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PostNouveau posted:I think bot quality has just gone up in general. The good teams seem to understand that it's more important to be able to survive a lot of big hits than it is to deliver big hits yourself. Maybe it's just me, but it seems like bots have gotten a whole lot sturdier in recent years. There's a max tip speed, but that doesn't limit the amount of mass you can put behind it. Though I guess there's a practical limit, given you need to power the weapon and have an overall weight limit. Deep Six is a pretty good example of pushing that boundary, though I'm not certain they got near the max weapon speed.
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RBA Starblade posted:I know they like Tombstone as a heel or whatever but lol everyone's got it's number now The guy just rubs me the wrong way for some reason.
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Jan 29, 2021 20:35
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I generally like him. But he did seem a little sore losery in this episode.
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Jan 29, 2021 20:50
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I feel that the arena hazards aren't dangerous enough. The hammers should hit harder and the saws should trigger more often. Right now they aren't even really hazards; no one changes their driving style to avoid them.
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Jan 29, 2021 20:57
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He's been getting crushed all season to the point where there's a real chance he might not make the cut so I understand it. Tombstone has been extremely reliable for the past four years and seeing it get stomped not once but twice by strong competitors puts it square into focus that while his design has stagnated the competition has not. That initital loss against Endgame especially just, whooof.
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Jan 29, 2021 21:03
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oh jay posted:I generally like him. But he did seem a little sore losery in this episode. Literally the only time I can remember that he didn't take the loss well, it was kinda weird honestly! That Huge vs Kraken fight owned though, dang
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Jan 29, 2021 21:44
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I think he really thought he still had controlled movement but bots were counted out for less
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Jan 29, 2021 21:51
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Tombstone is getting out-meta'd tbh, the bots are slowly being more and more sturdy and Tombstone blows itself up from those impacts.
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Jan 29, 2021 22:09
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RBA Starblade posted:I think he really thought he still had controlled movement but bots were counted out for less Yeah that was dumb. He should know if he loses a wheel he's toast.
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Jan 29, 2021 22:11
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Kojiro posted:Literally the only time I can remember that he didn't take the loss well, it was kinda weird honestly! I loved that one loss of Ray's when he sees Tombstone smoking and says, "that's batteries" matter-of-factly, resigning himself to defeat.
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Jan 29, 2021 22:22
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feeling good about my "tombstone is not going to do well" prediction, which i am sad about more now because i like tombstone a lot. simple straightforward "i'm going to destroy you or you're going to destroy me", no nonsense about minimizing ground clearance or maximizing control. they are very valid ways to win a match but tombstone guarantees entertainment. otherwise the end point is going to be three dozen hydras with dumb anti-huge frames, pushing each other forever. bots have gotten reliable enough and wedges strong enough to send tombstone into the air multiple times, and in those fights idk if ray could ever improve on it enough to survive it consistently  ray plays a villain but in every other form of media he's clearly a nice guy who is having fun.
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Jan 29, 2021 23:38
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logikv9 posted:ray plays a villain but in every other form of media he's clearly a nice guy who is having fun. Yeah, Ray definitely plays a character when he drives, but it melts the second he interacts with his stepkid. 
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Jan 29, 2021 23:44
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logikv9 posted:bots have gotten reliable enough and wedges strong enough to send tombstone into the air multiple times, and in those fights idk if ray could ever improve on it enough to survive it consistently Ali wasn't number one forever either. And to tombstones credit, it was still working. Just not in one piece.
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Jan 29, 2021 23:58
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MiddleOne posted:That initital loss against Endgame especially just, whooof. Kind of disagree. Like he lost to Endgame but, it was really only from a perfect hit that sent Tombstone out of the arena. And I also kind of see why Ray would be confused about getting counted out there since they usually don't start counting out bots that are still getting pushed by the other bot.
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SLICK GOKU BABY posted:Kind of disagree. Like he lost to Endgame but, it was really only from a perfect hit that sent Tombstone out of the arena. That wasn't luck. They plainly stated their gameplan before the match and that was that.
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Jan 30, 2021 02:58
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MiddleOne posted:That wasn't luck. They plainly stated their gameplan before the match and that was that. Sorry, they had their gameplan yes, and did it. What happened though, was complete luck and outside of their game plan. Tombstone got stuck on the edge of the box, and they got the exact perfect hit where Tombstone went out of the arena.
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Jan 30, 2021 03:38
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Sure, but in alternate reality where Tombstone didn't they would have just hit it again or repeated their strategy. Tombstone somehow winning despite that scenario would in fact have been down to luck. Are you trying to be pedantic? I feel like you're being pedantic.
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Jan 30, 2021 04:17
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oh jay posted:I generally like him. But he did seem a little sore losery in this episode. I think he probably was upset because he wanted to look good in front of his kid
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Jan 30, 2021 04:19
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logikv9 posted:ray plays a villain but in every other form of media he's clearly a nice guy who is having fun. The fact that several other teams this season only made it to the tournament because of his mentoring speaks volumes about his character
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Jan 30, 2021 05:56
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maybe magnets to try to hold Tombstone to the floor and keep it more grounded would be one way to try to improve, but i can't imagine there's a way to make them weighty enough against those hits
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i think the only changes he came into this season with were new bar geometries, since weapon fuckery is what cost him last year. I’m legitimately curious what significant changes he can bring next year to improve his chances other than finding some other way to further optimize an already drat optimized bot
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Jan 30, 2021 08:31
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He could switch to brushless drive. Those looked like pretty chunky motors for a bot that doesn't really push.
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Jan 30, 2021 08:52
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He could probably go with a lighter bar and use the additional weight for even more reliability on the rest of the bot. It's the design philosophy that Carbide's team used in Robot Wars in order to survive the attrition of that competition. (their heaviest bar is 20 lbs lighter than Tombstone's lightest bar) But then you get a less powerful Tombstone, and that just doesn't sound right. 
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MiddleOne posted:Sure, but in alternate reality where Tombstone didn't they would have just hit it again or repeated their strategy. Tombstone somehow winning despite that scenario would in fact have been down to luck. You seem to be a little bit, or you want to move your goalposts around. Tombstone is not getting "crushed" all season and it wasn't a big Whooof that he lost to Endgame after 2 perfect & lucky hits. The Endgame fight won't be a major factor to the selection committee and Tombstone will most definitely be in the 32 and make a good run.
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Jan 30, 2021 10:07
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Give Tombstone some wheel armor
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Bodyholes posted:maybe magnets to try to hold Tombstone to the floor and keep it more grounded would be one way to try to improve, but i can't imagine there's a way to make them weighty enough against those hits Walker-Tombstone
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I was really happy for Skorpios that he got the win, it must have been a great feeling to know it  loving WORKED!!Also I have been poisoned by the internet because I could not see anything other than Goatse in the 'War?ez!' bot. 
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Rondette posted:I was really happy for Skorpios that he got the win, it must have been a great feeling to know it No Ring you degenerate.
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Lotta good Skorpios content in the second episode of Bounty Hunters btw. Hard not to love that team.
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That fight was great, though I couldn’t believe that Skorpios kept throwing itself at an almost dead Tombstone. I was almost sure they were going to sabotage themselves.
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Jan 30, 2021 20:29
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I like the part where kraken was biting onto huge while being rolled around
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I really thought huge was going to get burned to death by complete control mk2 but I guess it escaped since the majority of the flame was on the weapon bar aka a solid chunk of metal
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logikv9 posted:I really thought huge was going to get burned to death by complete control mk2 but I guess it escaped since the majority of the flame was on the weapon bar aka a solid chunk of metal Sawblaze's tank rupture and Huge shrugging off the best case scenario for flamethrower contact really seems to underscore just how pointless flamethrowers are. All that weight and space just to make your bot more vulnerable. Still cool, though.
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well the rules say flat out that flamethrowers are primarily there for showmanship\ that said they do count like a primary weapon for the damage category
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Yeah, even when the flamethrower bots get the other guy cornered and go HAM with the fire on what looks like a vulnerable spot, nothing really happens. I can't imagine heat/fireproofing the circuitry, etc. on these things would be very difficult compared to everything else the teams have to do.
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The flamethrowers do seem to melt/disable plastic and rubber tubing used for pneumatic and hydraulic systems from damage reports we've seen before, so there is definitely a use there. But it's ancillary to looking cool. I think Gruff can gently caress a robot up with its actual flamethrowers versus the little butane torches most robots have for what it's worth.
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Yeah, while not common, sometimes a flamethrower does work. I think there was a recent episode where they talk about how kraken lost its air pressure because a hose melted through.
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rarbatrol posted:Yeah, while not common, sometimes a flamethrower does work. I think there was a recent episode where they talk about how kraken lost its air pressure because a hose melted through. Yeah, there was mention of that. I would also say that it might work somewhat on HUGE's wheels if only to make them even more floppy and weaker but there's only been one match that I can recall where they fought a flamethrower and still won.
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I think the big issue with flamethrowers is that most of the rules restrict weapon power to minimize the damage it can do to the battlebox. If you had a flamethrower powerful enough to really gently caress up another bot... it would probably gently caress up the battlebox quite a bit. Although obviously some of the spinner bots still manage to cause damage anyway... although seems like the new floor is holding up really well this season.
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Speaking of the arena, it’s still very weird to me that they’re just flat-out not activating the killsaws this season. Was that ever explained?
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