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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Mostly very sexist but IIRC there was racism in there too. e: 1975 - A conference of Labour Party members vote against continued membership of the EEC.
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After the BLM protests there was a fair amount of gammon grumbling about how all the old "classic" telly with sus attitudes to race was definitely going to be cancelled because you can't joke about nuffink no more. Did any of that actually happen? Last time I checked the episode of Fawlty Towers with the hard N is still up on Netflix.
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They put a card up at the beginning saying "this episode contains racial language which is indicative of the time and place it was recorded and may offend modern audiences" on the episode that even John Cleese said should probably no longer air uncensored back in 1992. This of course was the worst racist oppression to happen ever.
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Guavanaut posted:They put a card up at the beginning saying "this episode contains racial language which is indicative of the time and place it was recorded and may offend modern audiences" on the episode that even John Cleese said should probably no longer air uncensored back in 1992. I always liked that bit of that episode because (I *assume* deliberately although I'm less certain nowadays with the way Cleese has unleashed his inner gammon) it takes the piss out of that strain of "acceptable racism". Basil is appalled by the Major's casual racism but doesn't challenge it, and is desperately trying to repress his own around the Germans ("Don't mention the war!"), then ten minutes (and a head injury) later is screaming "WHO WON THE BLOODY WAR ANYWAY?" at them. For me it's taking away a lot of the impact of the episode if you remove the Major's bit, and even without the subtext it's very, very clearly meant to be taking the piss out of that type of racism. In fact I always wonder, with that sort of self-censorship, if it's an indicator that the executives actually identify at least a little bit of the content and feel guilty about it.
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Wachter posted:After the BLM protests there was a fair amount of gammon grumbling about how all the old "classic" telly with sus attitudes to race was definitely going to be cancelled because you can't joke about nuffink no more. Did any of that actually happen? Last time I checked the episode of Fawlty Towers with the hard N is still up on Netflix. Channel 4 decided to censor the Inbetweeners by consolidating it onto its own streaming platform and deleting it from the rest of the internet.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Apparently this is A Thing, I forget the actual name of the phenomenon but I remember watching a documentary about it (or rather about the various ways the brain gets confused when doing repetitive tasks - the main thrust was about the use of checklists by pilots to prevent it), and they specifically mentioned the phenomenon of bus drivers starting to drive home or taking a direct route between stops instead of driving the route. On the odd occasion my dad would take me to school instead of mum, he'd frequently forget about me quietly playing pokemans in the back seat while he drove to work (school was on the same first 1/3 of his route to work). This often ended with arguments in the car park of his work place such as;  : "WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY ANYTHING!?" : "I was trying to get a Zapdos..." : "WHAT THE FLAMING HELL IS A ZAPDOS!?"
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I always liked that bit of that episode because (I *assume* deliberately although I'm less certain nowadays with the way Cleese has unleashed his inner gammon) it takes the piss out of that strain of "acceptable racism". Basil is appalled by the Major's casual racism but doesn't challenge it, and is desperately trying to repress his own around the Germans ("Don't mention the war!"), then ten minutes (and a head injury) later is screaming "WHO WON THE BLOODY WAR ANYWAY?" at them. For DVDs and streaming services, yeah, keeping it there and in full is the right thing to do for context, because you don't accidentally go looking for that. It's the people who felt unfairly slighted by the addition of a card saying "this episode contains racial words" who you need to watch out for.
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stev posted:Channel 4 decided to censor the Inbetweeners by consolidating it onto its own streaming platform and deleting it from the rest of the internet. Lmao, funny you mention Inbetweeners, as it's what reminded me of the initial outcry: I recently had someone complain it "wouldn't get made nowadays", immediately after watching an episode on E4, on which it seems to be shown every loving night
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It's always the olds, lol.
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serious gaylord posted:
I think the story is still missing a bit of context that is presumably obvious to you but not actually stated; what is the relation between the planter and the bridge? Did the planter block the bridge? Or were there separate pro-bridge and anti-plant factions who combined to win a vote? Or something else?
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Apparently this is A Thing, I forget the actual name of the phenomenon but I remember watching a documentary about it (or rather about the various ways the brain gets confused when doing repetitive tasks - the main thrust was about the use of checklists by pilots to prevent it), and they specifically mentioned the phenomenon of bus drivers starting to drive home or taking a direct route between stops instead of driving the route. You can enter into an almost semi-conscious state when doing repetitive tasks especially when under stress. The university in Arizona have been doing work on this for decades because every summer in the US a few dozen people drive to work on autopilot and forget they were supposed to drop their kids off at daycare. One poor bastard spent all morning pointing the keyfob from their office window to switch off their alarm. They thought it was being triggered by the intense heat. Even though it was 20 odd years ago reading the reports on those deaths is still one of the most devastatingly heartbreaking things I've ever experienced.
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radmonger posted:I think the story is still missing a bit of context that is presumably obvious to you but not actually stated; what is the relation between the planter and the bridge? The planter blocked the dangerous road under the bridge. (It was obvious to me!)
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If you changed the town council to like, the Galactic Council, and kept everything else, it could easily slot into a Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy book
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Pistol_Pete posted:It's always the olds, lol. I assume it's how firmly your mouth is clamped over the media carbon monoxide exhaust. It's hosed up how media basically pushes these viewpoints then also publishes polls on how much the points are being absorbed like a serial killer returning to the scene to say wow that's crazy
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goddamnedtwisto posted:In what way? I mean other than "lowest common denominator, hated by critics but loved by a significant proportion of the population"? I've not watched a lot of Mrs Brown's Boys but I'm fairly sure none of the cast goes "Phwoooar" at a female bus conductor, or for that matter anyone in On The Buses had protracted cross-purpose arguments which is about half of the content of an MBB episode. the gay couple wear scarves and mince and prance about the set and they inadvertently make innuendos about fisting each other and that
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SOPHIE is dead.  Sudden accident, no further details.
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radmonger posted:I think the story is still missing a bit of context that is presumably obvious to you but not actually stated; what is the relation between the planter and the bridge? Yes the planter blocked the tunnel under the railway bridge. You can see it in the photo.
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Guavanaut posted:SOPHIE is dead. Oh that loving sucks, she was extremely cool and made good music.
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Guavanaut posted:SOPHIE is dead. Lame.
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No gods no masters etc, but, Sophie was my loving muse and inspiration. I'm devastated today
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Has anyone got a link to that video of a trader throwing a wobbly after the reddit thing? I can't find it. Ed: found it Ed2 - apparently it's an old video and not of this week's events. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGPBwGN-qsA Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Jan 30, 2021 |
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Has anyone got a link to that video of a trader throwing a wobbly after the reddit thing? I can't find it. Industry makes it all look so much more cinematic.
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crispix posted:the gay couple wear scarves and mince and prance about the set and they inadvertently make innuendos about fisting each other and that Right, but that wasn't really a thing in On The Buses (I'm sure, given it was a 70s sitcom, there might have been a "look at the poofs" episode). Like I say, the only real similarity is that they're both very much lowbrow. If you wanted a modern equivalent to On The Buses it's that loving terrible Lucas/Walliams airline thing, except they did it with utter contempt for the characters, and if you wanted a 70s equivalent of Mrs Browns Boys there's any amount of "big family of idiots with one "sensible" parent" shows you could go for. Come to think of it, a *lot* of comedy of the last two decades has already aged *worse* than those kind of broad 70s sitcoms - obviously poo poo like Love Thy Neighbour is irredeemable, but On The Buses looks pretty good compared to League of Gentlemen or Little Britain.
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Maybe the best test of whether something is irredeemably racist or just of its era is what the people represented within later go and do with it. Like Mind Your Language was definitely a bit problematic, but if it was irredeemable it wouldn't have a cult following in East Asia and remakes of the same premise in a ton of countries (unsurprisingly mostly Commonwealth; India, Malaysia, and Kenya have all done versions, but I think Japan and some others had a go too), whereas I don't think anywhere is in a hurry to do Little Britain in Penang.
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A lot of 00s and 10s comedy was really mean-spirited and bad taste under the cover of being provocative until they forget why they were even doing that.
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serious gaylord posted:Yes the planter blocked the tunnel under the railway bridge. You can see it in the photo. Yeah I didn't even notice the planter in the bridge picture so I thought you were talking about some planter in a park somewhere and was waiting for the story to come back round to why the bridge was relevant, lol Serves me right for reading on a phone I guess!
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Inbetweeners isn't even that old. What's the outcry over it? It's a pretty accurate demonstration of teenage boys of that (my) generation. They still show Dads Army with all the "Fuzzy Wuzzy" jokes from Jones.
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Ewan posted:Inbetweeners isn't even that old. What's the outcry over it? It's a pretty accurate demonstration of teenage boys of that (my) generation. i think its just there was a lot of gross sex talk stuff thats looked down on now more than it was in 2008? 
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JollyBoyJohn posted:i think its just there was a lot of gross sex talk stuff thats looked down on now more than it was in 2008? Yeah, as Ewan said- a pretty good representation of teenaged boys. :p
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It probably would be different if it were made today - I doubt even shithead teenagers would say half they stuff they do these days (which they very much did in the late 2000s). It definitely wouldn't be quite so straight faced or lighthearted about it. stev fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Jan 30, 2021 |
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I'm sure teenaged boys have their own different weird poo poo they chat about nowdays, just as the 00s was not the 90s but some things remain constant since graffiti found in caves.
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We've been playing some games online with my fiance's 14 and 15 year old cousins (and their friends) I can tell you that they are exactly as edgy and poo poo as my friends and I were in the 00s. They're definitely more accepting of LGBTQ+ issues but calling each other gay etc. is still sadly too common.
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isnt the 'friends' bit them mocking a disabled kid? its probably using it to show how awful the kids are but a lot of the people decomissioning shows are really bad at telling the difference
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Bobby Deluxe posted:isnt the 'friends' bit them mocking a disabled kid? its probably using it to show how awful the kids are but a lot of the people decomissioning shows are really bad at telling the difference Unless I'm grossly misremembering that they're just mocking the idea of a boy having a friend rather than a mate.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:isnt the 'friends' bit them mocking a disabled kid? i have no idea why you think this, its just them making fun of one of the group of 4 calling someone else a mate
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Bobby Deluxe posted:isnt the 'friends' bit them mocking a disabled kid? its probably using it to show how awful the kids are but a lot of the people decomissioning shows are really bad at telling the difference I have my school mates that I have known since I was four. In my teens, I was v good friends with another guy who didn't go to our school (his house backed onto mine). My friends would mock me for having this other "friend", to the point where I eventually became embarrassed and slowly drifted away. It is stupid and makes zero sense whatsoever, but they got it right.
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It's pack nature in essence. You will never get rid of the built in necessity of the human mentality of pack ordering and such. There will always being internal posturing to be alpha or whatever, here in the form of putting each other down with joke insults or such.
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