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stev posted:Out of interest what sort of stuff has Burgon said that hasn't gone down well? I've only recently seen him speaking about the Manchester tier nonsense and he came across really well in that. He made comments including the Z word which makes him an automatic target. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47952275) (Worse, he denied making them then of course someone digs out the video where he does.) (He also refused to sign the BoD pledges when he stood for deputy leader which endeared him to me more.) Anyone on the left is going to get savaged. I think she'd have more support from other MPs than Diane Abbott has had. (Bell Ribeiro-Addy another new MP seems to back her up a lot online). Page snipe: In 1980 I was 20. I remember sitting in the Mysore Arms in Clapham Junction with my then boyfriend watching gobsmacked as the SAS did Operation Nimrod to end the Iranian Embassy Siege on the pub tv. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p4DmuGyehc Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Feb 4, 2021 |
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stev posted:Out of interest what sort of stuff has Burgon said that hasn't gone down well? I've only recently seen him speaking about the Manchester tier nonsense and he came across really well in that. Eh, who loving cares at this point? The press are not our friends and will never be our friends, and we really don't have an alternative to taking them head-on these days.
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Even if Labour accidentally allowed another good leader to get elected I wouldn’t be in any rush to get excited again unless some serious purges happen. We already know how deep the rot goes and that a good leader will just get hobbled from within.
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Burgon's just a bit of a gurner, big adult son vibes, you know. Politically he's bang on the money and yeah, good music too. Probably been the most vocal "zero covid strategy" voice in the PLP for the past while. Definitely one for a big cabinet role in future but can't quite see him as leader. Female leader would be great but I'm not sure who. RLB ain't it. Too soon for Sultana. Butler would be good but last place in the deputy election last year doesn't make me hopeful. It's Clive for me, Clive.
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Darth Walrus posted:Eh, who loving cares at this point? The press are not our friends and will never be our friends, and we really don't have an alternative to taking them head-on these days. Absolutely this. The only people the press will say nice words about are already on the side of the oligarchs who own the press. Anyone worthwhile will get savaged by the press and we just have to accept that because the press are the enemy.
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I stan the little old lady going "Idgaf I just trundle along at 4mph". Want that to be me when I'm older. e; Also lmao at the bloke who thinks he spent ten years in The War. Even if he was there from the Marco Polo Bridge Incident to the Japanese Instrument of Surrender being signed on the Missouri that's not ten years. Ms Adequate fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Feb 4, 2021 |
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Feb 4, 2021 01:25
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My labour membership is in arrears. But they haven't noticed as it was a year long one. If a leadership election comes up can I just reup to vote for a good lefty if there is one?
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I'm hoping down the road Claudia Webbe gets into the leadership. I followed her on Twitter when she got in to see how bad she'd be but she's bang on with drat near everything I see her post. Socialist, constantly posting good things about important issues, and she's the only MP I can think of who said this about Captain Sir Tom "United Kingdom" "Two World Wars And One World Cup" Moore: https://twitter.com/ClaudiaWebbe/status/1357036379167940609 i.e. actually saying that he shouldn't have needed to raise one red cent for the NHS. Given that she's the one who replaced Keith
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John McDonnell leadership challenge yes please It's really saddening to me that the tories have a floor of 40%. I really hope it's stupidity and ignorance for most of their voters rather than malice. I know I don't exactly move in the same circles as tories generally but I can count the number of conservatives I know on one hand, and you don't get numbers like that without a lot of support from fairly normal not posh weirdo people. People are often self interested but it is honestly incredible to me that anyone can see this clown show and tick the 'yes, more of this' box especially when the vast majority are directly suffering because of current government policy! Try the other guys even if you're not totally convinced at this point because what are they going to cock up worse? Might as well let them have a go. I may be being naive here but even if taxes would go up a bit I choose to believe that most people would be happy to lose a few quid a year to have better funded public services and schools and transport and healthcare and all the rest. Even from a purely selfish perspective, wouldn't the most obnoxious be happy to walk around clean, safe cities with nice parks and no trash lying everywhere or dilapidated buildings or homeless people begging? The price of a big night out for these guys once a year and they get all that. It's a bargain surely???
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Yes but then people they don't like would also get to enjoy those things and gently caress that
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ThomasPaine posted:John McDonnell leadership challenge yes please From my extremely limited sample size of one I think it is a combination of assuming all those things will be fine without tax rises, that they won't need those things (what kind of pleb uses a bus?) and a general belief that taxes just disappear into a hole and will never be used to do anything, combined with a general hatred of paying taxes. Just imagine the most antisocial and self centered outlook you can possible muster combined with absolute disdain for the entire concept of things like welfare or public services (because they never use anything they would identify as a public service)
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ThomasPaine posted:Even from a purely selfish perspective, wouldn't the most obnoxious be happy to walk around clean, safe cities with nice parks and no trash lying everywhere or dilapidated buildings or homeless people begging? The price of a big night out for these guys once a year and they get all that. I'm pretty convinced that - for that seemingly unbreakable 30-40% floor at least - this: Tarnop posted:Yes but then people they don't like would also get to enjoy those things and gently caress that is the answer. They don't care about how good their life is, only that it's better than someone elses. Even if their life gets worse, as long as someone is affected even more that's OK. The problem with even vaguely lefty (or even one nation-y conservative) solutions to things is that they benefit everyone and make better things available to more people. It's the old "would you rather everyone has £100,000 or you have £50,000 while everyone else has £40,000" question - a chunk of people not only choose the second option but their brain wiring just doesn't accept any possible reason why anyone wouldn't.
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big scary monsters posted:I guess if all the nurses and doctors worked for free the NHS would have a lot more spare cash too.  don't give them ideasBut yeah the research funding attitude is basically burning through underpaid staff because there is a long line of overqualified people who'd sell their kidneys to have a shot at getting hired.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Forget who is the most electable, who would be the funniest Labour leader? Tony 2 would be pretty good I think
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BalloonFish posted:- The gammon who only speaks in WW2 references which he's convinced is deep wisdom that only he understands ("We had a bloke with a little moustache like that - his name was Chamberlain")  (Man with actual small mustache pictured for comparison.)
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Communist Thoughts posted:Forget who is the most electable, who would be the funniest Labour leader? Corbs to see the melts.
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Apraxin posted:Even apart from him doing 10 years in the War when the rest of the country only did 6, this guy does a serious disservice to Neville Chamberlain's luxurious mustache: this is when I realise I've never seen a picture of Neville Chamberlain before
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ThomasPaine posted:John McDonnell leadership challenge yes please in my experience a lot of people just don't think about politics. they respond to potential leaders on an emotional level: are they strong, are they confident, do they like what I like when politics comes up it's superficial hot button stuff, hence why "culture war" is a thing. you don't actually have to know any facts to get mad about toilets, prison sentences or banning Christmas
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Keith is getting rinsed pretty hard for the flag shagging it seems: https://twitter.com/DurstApologist/status/1357085141978480640
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It's really got up people's noses 'cos it encapsulates everything that's wrong with his leadership.
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I also don't understand it because it fundamentally wouldnt work. If theres one thing designed to wind people up its saying 'We're waving flags now because we hear racist people like you love flags'.
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Yeah, the Left hate it 'cos it's trying to fight battles and move the party onto obvious right-wing ground; the Right hate it 'cos it's so condescendingly inauthentic. The Centre don't seem too pleased either, 'cos it highlights unpleasantly Starmers complete lack of policies or direction. It's got something for everyone!
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Gort posted:Absolutely this. The only people the press will say nice words about are already on the side of the oligarchs who own the press. Anyone worthwhile will get savaged by the press and we just have to accept that because the press are the enemy. Understanding that the press are the enemy doesn’t lead to the conclusion that you want an incompetent general to organize the fight against them.
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I'm 50/50 split on whether the first coup comes before or after they get wrecked in may
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Good illustration of flag-bumming in the news today: Climate scientists tell the government that opening a new coal mine in Cumbria would be a "humiliation" & lead to the UK being "reviled". Johnson responds that actually the UK is "world beating" in climate regulation (we're still opening the coal mine tho lol). That's how invoking patriotism works in politics, you do it to justify refusing to make any changes for the better because what are you, a communist?
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DesperateDan posted:I'm 50/50 split on whether the first coup comes before or after they get wrecked in may There can't be any coup in the offing right now: we'd have seen at least some speculation in the papers about possible successors, as stuff got leaked to journalists. If Labour make substantial losses in the May elections (as they likely will) and Starmer is unable to make a more vigorous appeal to the electorate in the aftermath (does anyone expect vigour from Starmer at this point), then I'd expect to see the sharks begin to circle.
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Genuinely why are we opening a coal mine. Is it profitable? How have we ended up at a political moment where the Tories are pressing for the reopening of coal mines.
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I expect potential coups to come after May as well, the left doesn't currently have the power and the melts have invested so much into Keeth that I expect there's some mental block to accepting they were wrong. Better to see if they're wrong and sensible centrist Kieth can actually do it. Plus nobody really wants to risk having the fight now and having to get their ducks in a row and dealing with factionalism going into May because it'd likely undermine any prospect of gains and lead to them, in turn, rapidly getting the boot. E; Plus whilst the left has been sour on Starmer from the start his broader decline is relatively more recent, and I think still needs to pick up steam before contenders can push for a leadership challenge. Momentum (lol) is building, but I think it's still at the point where the relevant party mechanisms would dismiss it as a bunch of goons on Twitter. Ms Adequate fucked around with this message at 09:46 on Feb 4, 2021 |
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peanut- posted:Genuinely why are we opening a coal mine. Is it profitable? Owning the libs is more important now.
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I've only just stopped paying my dues and now I'm going to have to start again in case there's a leadership election.
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I think it's more from the right that much of a challenge would come, the leaked report is pretty much buried now and they have quietly gotten their assorted racist bullies, fraudsters and saboteurs of anti-semitism inquiries back into the party- but their pet ambulatory haircut has gotten nowhere in a year and is now taking a kicking in the press It being a poo poo time to mount a coup never stopped them trying it before (useful to weaken the opponent) and 3 months is a very long time in politics right now
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https://www.gumtree.com/p/property-...65cK8sJYV2Oge94 TBH this isn't the most ridiculous London property I've ever seen (although the lack of reference to a bathroom makes me suspicious) but even so, £370 a week for a "flat" too small even for a traditional Murphy bed, instead relying on the bed moving down on what looks like a garage door track and then being supported by the sofa and "kitchen table" is certainly an example of the free market innovation we all know and love.
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quote:and a general belief that taxes just disappear into a hole and will never be used to do anything Don't they? So much money goes into their pockets or the pockets of the mates and the companies getting rewarded for failing and so on. It's been noted here after all that 'they' are terrible with everything, and I imagine many people are like, 'both sides are awful, vote whoever'. So they fall back on probably who they voted for last time or whatever. Not so much 'gently caress the poor' or even 'gently caress everyone', just this long, drawn out, sighing 'fuuuucccckkkkkk'. I'm not sure how to energize people, but that's the first and always the challenge-to get people out of the 'fuuuuccccck' zone. I mean, people are vaguely aware that politicians will say anything and might make some speeches, but will they actually DO anything(That they can see/hear/feel happening)? Everyone's isolated from the rulers and don't feel like anything's really changing. I'm not sure if I'm painting my own views on 'everyone' here. Bloodly fucked around with this message at 10:23 on Feb 4, 2021 |
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Starmer has never been the person to lead Labor into the next election, he's always been a dull as ditchwater contender to show labor has broken from Corbin and to wait our some of the time of this election cycle. Someone else is waiting in the wings, trying to get a bit closer before taking power. We all know the electorate has the memories of a goldfish - if the election was this year, things would be different, but we're four years out from an election, and by then the pandemic will be a distant memory (that we will most likely be looking back at fondly, this being hellworld. )
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peanut- posted:Genuinely why are we opening a coal mine. Is it profitable? It's for coking coal, which is even more intriguing because that's about the lowest profit margin on coal you can get (you need a shitload of energy, plus expensive scrubbers, to turn coal into coke and it leaves a shitload of extravagantly toxic residue and there's just not that big a market for coke in western Europe any more). I'm deeply suspicious that this is the beginning of a process of "removing red tape" so we can become the China of Europe by just not giving a poo poo about pollution.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:https://www.gumtree.com/p/property-...65cK8sJYV2Oge94 I mean it won't be let. It's clearly listed by someone who doesn't know what has happened to London rents in the last year, though it would have been wildly overpriced before that. You can look on Rightmove and there's perfectly fine one bedroom flats in exactly the same place listed for the same or less than that.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:https://www.gumtree.com/p/property-...65cK8sJYV2Oge94 You can see a shower in one of the later photos, but that's a pocket sized space and a half.
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has anyone had any luck buying glasses online? My frames are hosed and in an attempt at fixing them I manage to gently caress them even more by getting superglue on the lenses. I've got my prescription but it doesn't have my "pupillary distance" (how close together/far apart my eyes are) and I don't want to go into an opticians if they're even open because the idea of having someone get that close to my face is loving terrifying.
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I bought my last pair (about 8 years ago) from some service where you select 5 pairs, they send you all of the frames to try and then you send them back and tell them if you want to buy any of them. It was good and painless, everything came packaged so that you just put it in a post box to return the frames. Glasses Direct I think it was?
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Grey Hunter posted:the pandemic will be a distant memory (that we will most likely be looking back at fondly, this being hellworld. ) "Stop moaning, we* survived a pandemic, and we didn't complain** and just got on with things***" * "well we all did, didn't we? Look, here we all are, talking" ** complained constantly *** changed my twitter av to a smiley face and did my best to help the virus win peanut- posted:Genuinely why are we opening a coal mine. Is it profitable? Climate scientists: opening a new coal mine in Cumbria would be a "humiliation" & lead to the UK being "reviled" Boris Johnson: 
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