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https://zona.media/online/2021/01/23/navalny-msk-spb#38591 This page is being updated, with the current link showing the start of Julia Navalny
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 18:35 |
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# ? May 14, 2024 14:10 |
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Its good to be back home. Been a mess
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 19:36 |
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https://twitter.com/alexskryll/status/1353046115491471360 Holy poo poo this dude https://twitter.com/gorozhanin_spb/status/1353006270073204742 Cops being cops fatherboxx fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Jan 23, 2021 |
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Erulisse posted:Its good to be back home. Been a mess So, a trip report. It's been strangely and uniquely fun being there, "socialising" in a wierd way, even along with ex-proputinists that understood what the gently caress is happening. Lots of cheerful conversations, chanting. Unification. On the other hand, battling rosgvardia it dawned that this is not it, this is not an end and nothing will happen. The regime is really so strong and has so many laws that contradict constitution that only european human rights court can judge correctly but russian doesnt. I was eagerly waiting for something like that since coolzone in usa started but this is too disheartening honestly. Its like, literally battling against impossible odds. This didn't make us step down but we knew, people were chatting but still had hopes. Technically russia can announce that these "violent" protests (police violence but semantics) were against the law and during pandemic. Okay, yes but Constitution chapter 31, fuckers. Also lol pandemic doesn't stop duma (and also death of deputat Vaha Agaev who "voted" after his death for a few laws) from doing its dirty job. And police issues fines based on federal laws not constitution. Yes, the world knows. So what? Sanctions? Pfft they don't care, there are a lot of freeports around the world and boy these fuckers have money. Our money. We need more, we need a revolution. We need hanging as much as Belarus needs it. We need death sentences brought back as China does it. We will keep fighting. Furthermore, my ukranian friends commented on that. It hurt but it was true. Not many stood up in russia for what was happening in Ukraine. But I still believe that we are one with all slav countries. We are together and strong and we will endure. Belarus, Ukraine, Russia. We are in this together, finally. edit: reflecting a bit about ukraine. Yeah we had our "official" lines divided but as people we should stand strong together. We as nation failed our brothers many times because we were scared. Too many of our citizens are brainwashed that ukraine, belarus, even next city is not a friend. drat, if I got my babushka to finally believe in what is happening, in what actually her beloved idiot putler is, than we can and will be together. We are stronger together and should support each other in any good or bad that is or going to happen. ps Yakutsk are drat heroes, - 53celsius and these fuckers went out on the streets. Heroes. pps people were passing email address to financially help with fines but its on my wrecked phone, please post if anyone has it. ppps my arm hurts Erulisse fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Jan 23, 2021 |
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Thank you for that report. I totally agree with you on the semantics. Things are not going to happen incrementally
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 22:30 |
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Putin today in one of his "public" q&as said it wasnt his palace, what was the direct evidence navalny presented that it was?
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# ? Jan 25, 2021 14:02 |
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There isn't any direct evidence.
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# ? Jan 25, 2021 14:06 |
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The palace just happens to be in a no-flight zone and guarded by federal security, while all financial records point to Putin's close friends and relatives. Even if Putin has no intention to live there, and Navalny might have overplayed that angle in the video, the evidence of gross corruption is absolutely there.
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# ? Jan 25, 2021 14:23 |
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Vasukhani posted:Putin today in one of his "public" q&as said it wasnt his palace, what was the direct evidence navalny presented that it was? Well, he said that neither he nor his immediate family owns the palace Which is exactly what Navalny has said and which is expected - it is legally owned by someone else, just as with any other corrupt official in Russia
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# ? Jan 25, 2021 14:25 |
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Vasukhani posted:Putin today in one of his "public" q&as said it wasnt his palace, what was the direct evidence navalny presented that it was?
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# ? Jan 25, 2021 14:26 |
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Anne Frank Funk posted:There isn't any direct evidence. There was never any direct evidence besides everyone in the country knowing who owns this place since ~2010.
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# ? Jan 25, 2021 14:28 |
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Budzilla posted:There is never evidence tying Putin to the palace (or many other schemes) but in the video of the palace various points about the no fly zone (only reserved for nuclear reactors and military bases), boats having to avoid the palace coast line by 1 mile and FSB leased area that directly hugs most of the palace grounds makes it look like someone with multiple connections in Russian government has a hand in this. If the video has 75+ million views Putin should at least give a decent answer. Yeah I guess that is a pretty non-answer when he should have said who tf owns it if not him
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# ? Jan 25, 2021 14:50 |
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I don't own the property, some third party shell company based in another country owns it. It's amazing how being filthy rich affords you the luxury of owning nothing.
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# ? Jan 25, 2021 14:56 |
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Apparently it's a pretty common asset laundering trick. Yanukovych had a similar deal with his mansion in Ukraine. It's a weird way of hiding how much money you stole/embezzled/got bribed by. https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2018/10/05/654769859/episode-868-moneyland Guy wrote a book on how much of the financial industry (and even certain governments) are dedicated to do no-questions-asked anonymous banking and asset laundering, and how so many of those services are regularly used by murderers and dictators and whatever in addition to just the normal wealthy scum who don't wanna pay taxes. https://www.amazon.com/Moneyland-Inside-Story-Crooks-Kleptocrats/dp/125020870X
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SlothfulCobra posted:Guy wrote a book on how much of the financial industry (and even certain governments) are dedicated to do no-questions-asked anonymous banking and asset laundering, and how so many of those services are regularly used by murderers and dictators and whatever in addition to just the normal wealthy scum who don't wanna pay taxes. Like, 'pick your mistress up from the airport take her to her favorite boutique hotel we booked for her and make sure her favorite flowers are waiting in the suite while never forgetting your wife's (who's also in town) birthday and making sure the twain never cross paths' levels of service.
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# ? Jan 27, 2021 20:11 |
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The last investigation by Bellingcat and The Insider dropped and it's remarkable that the secret services are targeting not just federal level and internationally connected challengers like Nemtsov or Navalny, but also regional-level barely known independent journalists or young politicians even if they're connected to a puppet party I saw tankies posting that you shouldn't support Navalny because supposedly he is going to give everything to the oligarchs and wants to destroy Russia and if you want change you should join/start a leftist movement, but it's a really demotivating situation for political activism in Russia if besides lack of fair courts, made up charges and an incredibly brutal prison system you also have to deal with government death squads https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/01/27/navalnys-alleged-fsb-poisoners-linked-to-deaths-of-journalists-activists-investigation-a72757 quote:An elite Russian chemical weapons squad that tailed opposition leader Alexei Navalny for years before allegedly poisoning him with Novichok was involved with at least three other killings, according to a joint investigation published Wednesday.
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# ? Jan 28, 2021 16:08 |
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We've more on the way, and it's arguably worse, and given their travels it looks like these are just a fraction of their operations.
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# ? Jan 28, 2021 20:53 |
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Brown Moses posted:We've more on the way, and it's arguably worse, and given their travels it looks like these are just a fraction of their operations.
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# ? Jan 29, 2021 07:14 |
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Nitrox posted:is it possible to flag other operatives by watching who is in close proximity of this bunch? That's basically what we've been doing, looking at the phone records records to see which numbers they call, then using various methods to ID who the numbers belong to. Those methods could be a simple Google search, searching for phone numbers on the various leaked databases we've gathered, looking them up on Russian phone directory apps, and other methods. Once we've done that we have a sense of which numbers are likely unimportant (wives, girlfriends, and mothers usually), and those that are of interest. Then we look into those numbers' phone records, and do the same process as well as looking for numbers that appear in different phone records, which indicates teams of people calling each other. Then once we establish some names we can work getting enough info to look them up on travel databases, and see who travels together. That includes people we've ID'd, but also other passengers who travel with those people on multiple occasions, often revealing other agents we've not been aware of, or agents we've identified that are now travelling under false identities.
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# ? Jan 29, 2021 09:15 |
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Another Russian news site got footage from inside Putin's Palace, which, as Navalny said, is currently being totally renovated due to major mold and design issues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBcWdHe8j_g
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# ? Jan 29, 2021 11:01 |
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Good to know Grover is now a successful contractor in Russia practicing the science of EVROREMONT
fatherboxx fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Jan 29, 2021 |
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quote:We've more on the way, and it's arguably worse, and given their travels it looks like these are just a fraction of their operations. I thought I saw Dobrokhotov or Grozev tweet hinting that one of the targets was a bellingcat/the insider related journo. I can't find it and doubting my memory now but in any case stay safe and thanks for the the good work you do
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# ? Jan 29, 2021 14:19 |
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Brown Moses posted:Another Russian news site got footage from inside Putin's Palace, which, as Navalny said, is currently being totally renovated due to major mold and design issues Maybe there was no mold and it's just an excuse to give a remodeling contract to someone as a favor...or just plain old embezzlement and triple charging for drywall.
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# ? Jan 29, 2021 17:20 |
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French Canadian posted:Maybe there was no mold and it's just an excuse to give a remodeling contract to someone as a favor...or just plain old embezzlement and triple charging for drywall. Doing that to Putin would not be a smart move.
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# ? Jan 30, 2021 03:17 |
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Xerxes17 posted:Doing that to Putin would not be a smart move. Putin owns the contractors, and borrows the house.
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# ? Jan 30, 2021 11:01 |
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Zudgemud posted:Putin owns the contractors, and borrows the house. Well I was going with the assumption that this is in fact his house.
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# ? Jan 30, 2021 11:35 |
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Erulisse posted:So, a trip report. Well, good luck! I don't know about Russia situation much, to offer anything particular to say, however from technical side - learn protest logistics and coordination of said logistics. This is something we had to learn after august events. When you are out for hours, people are gonna need water, they will need food, probably hot beverages now in winter. When there are 10s of thousands, shops will not handle it at the same time. Sometimes its a better idea to buy a shitton of water, drive to the protest and give it out to people, if you coordinate with other volunteers it will be more efficient. Another thing is fines - some people will not march for various reasons but will happily donate money, other people want to march but are so poor that fear for their family well being but will go if they know that a solidarity fund will cover their fines or a lawyer. General solidarity is very important, helping out each other in various ways is a powerful force especially in big cities where everybody is a stranger to one another. For instance we now have real neighbour communities that do poo poo together while previously barely said hi to each other. Like maybe you have an artist in your building who will happily paint a mural with some help from neighbours etc.
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# ? Jan 30, 2021 14:10 |
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Some interesting videos from the many cities having protests today so far. The government locked down the whole Moscow center so that the protesters couldn't amass at the FSB headquarters as originally planned. People getting detained. Interestingly the former head of an elite Berkut unit that fled Ukraine is again seen doing his magic in Moscow https://mobile.twitter.com/just_whatever/status/1355807698294616069 https://mobile.twitter.com/INechepurenko/status/1355804369090994178 https://mobile.twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1355811065716727808 https://mobile.twitter.com/HannaLiubakova/status/1355831153824043008 https://mobile.twitter.com/souffrantmitte1/status/1355819352554156038 https://mobile.twitter.com/znak_com/status/1355751757180235778 https://mobile.twitter.com/olachesare/status/1355816520505556993 https://mobile.twitter.com/znak_com/status/1355786650358607873
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# ? Jan 31, 2021 12:03 |
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I am too radical for that. We need violence towards pigs, seriously. They know they are untouchables and nothing ever will happen to them. They are not scared, they are having fun beating and torturing. This is sad, i am dumber than median goon and socially inept so only way I can see this poo poo resolving is either we give up and putler will "harden the leash", giving even more power to police and natsgvardiya (nats sounds like nazi sad haha here) because they will not go away freely, nor him nor his friends; or the whole country breaks into full scale civil war. I left early because I can't take it anymore, I'm so angry I almost lost control. Beyond that is the sad part about people who either lived through 90s or heard about them from their friends and family and are somehow scared that the bandit times of 90s will come back (no, they do not respond why we can't move forward, they are dead set that 90s will be back at the moment putler is dismissed) or think that there is no one to take over instead of putler. Like, if he jails every politician who doesn't agree, how there will be? It's a shitshow without clear end. I'm beyond my regular depression. Also a bit more personal, I have like almost no friends left but two. Found out most of them are (all while disliking the current government!) either "who if not putler"/"I want peace so gently caress off even losing freedoms"/"don't care about politics and politicians, they all suck".
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# ? Jan 31, 2021 16:03 |
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https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/feb/01/we-are-bellingcat-by-eliot-higgins-review-the-reinvention-of-reporting-for-the-internet-age Brown Moses levels up... again!
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# ? Feb 1, 2021 10:09 |
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It's good to see all these protests happening but I do not have high hopes that they will lead to better outcomes for Russian citizens. They will probably be cracked down on and they will fizzle out and Putin will give more power to the Rosgvardia.
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# ? Feb 1, 2021 12:27 |
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4000 people arrested this past weekend and now his wife is in custody. Hearing Russians in Moscow chant long live Belarus shows an awareness of their own predicament, however.
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# ? Feb 1, 2021 12:33 |
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Doctor Malaver posted:https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/feb/01/we-are-bellingcat-by-eliot-higgins-review-the-reinvention-of-reporting-for-the-internet-age It's a very well written article, and does a very good job at explaining the basics of what citizen journalism actually is
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# ? Feb 1, 2021 13:47 |
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Erulisse posted:I am too radical for that. We need violence towards pigs, seriously. They know they are untouchables and nothing ever will happen to them. They are not scared, they are having fun beating and torturing. Well, this is pretty much exactly what Belarus is or was. I know Russians don't like this idea but I felt for a long time that Belarus seems eerily like a proving grounds for more unpopular or repressive laws, Luka does some poo poo, skip forward a few years and Kremlin also does something similar. Things seem to start accelerating lately with 2 systems becoming more alike.
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# ? Feb 1, 2021 14:20 |
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Erulisse posted:I am too radical for that. We need violence towards pigs, seriously. They know they are untouchables and nothing ever will happen to them. They are not scared, they are having fun beating and torturing. Hey, I understand, most people in eastern europe are apathetic and don't want to rock the boat unless it gets REALLY bad, especially in a country where you can be jailed for a tweet or retweet. The oligarch class is not going to budge without a fight, but they're out-of-touch senile gopniks, their time is coming to an end and a new generation is there to try and build something better. At worst, let's outlive the evil bunker grandpa. And again a message of support from Bernie https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/1356271580599508995
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https://twitter.com/XSovietNews/status/1356550344717795329
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https://twitter.com/RFERL/status/1356654610300166146 https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/status/1356656024858611714
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https://twitter.com/XSovietNews/status/1356688865801756672
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# ? Feb 2, 2021 20:40 |
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Glad to see this thread is no longer about the Ukrainian 1488 guy sharing his opinions. I live not far from where the Moscow protests are happening. Been hearing screams, chanting and police sirens all evening. I guess I should go protest with the others.
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Cool to see you back. Please don't get beat up and or arrested.
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