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galenanorth posted:That's like one of the most basic things I found out about the game from the Wikipedia page regarding the features which each expansion adds. It doesn't spoil anything more than the title of the game Skyrim spoils finding out the name of the setting from an NPC. Weird Or, you know, you open up the ingame map and see entire northwestern corner of it is dedicated to Ishgard eonwe posted:I thought the sprout system in FFXIV was awesome. When I was new, people always knew it and taught me the mechanics. When my sprout went away and I saw sprouts, I started teaching them stuff. Yeah people tend treat sprouts nicely, it's just NN that sucks for unrelated reasons.
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LLSix posted:FFXIV wastes people's time in lots of egregious and obvious ways too. I don't think that can be pointed to as a major differentiating point. Even though they're both fundamentally diku-clones, the above does count for something. Orcs and Ostriches posted:Novice Network has been and always will be a cesspool of every bad idea on the internet, being defended by the most fragile people.
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What's a diku clone? I'm just getting weird articles for Dikut from Star Wars
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Biowarfare posted:What's a diku clone? I'm just getting weird articles for Dikut from Star Wars A type of MUD (text based RPG game for really old people)
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Biowarfare posted:What's a diku clone? I'm just getting weird articles for Dikut from Star Wars A dikuMUD clone, from which most of the MMO genre is descended.
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Biowarfare posted:What's a diku clone? I'm just getting weird articles for Dikut from Star Wars  So yeah, Everquest was very much like DikuMUD but with a 3D engine bolted on (to the extent SOE had to put out a legal statement to confirm that there was actually zero DikuMUD code in EQ), and WoW is "EQ but made by Blizzard" & FFXIV is at least partially "WoW but made by Squeenix" so there's a pretty clear line of descent there.
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Itzena posted:
In their defense, going from a MUD to a 3D MMO is a gigantic amount of work; and transforms every aspect of gameplay including combat -- fundamentally. I played a ton of MUDs back in the day and worked on a couple and enjoyed them but you can't kite in a mud, and group camping wasn't a thing in any mud I played either. But yeah, EQ -> WoW -> FFXIV is a pretty fair lineage. I would say Ultima Online influenced EQ as much or more than DikuMUD.
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I've always considered UO and EQ being the two ways MMOs coulda gone and since WoW chose EQ that's how the whole genre went.
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I want to be a mentor so that I can queue up for mentor roulette and get ramuh ex instead of gil turtle edit: this isn't the ffxiv thread is it blatman fucked around with this message at 08:20 on Jan 30, 2021 |
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Last time I went on a MUD, all six people on the server greeted me, and I immediately left.
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https://massivelyop.com/2021/01/30/report-shines-light-on-mismanagement-bro-culture-and-chasing-trends-at-amazon-game-studios/ its shocking to find out that the company that has reworked New World MMO like 10 times is chasing trends
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What if there will never be another good MMO.
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The article posted:confirmation that initial designs of New World had Native American enemies that were redacted only after the studio hired a tribal consultant to confirm that was offensive; was there anyone who didn't get a sinking feeling immediately upon seeing the aesthetic
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eonwe posted:https://massivelyop.com/2021/01/30/report-shines-light-on-mismanagement-bro-culture-and-chasing-trends-at-amazon-game-studios/ Imagine having all the money in the world to spend on making something cool and new and interesting. Instead, you decide to remake Fortnite and League of Legends...
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It's pretty funny that one of the most successful company on Earth's game division is running at Curt Schilling level. I really don't understand making a MOBA when League and Dota have the market totally locked down down. poo poo you're too late for the battle royal craze let alone that genre. Cardboard Fox posted:What if there will never be another good MMO. There won't be.
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All the good MMOs have been made and the structures perfected-- we just don't like them for what they are. The internet is ubiquitous enough a MMO will never be good, because doing things online was the novelty that made MMOs good. The best an MMO has to offer now is a good/fun gameplay or a good story/setting, but those could also make excellent single player games. Arguably modern WoW would be better as a single player experience, since all the bad/lovely/grindy things are specifically MMO things that could be done away with in favor of a good single player experience, with a sprinkling of group content. Like FFXIV in a lot of ways. But, of course, WoW story is kinda dogshit so that would be hard. jokes fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Jan 31, 2021 |
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jokes posted:All the good MMOs have been made and the structures perfected-- we just don't like them for what they are. The internet is ubiquitous enough a MMO will never be good, because doing things online was the novelty that made MMOs good. The best an MMO has to offer now is a good/fun gameplay or a good story/setting, but those could also make excellent single player games. I didn't mean there couldn't ever be a good MMO again.
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Well, I don't think there ever could be given "the industry" and the history of the genre. There might be MMOs worth playing, but a good MMO is hard to fathom.
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jokes posted:Well, I don't think there ever could be given "the industry" and the history of the genre. There might be MMOs worth playing, but a good MMO is hard to fathom. That's more "won't be" than "couldn't be". It'd be possible to make a good MMO but like you said there won't be due to the market and industry.
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Groovelord Neato posted:That's more "won't be" than "couldn't be". It'd be possible to make a good MMO but like you said there won't be due to the market and industry. I agree; I'm with you. I'm glad there's good opportunities to play old MMOs as they were, like a lovely time capsule. Keeps my nostalgia at bay so I don't start thinking EQ/FFXI/WoW are actually good games.
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there will be good mmos in the future, but they'll mostly be about holodeck sexjokes posted:I agree; I'm with you. but you can't play old MMOs as they were, not really. you're telling me you're going to log onto a modern (even a private, retro) FFXI server and see 8 teams camped out in the desert near selbina?? the sense of population was so important. modern MMOs are all very empty no matter how many people are actually playing, the withered husks of old MMOs are also empty and therefore can't function properly...i mean wow classic is alive right now, but in 5 years it will be with EQ and FFXI on life support we eagerly grasped the opportunity to convert MMO experiences into effectively single-player games when blizzard gave us the chance, and the existence of that streamlined experience killed the genre outright because there aren't enough people who really, truly want to play an MMO to sustain more than a couple of games at best. and half of those people are tied up in eve online Jazerus fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Jan 31, 2021 |
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jokes posted:all the bad/lovely/grindy things are specifically MMO things this development philosophy is also why the genre is on life support
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I’ve rejected modernity and started playing Asheron’s Call again. To even further regress, it’s a Dark Majesty era server.
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eonwe posted:https://massivelyop.com/2021/01/30/report-shines-light-on-mismanagement-bro-culture-and-chasing-trends-at-amazon-game-studios/ Get Jason Schreier on this pronto. oh wait he's the only one who can do this lol We really need more good games journalists doing this kind of work.
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eonwe posted:https://massivelyop.com/2021/01/30/report-shines-light-on-mismanagement-bro-culture-and-chasing-trends-at-amazon-game-studios/  I want to be excited for this game, but there is just so many red flags.
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While the article was critical of Amazon Game Studios in general, there was a bit in there that was positive about the current direction of New World so I guess there is still some small hope.
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Kaysette posted:Get Jason Schreier on this pronto. yeah the actual bloomberg article is by him Its funny, I remember Jason before he became a real games journalist. He was a shitposter on GameFAQs / LUElinks and was trying even then to break in to the industry. Everyone gave him a lot of poo poo, but you know what, he kept with it and he is the only game journalist I actually respect now
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Durendal posted:I’ve rejected modernity and started playing Asheron’s Call again. To even further regress, it’s a Dark Majesty era server. Which server?
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eonwe posted:https://massivelyop.com/2021/01/30/report-shines-light-on-mismanagement-bro-culture-and-chasing-trends-at-amazon-game-studios/ No mention of the new LotR mmo, but I'm guessing that'll also be dropped. Durendal posted:I’ve rejected modernity and started playing Asheron’s Call again. To even further regress, it’s a Dark Majesty era server. I've been meaning to pick AC up again, but so far there's been no concentrated movement to a single server.
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I’d love a new LotR game but I’d also be relieved to hear the Amazon one got canned. After following the New World thread I had no faith in that being good.
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eonwe posted:https://massivelyop.com/2021/01/30/report-shines-light-on-mismanagement-bro-culture-and-chasing-trends-at-amazon-game-studios/ quote:Much of the report seems to suggest that the problems start at the top with Mike Frazzini, the leader of Amazon’s games division, who has yet to make a game and has reportedly frustrated veteran developers with basic takes and an inability to distinguish between gameplay and concept footage. This world is full of hard working talented indie developers who given a budget could do amazing things, and Amazon decides to put someone with zero experience in charge of their entire games department to otank several multi-million dollar projects in a row. Everything is so stupid.
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jokes posted:All the good MMOs have been made and the structures perfected-- we just don't like them for what they are. The internet is ubiquitous enough a MMO will never be good, because doing things online was the novelty that made MMOs good. The best an MMO has to offer now is a good/fun gameplay or a good story/setting, but those could also make excellent single player games. "All the good multiplayer games have been made and the structures perfected -- we just don't like them for what they are. The internet is ubiquitous enough a pvp shooter will never be good, because doing things online was the novelty that made pvp shooters good." Nah man. Video games are art, the problem space is infinitely massive. We'll never run out of new ideas for social games. Kaysette posted:Get Jason Schreier on this pronto. Jason is only good by default because he tries and almost nobody else in gaming does. He's pretty heavily flawed himself.
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I’m playing on the Seedsow server. It takes extra setup since it uses modified .dats Go here https://seedsow.ca to get started.
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If you folks do start playing, my main is Selene. I’ll try to hook you up with some starting stuff.
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Durendal posted:I’m playing on the Seedsow server. It takes extra setup since it uses modified .dats sounds interesting- what is the server population like?
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