any more would probably jeopardise any hypothetical patent filing, but it's languishing in a freezer somewhere so unlikely to ever see the light of day unless I need a backup plan and want to whore myself to some venture capitalists

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
is neil coyle the biggest oval office in the labour party?

https://twitter.com/coyleneil/status/1354746063522066433?s=20

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.
I'm glad its taken less than 12 hours for West Midlands Plod to admit their officer was a lunatic.

Very happy that the % of bootlickers in the video comments was so small too.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

serious gaylord posted:

I'm glad its taken less than 12 hours for West Midlands Plod to admit their officer was a lunatic.

Very happy that the % of bootlickers in the video comments was so small too.

Is that the one with the beard who flipped out when the bloke asked him to turn his body cam on?

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Is that the one with the beard who flipped out when the bloke asked him to turn his body cam on?

Yeah, broke basically every rule in the book and chucked him in the back of the car without even arresting him properly. Public apology from WMP from discovery at lunch time to 9pm. Got to be a record.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


peanut- posted:

I don't think so. It varies by country but in the UK the AstraZeneca jab is about £3 per dose, compared to about £15 for the Pfizer one and £25 for the Moderna one.

That's also because it's easier to make IIRC.

Ascythian
Nov 6, 2020

by Cyrano4747

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Surely the brothels are all closed in lockdown?

Brothels closed? Does not compute.

radmonger
Jun 6, 2011

Failed Imagineer posted:


And both of those are delivered using Adeno-associated viruses, tiny viruses which don't tend to make humans sick but are very good at infecting primates

Gene therapy so that your sweat is a hallucinogen when?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Please don't lick other posters itt.

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Guavanaut posted:

Please don't lick other posters itt.

That's the February thread title sorted

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Jose posted:

is neil coyle the biggest oval office in the labour party?

https://twitter.com/coyleneil/status/1354746063522066433?s=20

This is some serious psyop poo poo and I don't know why we keep inflicting it on ourselves.

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

Ascythian posted:

Brothels closed? Does not compute.

Camsites?

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

TheRat posted:

I dont like how reality is converging with alt-right conspiracy bullshit, but didn't benevolent mr bill also convince them to charge more money for it?

Reality has been converging with alt-right conspiracy bullshit for almost a decade, the entire birth of the alt-right was some posters correctly noticing problems but then going Full Racist rather than acknowledge economic conditions exist.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
Sorry for the Heil link:

source: heil/money/markets/article-9199185/Warning-market-abuse-Reddit-fever-sweeps-Britain.html

quote:


Warning over market abuse as Reddit fever sweeps Britain: FCA sounds the alarm as UK investors pile in to get back at hedge funds

Traders have been warned they could be guilty of market abuse amid a trading frenzy which has pitted ordinary investors against Wall Street.

UK investors should be wary of 'highly volatile market conditions', the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) said, after users on social media site Reddit began pumping up the price of certain stocks to get back at hedge funds and other short-sellers.

The FCA cautioned that traders joining the Reddit crowd in ploughing their money into these stocks could even fall foul of rules on market abuse – if they were found to have artificially inflated the price of a stock.

The bizarre trading frenzy, which has been branded the 'French revolution of investing' by some industry insiders, appears to have begun as a way for disillusioned millennials to get back at the crisp-suited hedge funds who they blame for their financial woes. They have targeted stocks heavily shorted by hedge funds.

...

Heavily shorted companies including Pearson, Cineworld and Hammerson all saw sharp spikes in their share prices this week for no discernible reason.

etc


crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
oh nooooo the wrong people are abusing the markets haaalp :laugh:

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
I know pie chat was a few days ago, but anyway: pie chat redux:

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
I'm trying to imagine the kind of grief that some of the Tory right were getting from their friends benefactors in private investment firms over this, but the only thing my brain is coming up with is a pathetic mewling noise.

Which sounds apt, tbh

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Jedit posted:

Which risk group are you in?

Frontline healthcare

Total Meatlove
Jan 28, 2007

:japan:
Rangers died, shoujo Hitler cried ;_;
Outlawing the act of noticing that hedge funds have managed to nakedly short a company and having behaviour based on that become market abuse could have no ill effects and the FCA are definitely onto a winner there.


:lol: some people closed out fractional shares at $2600.

Total Meatlove fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Jan 29, 2021

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Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

I know pie chat was a few days ago, but anyway: pie chat redux:



The creatures outside looked from pie to man, and from man to pie, and from pie to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which

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