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Warbird
May 23, 2012

America's Favorite Dumbass

Sagebrush posted:

what does the constitution have to say about airplanes exactly

“Barrel rolls are sick as gently caress yo.”
Truly the founding fathers were luminaries of their time.

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Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

EvenWorseOpinions posted:

It seems relevant to briefly talk about my former coworker from Louisiana who claimed that Texas was going to secede 'any day now' and it totally could and would succeed and lead the south to a glorious future free from liberal tyranny and the Rothschilds because it had 'an air force' and 'missiles'

I wish people who don't live in Texas would stop declaring that we are going to secede.

EvenWorseOpinions
Jun 10, 2017
I don't think your wish will succeed



Warbird posted:

“Barrel rolls are sick as gently caress yo.”
Truly the founding fathers were luminaries of their time.

HookedOnChthonics
Dec 5, 2015

Profoundly dull


you know whats cool

magnus effect, thats whats cool





vvv 2 solo cups and a no 175 rubber band can do about as good as that

HookedOnChthonics fucked around with this message at 08:25 on Feb 3, 2021

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6geOms33Dk

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Western Australia has some fires going on, here are some tracking of the fire fighting planes:

Large air tankers Bomber 132 (C130 N132CG) and Bomber 210 (737 N138CG)

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

e.pilot posted:

yes, it’s dumb because of other traffic and just generally doing something unexpected

Absolutely.

The thing about the Draco crash that really stuck out to me is that it’s loving Draco, one of the highest performance heavyweight STOL airplanes in the world. There is precisely zero reason to attempt a takeoff in any other direction than into the wind, given its superb short field abilities. Patey made a real dumb decision and admits it, but how in the actual gently caress did he decide that a crosswind takeoff on pavement was a good idea in the first place? That’s just stacking the deck against yourself.

dupersaurus
Aug 1, 2012

Futurism was an art movement where dudes were all 'CARS ARE COOL AND THE PAST IS FOR CHUMPS. LET'S DRAW SOME CARS.'

ImplicitAssembler posted:

Ok, what does the constitution say about air rights?

Charles posted:

They don't believe the constitution grants congress the power to create agencies like the FAA, etc. They're trying to break down the sentences into modern literal English or something, it's stupid beyond comprehension.

Seriously, though, it's a topic more fit for D&D than here, but like many crackpot things there's at least a small nugget of thought behind it. Going back to hundreds if not thousands of years of legal traditional, if you owned land, you owned the airspace above it if not to infinity at least up to space, but SCOTUS squashed that in the 40s; you still have some right to it, but only dozens of feet above what you use or have built up. It also brings in the far-out-but-not-that-far notion that the entire administrative state is unconstitutional because Congress can't delegate law-making power to the executive (watch for some fun action on that front in SCOTUS in the coming years)

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
Ouch: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/39047/air-force-says-kc-46-is-a-lemon-that-its-trying-to-make-lemonade-out-of

Xakura
Jan 10, 2019

A safety-conscious little mouse!

It's so loving funny that Airbus' A330 MRTT exists, and won the initial contract.

Lightbulb Out
Apr 28, 2006

slack jawed yokel

Xakura posted:

It's so loving funny that Airbus' A330 MRTT exists, and won the initial contract.

How have they hosed it up this bad after having two other successful tankers? The mind boggles.

Xenoborg
Mar 10, 2007

Lightbulb Out posted:

How have they hosed it up this bad after having two other successful tankers? The mind boggles.

40 and 65 years ago. Thats plenty of time to forget how to build an airplane.

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

Lightbulb Out posted:

How have they hosed it up this bad after having two other successful tankers? The mind boggles.

Stares in 787 rollout and ongoing Max8 problems

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

I understand that you can trace a ton of the problems at Boeing to the moment they decided to move their headquarters to Chicago and have the company run by MBAs instead of engineers

brains
May 12, 2004

Lightbulb Out posted:

How have they hosed it up this bad after having two other successful tankers? The mind boggles.

it really is astonishing considering the KC-767 has been operational for over 15 years now. how they can go from fielded, working design to a boom that has category 1 deficiencies with hookup boggles the mind.

in a well actually
Jan 26, 2011

dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme

Sagebrush posted:

I understand that you can trace a ton of the problems at Boeing to the moment they decided to move their headquarters to Chicago and have the company run by MBAs instead of engineers

The McDonnell Douglas acquisition brought that culture in.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

brains posted:

it really is astonishing considering the KC-767 has been operational for over 15 years now. how they can go from fielded, working design to a boom that has category 1 deficiencies with hookup boggles the mind.

I also fail to see how any minute operational advantage that might be gained by using the Remote Vision System is worth the enormous expense associated with its development problems.

Its a serious "The Russians use a window" kind of thing.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

MrYenko posted:

I also fail to see how any minute operational advantage that might be gained by using the Remote Vision System is worth the enormous expense associated with its development problems.

Its a serious "The Russians use a window" kind of thing.

Cutting a giant hole in the middle of a fuselage is actually a pretty big deal engineering wise. That’s probably why the Russians use drogue and probe

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

dupersaurus posted:

iirc federal airspace control is an illegal taking of air rights over your private property

My air rights extend over my property out to infinity. During the course of the day my property rights sweep across entire galaxies.

edit: Property rights move faster than the speed of light! Something, something information.

Murgos fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Feb 3, 2021

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
And the hits just keep on comin': https://onemileatatime.com/boeing-lost-777x-orders/

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye


This is some A400 levels of embarrassment.

This is some unique Boeing level failure. Good thing "nobody is different", otherwise I'd say that whole philosophy poo poo the bed then kept sleeping in that bed for five or six years:

https://www.businessinsider.com/boeing-737-max-loses-orders-negative-2019-2020-1

Nebakenezzer fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Feb 3, 2021

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008


quote:

This doesn’t sound good. Not for Boeing, and not for passengers who want a superior passenger experience.

I suspect there might be some bias here. :thunk:

Oh well, I’ll just fly on Delta’s shiny new airbuses if I ever get on an airplane again.

ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013

I love when people equate airplane brand with 'passenger' experiemce..like the 2 were remotely related.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

For the interested: Airfix has made model kits based off of Top Gun (I guess this is from the new movie?).

Including "the MiG"

Jester's A-4

Maverick's F-18

Maverick's....P-51?

babyeatingpsychopath
Oct 28, 2000
Forum Veteran


ImplicitAssembler posted:

I love when people equate airplane brand with 'passenger' experiemce..like the 2 were remotely related.

If that were the case, everyone would love antonov and ilushin because they fly with a sea level cabin altitude.

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

ImplicitAssembler posted:

I love when people equate airplane brand with 'passenger' experiemce..like the 2 were remotely related.

If I'm boarding a McDonnell Douglas in 2021+, I know I'm in for a bad time.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Safety Dance posted:

If I'm boarding a McDonnell Douglas in 2021+, I know I'm in for a bad time.

Delta retired the -88 and -90 a couple months into covid. 717s are better than the CRJ/ERJ that’d otherwise be used on those routes. Are any other MD planes still out there?

babyeatingpsychopath
Oct 28, 2000
Forum Veteran


hobbesmaster posted:

Delta retired the -88 and -90 a couple months into covid. 717s are better than the CRJ/ERJ that’d otherwise be used on those routes. Are any other MD planes still out there?

Something something F-15.

I'd GLADLY step into an F-15E.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

babyeatingpsychopath posted:

Something something F-15.

I'd GLADLY step into an F-15E.

F-15X just had first flight.



Weird to see dazzle camo making a comeback though.

marumaru
May 20, 2013



Phanatic posted:

F-15X just had first flight.

Weird to see dazzle camo making a comeback though.

weird? do you mean awesome?

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

marumaru posted:

weird? do you mean awesome?

It can be two things!

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

Phanatic posted:

F-15X just had first flight.



Weird to see dazzle camo making a comeback though.

We were [light green percentage] successful in communicating paint codes to subcontractors this quarter!

Actually that's a really cool concept, but it needs a more artistic distribution of light green panels to make it work.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Last time I went on a 717 there was a guy in handcuffs on it.

Plastic_Gargoyle
Aug 3, 2007

Phanatic posted:

F-15X just had first flight.



Weird to see dazzle camo making a comeback though.

F-15EX

Because AF procurement is apparently now run by (I assume) MBA'd morons who can neither use sequential numbering or alphabetical lettering. See also "F-16V."

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
F-15EX just set canada’s fighter procurement back 15 years, dammit!

(I know, Boeing is a nonstarter)

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

priznat posted:

F-15EX just set canada’s fighter procurement back 15 years, dammit!

(I know, Boeing is a nonstarter)

They should’ve duck taped sidewinders to a CRJ when they were still Canadian.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD

Murgos posted:

My air rights extend over my property out to infinity. During the course of the day my property rights sweep across entire galaxies.

I finally understand how quasars work.

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

priznat posted:

F-15EX just set canada’s fighter procurement back 15 years, dammit!

(I know, Boeing is a nonstarter)

F-Max15

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

hobbesmaster posted:

They should’ve duck taped sidewinders to a CRJ when they were still Canadian.

Viking Air makes new build Twin Otters still I think so that is the obvious solution :canada:

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Warbird
May 23, 2012

America's Favorite Dumbass

hobbesmaster posted:

They should’ve duck taped sidewinders to a CRJ when they were still Canadian.

Weird, I always just assumed they used E M O T I O N as their means of offense.

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