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I may be stating the obvious here but 'searching for a replacement for Manchin' isn't an actual strategy but is simply a shot across the bow to him to fall in line.
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And more importantly, it wasn't some special quality of Ossoff or Warnock that won the Georgia Senate races—it was Fair Fight and other voting rights orgs and activists that put in the time and effort to organize and fight for expanded voter access. If the Dems are going to win going forward, they need to stop focusing on donations for individual candidates and instead spread money around to state and regional level organizations that can support long-term electoral success.
This. A lot of people just pay attention to the Presidential races and ignore local ones, especially before 2016. This has to change if Dems want to break GOP strangleholds on districts that can turn State Legislatures and entire states blue. Basically do what the Tea Party did in 2010.
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I may be stating the obvious here but 'searching for a replacement for Manchin' isn't an actual strategy but is simply a shot across the bow to him to fall in line.
how is "if you come any closer i will kick myself in the balls" an effective shot across the bow
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This. A lot of people just pay attention to the Presidential races and ignore local ones, especially before 2016. This has to change if Dems want to break GOP strangleholds on districts that can turn State Legislatures and entire states blue. Basically do what the Tea Party did in 2010.
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Lots of good number in this piece on the demographics of the Capitol insurrectionists (pasted for paywall). Surprisingly few were members of militias, and private-jet-real-estate lady was actually pretty representative. It kinda reads like a cross section of attendees at a Trump rally, or of Trump voters: largely white, middle-aged and well-off.
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The Capitol Rioters Aren’t Like Other Extremists
We analyzed 193 people arrested in connection with the January 6 riot—and found a new kind of American radicalism.
FEBRUARY 2, 2021
Robert A. Pape
Political-science professor at the University of Chicago
Keven Ruby
Senior research associate of the Chicago Project on Security and Threats
On January 6, a mob of about 800 stormed the U.S. Capitol in support of former President Donald Trump, and many people made quick assumptions regarding who the insurrectionists were. Because a number of the rioters prominently displayed symbols of right-wing militias, for instance, some experts called for a crackdown on such groups. Violence organized and carried out by far-right militant organizations is disturbing, but it at least falls into a category familiar to law enforcement and the general public. However, a closer look at the people suspected of taking part in the Capitol riot suggests a different and potentially far more dangerous problem: a new kind of violent mass movement in which more “normal” Trump supporters—middle-class and, in many cases, middle-aged people without obvious ties to the far right—joined with extremists in an attempt to overturn a presidential election.
To understand the events of January 6 and devise solutions to prevent their recurrence, Americans need a fine-grained comprehension of who attacked the Capitol. Understanding the ideology and beliefs of those who commit political violence is important, but so is knowing what kind of people they are and what their lives are like.
For the past decade and a half, our research team at the Chicago Project on Security and Threats has conducted demographic studies of international and domestic terrorists. Four years ago, our study of 112 people who U.S. authorities suspected were involved with the Islamic State undercut a widespread assumption that supporters of the group were uneducated, isolated, and unemployed.
In recent weeks, our team of more than 20 researchers has been reviewing court documents and media coverage for information on the demographics, socioeconomic traits, and militant-group affiliations (if any) of everyone arrested by the FBI, Capitol Police, and Washington, D.C., police for offenses related to the January 6 insurrection. As of late last week, 235 people fell into that category, and the number is expected to grow.
Of these suspects, 193 have been charged with being inside the Capitol building or with breaking through barriers to enter the Capitol grounds. We focused our research on these 193. We compared our findings on these suspected insurrectionists with demographic data that we had previously compiled on the 108 individuals arrested by the FBI and local law-enforcement agencies around the country for violence related to right-wing political causes from 2015 to 2020. We used the same methodology to analyze both groups: Our team reviewed all court documents related to each arrest—which include criminal complaints, statement of facts, and affidavits—and conducted searches of media coverage of each arrestee. Four findings stand out.
First, the attack on the Capitol was unmistakably an act of political violence, not merely an exercise in vandalism or trespassing amid a disorderly protest that had spiraled out of control. The overwhelming reason for action, cited again and again in court documents, was that arrestees were following Trump’s orders to keep Congress from certifying Joe Biden as the presidential-election winner. Dozens of arrestees, court records indicate, made statements explaining their intentions in detail on social media or in interviews with the FBI. “I am incredibly proud to be a patriot today,” wrote a 37-year-old man from Beverly Hills, California, “to stand up tall in defense of liberty & the Constitution, to support Trump & #MAGAforever, & to send the message: WE ARE NEVER CONCEDING A STOLEN ELECTION.”
Second, a large majority of suspects in the Capitol riot have no connection to existing far-right militias, white-nationalist gangs, or other established violent organizations. We erred on the side of inclusion; we counted an arrestee as affiliated with such an organization if any court documents or news articles describe the person as a member, refer to social-media posts expressing an affinity for a certain group, or attest to patches or apparel that directly indicate support.
By these standards, 20 of the Capitol arrestees we studied— one-tenth—can be classified as supporters of gangs, militias, or militia-like groups such as the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, and Three Percenters. The role that such groups played in the riot has attracted considerable news coverage. But 89 percent of the arrestees have no apparent affiliation with any known militant organization.
Connections were far more common among the suspected right-wing extremists arrested after incidents of deadly violence from 2015 to 2020. Of these, 26 percent were members of white-nationalist gangs (including skinhead groups and the Aryan Brotherhood), and 22 percent were part of militias and other organized groups (such as the Oath Keepers and Three Percenters).
Third, the demographic profile of the suspected Capitol rioters is different from that of past right-wing extremists. The average age of the arrestees we studied is 40. Two-thirds are 35 or older, and 40 percent are business owners or hold white-collar jobs. Unlike the stereotypical extremist, many of the alleged participants in the Capitol riot have a lot to lose. They work as CEOs, shop owners, doctors, lawyers, IT specialists, and accountants. Strikingly, court documents indicate that only 9 percent are unemployed. Of the earlier far-right-extremist suspects we studied, 61 percent were under 35, 25 percent were unemployed, and almost none worked in white-collar occupations.
A graph of Capitol arrestees' age.
Fourth, most of the insurrectionists do not come from deep-red strongholds. People familiar with America’s political geography might imagine the Capitol rioters as having marinated in places where they are unlikely to encounter anyone from the opposite side of the political spectrum. Yet of those arrested for their role in the Capitol riot, more than half came from counties that Biden won; one-sixth came from counties that Trump won with less than 60 percent of the vote.
A graph of Capitol arrestees and where they are from.
Is there something special about counties that produced the suspected insurrectionists? Remarkably, no. We found that 39 percent of suspected insurrectionists came from battleground counties, where Trump received 40 to 60 percent of the vote; 12 percent came from counties where less than 60 percent of the population is white. In these and many other ways, the mix of counties from which the arrestees hailed was typical of all American counties.
Importantly, our statistics show that the larger the absolute number of Trump voters in a county—regardless of whether he won it—the more likely it was to be home to a Capitol arrestee. Big metropolitan centers where Biden won overwhelmingly, such as the counties that include New York City, San Francisco, and Dallas, still have hundreds of thousands of Trump supporters. A third of suspected insurrectionists come from such counties; another quarter come from suburban counties of large metro areas. This breakdown mirrors the American population as a whole—and that is the point. If you presumed that only the reddest parts of America produce potential insurrectionists, you would be incorrect.
The information that our team analyzed has certain limits. While we studied only people whose alleged behavior triggered an arrest by law enforcement, different police agencies have different standards for when to act. Moreover, the arrests of suspected right-wing extremists as long ago as 2015 might lead to a years-long paper trail that includes evidence of militia or gang affiliations; in contrast, those arrested since January 6 might have affiliations not yet known to investigators. Even so, the court documents about the January 6 insurrection come from FBI, Capitol Police, and D.C. police agents who routinely identify group affiliations of arrested individuals. In fact, it is one of their primary concerns.
What’s clear is that the Capitol riot revealed a new force in American politics—not merely a mix of right-wing organizations, but a broader mass political movement that has violence at its core and draws strength even from places where Trump supporters are in the minority. Preventing further violence from this movement will require a deeper understanding of its activities and participants, and the two of us do not claim to know which political tactics might ultimately prove helpful. But Americans who believe in democratic norms should be wary of pat solutions. Some of the standard methods of countering violent extremism—such as promoting employment or waiting patiently for participants to mellow with age—probably won’t mollify middle-aged, middle-class insurrectionists. And simply targeting better-established far-right organizations will not prevent people like the Capitol rioters from trying to exercise power by force.
ROBERT A. PAPE, a political-science professor at the University of Chicago, is director of the Chicago Project on Security and Threats.
KEVEN RUBY is a senior research associate of the Chicago Project on Security and Threats at the University of Chicago
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Lots of good number in this piece on the demographics of the Capitol insurrectionists (pasted for paywall). Surprisingly few were members of militias, and private-jet-real-estate lady was actually pretty representative. It kinda reads like a cross section of attendees at a Trump rally, or of Trump voters: largely white, middle-aged and well-off.
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how is "if you come any closer i will kick myself in the balls" an effective shot across the bow
Pick, you are my favorite D&D poster, please never retire from posting
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1. Don't anoint a challenger before the primary has even started. McGrath got a ton of attention and money to challenge McConnell mostly because she declared early, and that momentum ended up carrying her in the primary over a much stronger candidate in Charles Booker. Booker almost certainly wouldn't have won, but it's very, very likely he would have done a hell of a lot better at motivating Kentucky's democratic base as opposed to McGrath, who seemed mainly focused on (nonexistent, as it turned out) crossover votes.
I like Booker and voted for him, but the problem is that Kentucky's Democratic base is dead, often in a very literal sense: the Dixiecrats died of old age and their children vote Republican. It's easy to take swipes at McGrath for trying to appeal to Trump voters, but Trump got 62% of the votes in the state: it is mathematically impossible to win a statewide election in KY without support from Trump voters. She took the only viable path available to her.
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Kentucky was ground zero for voters benefiting heavily from the medicaid expansion, voting to remove it, and then becoming suddenly shocked that it was in jeopardy. Someone like Beshear from an old political family can pull together enough voters for a state-level race focused on labor issues and social programs, but those same voters will gleefully burn the world for whatever Messiah is anointed by Fox News during a federal race.
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Kentucky was ground zero for voters benefiting heavily from the medicaid expansion, voting to remove it, and then becoming suddenly shocked that it was in jeopardy.
Speaking of states loving up federal benefits, does anyone know if the extended/increased UEI money this round will be left up to the states to implement? Because last spring when the extra $600/month thing or whatever it was never took place in FL since Desantis and Scott are dicks and just went "gently caress it", opened everything and made it a Covid hot spot.
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Have some Number:
https://twitter.com/PatrickSvitek/status/1356995422850547714
Has there been a more self-destructive political act in the 21st century than Beto's 2020 campaign for president?
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I'd say McCain choosing Palin as his running mate is up there.
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Does Giuliani's 2008 campaign count?
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Otoh his run and dropout is how Biden got his campaign manager.
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They call that a spitroast
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What then would be a good strategy for the FBI to pursue in tracking potential seditionists down? Would they, for instance, go the informant route?
Talk to their coworkers neighbors and relatives is more like it.
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Paula Jean Swearengin, 2020.
I donated to her a couple of times because I felt like she was going to need help and I needed to put my money where my mouth was regarding the 50 state strategy. I kept getting calls from her recorded auto-dialer as a result. Her e-mails would talk about needing more money for TV and radio ads and things like that due to West Virginia being a less developed state.
I'd love to know what the post-mortem on her campaign was. It just seemed like they were really struggling and I'm not sure if that was down to her campaign or just a decayed party infrastructure in unfriendly territory.
If only the damage was limited to Beto's own career.
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Numbers from February 1 on Biden policies:
quote:When asked about the 20 policies that define President Biden’s agenda, more Americans support than oppose all 20 of them, according to a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll.
The margins are decisive. The majority of Biden’s proposals garner at least twice as much support as opposition. Nearly half are favored by more than 60 percent of Americans.
The survey of 1,516 U.S. adults, which was conducted from Jan. 20 to Jan. 21, comes at a time when partisan divisions in Washington are driving a fierce debate over the size and scope of Biden’s COVID-19 rescue package. On Monday, the president is set to meet with a group of 10 Republican senators who want to slash his $1.9 trillion plan to secure their backing in Congress.
But despite the distance between politicians on Capitol Hill, the Yahoo News/YouGov poll shows that ordinary Americans overwhelmingly favor most of Biden’s agenda — particularly his plan to end a pandemic that has killed more than 440,000.
Of all 20 policies covered by the poll, the two most popular were the ones at the center of Biden’s current COVID proposal: $2,000 relief checks (74 percent favor vs. 13 percent oppose) and increased federal funding for vaccination (69 percent favor vs. 17 percent oppose). A full 58 percent of Americans also support raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour, another key element of Biden’s COVID-19 rescue package. That’s almost twice the share of Americans (31 percent) who oppose a wage hike. Nearly identical numbers favor (57 percent) and oppose (32 percent) a national mask mandate.
In contrast, the $600 billion Republican plan floated Monday would shrink relief checks by $400 and deliver them to fewer Americans. It would also keep the federal minimum wage at $7.25 an hour.
A full 59 percent of Americans agree with the president that the pandemic should be his top priority. The next closest issue was the economic recovery, at 24 percent.
After calling in his inaugural address for an end to America’s “uncivil war,” Biden also appears to be finding common ground with his constituents on the economy, health care, climate change, immigration and criminal justice. Two-thirds of Americans (65 percent) favor “more federal funding for research and development to assist domestic manufacturing” and “investing in renewable energy infrastructure,” the core planks of Biden’s separate COVID-19 recovery package, which he hopes to advance later this year. Opposition is negligible, at 13 percent and 17 percent, respectively.
More than 60 percent of Americans — the equivalent of a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate — also support “stopping family separation at the U.S.-Mexico border” (64 percent to 20 percent); “creating a pathway to citizenship for young immigrants brought to the U.S. illegally as children” (61 percent to 23 percent); and “enacting comprehensive criminal-justice reform” (63 percent to 12 percent).
And half or more Americans favor “cutting carbon emissions to zero by the year 2050” (54 percent to. 23 percent); “rejoining the World Health Organization” (57 percent to 28 percent); “giving all Americans the option of buying Medicare-like public health insurance” (57 percent to 22 percent); and “providing more federal funding for community policing measures” (51 percent to 21 percent); and “reversing the recent tax cuts for Americans making more than $400,000” (50 percent to 30 percent).
Meanwhile, opposition to most of the rest of Biden’s agenda stalls out below 35 percent, including “rejoining the Paris Climate Accords” (48 percent to 30 percent); “reversing the recent tax cut for corporations” (45 percent to 32 percent); and “eliminating tuition at public colleges and universities for families making up to $125,000” (47 percent to 33 percent).
The only Biden policies that received nearly as much opposition as support were “halting construction on the border wall with Mexico” (45 percent to 42 percent) and “ending the ban on travelers from Muslim-majority countries” (42 percent to 35 percent) — perhaps because they were also the two policies most closely identified with former President Donald Trump, triggering the usual partisan resistance.
In that sense, America’s divisions have hardly healed. By a better than two-to-one margin, more Americans believe Joe Biden won the 2020 election “fair and square” (57 percent) than believe “the election was rigged and stolen from Trump” (27 percent), with 16 percent unsure. Yet 68 percent of Trump voters still believe in the false notion that the election was stolen.
Similarly, Americans are united in revulsion toward the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, with 81 percent saying it was not justified, versus just 8 percent who say it was. More than 9 in 10 Americans said the attack made them feel “angry,” “ashamed” or “fearful.” The attack came after Trump headlined a nearby rally urging supporters to “fight” in the name of his false election fraud claims. Five people were killed, including a Capitol Police officer.
But when asked about Trump’s responsibility for the attack or his upcoming Senate impeachment trial over the incident, Americans split roughly 50-40, suggesting that views about the former president remain as polarized as ever. Specifically:
49 percent of Americans agree that Trump incited his supporters to attack the Capitol, while 39 percent disagree
51 percent approve of the House voting to impeach him, while 39 percent disagree
48 percent want the Senate to convict him, while 41 percent do not
53 percent want the Senate to bar him from holding future office, while 38 percent do not
48 percent want to “hold Trump accountable for his role in the attack,” while 40 percent “want to put the attack behind us”
In each case, Republicans and Democrats responded along party lines in their support or opposition to Trump — though larger majorities endorsed Twitter’s decision to ban Trump (54 percent to 37 percent) as well as Republican Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s remark that “the mob” was “provoked by the president” (53 percent to 35 percent).
One silver lining, however — and perhaps another patch of common ground — is a widening sense of patriotism among the public. In a July Yahoo News/YouGov survey, just 61 percent of Americans described themselves as “patriotic”; today that number is up to 69 percent. And while only slightly fewer Republicans feel patriotic now (84 percent) than in July (88 percent), patriotism among Democrats has risen 12 percentage points (from 56 percent to 68 percent) in the wake of Biden’s inauguration.
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The Yahoo News survey was conducted by YouGov using a nationally representative sample
of 1,516 U.S. adults interviewed online from Jan. 20 to 21, 2020. This sample was weighted according to gender, age, race and education based on the American Community Survey, conducted by the U.S. Bureau of the Census, as well as 2016 and 2020 Presidential votes (or non vote), registration status, geographic region and urbanicity. Respondents were selected from YouGov’s opt-in panel to be representative of all U.S adults. The margin of error is approximately 2.7 percent.
https://news.yahoo.com/yahoo-news-y...-203645597.html
I didn't bother bolding the stuff about Trump and Jan 6 because tbh it's nothing new and just continues the exact same pattern we've seen in polling ever since about Republicans continuing to support Trump's stolen election narrative.
imo this is evidence that the Democrats, if they want to go hard on Biden's agenda, could build up some substantial goodwill. That said, I think the Dems are already shooting themselves in the foot by not going for full $2k checks, since that's by far the most popular thing in this poll by an absurd 74-13 margin, so who knows if they'll actually manage to get any of these other popular policies done in a way that would satisfy the public.
e: crosstabs available here: https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/02/02/yahoo-joe-biden-policy-proposals-poll
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The topic of how the check amount is phrased, which should also be clarified from the standpoint of this poll, has its own thread, as it has been shown to derail other threads. For that conversation, I recommend that thread.
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Huge, huge strategic whiff by the Trumpy house republicans. Massive unforced error.
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Huge, huge strategic whiff by the Trumpy house republicans. Massive unforced error.
How? This barely feels like anything.
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How? This barely feels like anything.
a secret ballot that showed they are asses to everyone that they're hostage to trump and his loons but cant escape but are also cowards
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How? This barely feels like anything.
They tried to flex their muscles and instead showed that they're impotent.
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I feel like this is one of those things that will erode the support Republicans have among the crazies and is more likely to result in more extreme political moves to purge the ranks.
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I feel like this is one of those things that will erode the support Republicans have among the crazies and is more likely to result in more extreme political moves to purge the ranks.
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Don't you tell me my business again.
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a secret ballot that showed they are asses to everyone that they're hostage to trump and his loons but cant escape but are also cowards
Exactly. If they had to put their names on those votes, that result would look a lot different.
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I feel like this is one of those things that will erode the support Republicans have among the crazies and is more likely to result in more extreme political moves to purge the ranks.
The rare lose-lose, Republicans are on a loving roll these days. This is like watching an interview where the interviewee is blinking S-O-S into the camera
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How? This barely feels like anything.
I agree it won't be anything but you had Matt Gaetz on the radio yesterday saying that they had the votes to remove Liz Cheney and House leadership wouldn't let them vote so it makes him look like an idiot liar. But so does everything else he does and that seems to have had no effect yet.
Does make you wonder what the impeachment vote in the House would've looked like as a secret ballot though. Maybe it'd be worth it to let the Senate convict on a secret ballot, if that's permissible. There isn't a world in which Marco Rubio votes to convict unless no one can prove he did.
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I agree it won't be anything but you had Matt Gaetz on the radio yesterday saying that they had the votes to remove Liz Cheney and House leadership wouldn't let them vote so it makes him look like an idiot liar. But so does everything else he does and that seems to have had no effect yet.
Does make you wonder what the impeachment vote in the House would've looked like as a secret ballot though. Maybe it'd be worth it to let the Senate convict on a secret ballot, if that's permissible. There isn't a world in which Marco Rubio votes to convict unless no one can prove he did.
Picturing a future where, in a secret ballot vote, the Senate convicts Trump 98-2 and then all 50 GOP senators spend the next decade shouting that they were one of the two votes for exoneration.
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Anonymous congress votes sound like literally the worst thing for a representative democracy humanly possible
Picturing a future where, in a secret ballot vote, the Senate convicts Trump 98-2 and then all 50 GOP senators spend the next decade shouting that they were one of the two votes for exoneration.
Now imagine this for something worthwhile
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Picturing a future where, in a secret ballot vote, the Senate convicts Trump 98-2 and then all 50 GOP senators spend the next decade shouting that they were one of the two votes for exoneration.
I imagine they would collude so that it’s like a 62-38 conviction and they all have enough cover to lie
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Picturing a future where, in a secret ballot vote, the Senate convicts Trump 98-2 and then all 50 GOP senators spend the next decade shouting that they were one of the two votes for exoneration.
I could see Pelosi and Schumer doing this for some minor resolutions or questions just to see how it shakes out.
If you could set a narrative where it's been established that if you vote in secret for things Trump doesn't like you get 2/3rds of the Rs voting for it then that would severely weaken the power of the Trumpists to intimidate the rest of the party.
If the congress people can see that they actually have broad support for telling the trumpists to gently caress off they might be more inclined to do it.
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I agree it won't be anything but you had Matt Gaetz on the radio yesterday saying that they had the votes to remove Liz Cheney and House leadership wouldn't let them vote so it makes him look like an idiot liar. But so does everything else he does and that seems to have had no effect yet.
It doesn't matter how this makes Gaetz look since everyone already knows he's an idiot. What matters is that the Trumpists tried to shoot the hostage and very publicly showed everyone their gun wasn't loaded. No one within the establishment is going to take them seriously if they can't effect any change.
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