Pick posted:They're not. They're just signaling how big their tent is. It's just united by one thing. I mean, why even hold the vote? And letting MTG off when she’s about to get booted anyways seems like the wrong move. It’s very unlike them, nothing they’re doing right now is going to endear anyone but their base. They’re doubling down on an already bad strategy.
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Mafic Rhyolite posted:The implication is that people who do care are focusing on the entirely wrong things in a politician. He's right by the way, worrying about whether or not elected representatives wasted a certain amount of time in a school system designed to give people PTSD and teach them a bunch of stuff they're never going to use for the rest of their life is pretty silly. As an HS teacher let me just start by saying "  aroo" and state that I have never endeavored to give my students PTSD, and things like Critical Thinking and functions of government are absolutely things people should use every day
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i am a moron posted:Oh, what, now we’re going to pretend like our school systems aren’t secretly PTSD factories? What’s happening to these forums you could just moderate your position to "the US school system is really lovely and needs a ton of help" and save the argument but i'm betting that won't happen Also "secretly"? No it's open and that's every school in the world.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah. i am curious what form the reemergence will take. i am guessing fox or OANN. Wasn't he supposed to be on Hannity the other night?
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i am a moron posted:I mean, why even hold the vote? And letting MTG off when she’s about to get booted anyways seems like the wrong move. It’s very unlike them, nothing they’re doing right now is going to endear anyone but their base. They’re doubling down on an already bad strategy. To the extent that they're lost it's because they're realizing no one wants what they used to sell. They were the "closest option". They're realizing that their base actually did want the dumb gently caress culture war poo poo entirely. If anything, it was a concession to pair that with big business.
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Can anyone tell me why McCarthy even allowed a loving vote to oust Liz Cheney from her position if he wanted her to stay anyway? Is Kevin incapable of even like trying to pretend he has control of his Caucus? His "Both Sides" brain just broke?
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evilweasel posted:this is absolutely nutty poo poo that i would expect to hear out of jim jordan, except replacing ptsd with something he understood slightly better (like molesting children) American education is actually bad, sorry. There are other places in the world that do it better but America is very very far from being anything close to what anyone should think of as "good" in almost every category.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah but this just proved the trumpists dont have the power within the House party to punish his enemies. which means if the GOP really wants to pull the trigger on MTG or trump, they could probably survive it. Yeah, for sure. I think its probably similar to the party the Tea Party had. There were enough of them to cause real problems for the "moderates" and gum up the works, and in turn they were able to influence the moderates farther right and more importantly the moderates were terrified of their voters. But Greene isn't the new head of the party. She's a problem as they all are and the GOP has to decide if catering to them is worse than trying to purge them. But it sure seems like they just tried to punish the moderate and protect the crazy. It just didn't work.
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Mafic Rhyolite posted:American education is actually bad, sorry. There are other places in the world that do it better but America is very very far from being anything close to what anyone should think of as "good" in almost every category. Do you have anything to back that up or are you just posting your hottest takes in here tonight?
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Jaxyon posted:you could just moderate your position to "the US school system is really lovely and needs a ton of help" and save the argument but i'm betting that won't happen Someone posted that we design them to give people PTSD. I’m not making any value statements on quality. TulliusCicero posted:Can anyone tell me why McCarthy even allowed a loving vote to oust Liz Cheney from her position if he wanted her to stay anyway? I’m really not following this either it seems insanely stupid. Pick posted:To the extent that they're lost it's because they're realizing no one wants what they used to sell. They were the "closest option". They're realizing that their base actually did want the dumb gently caress culture war poo poo entirely. If anything, it was a concession to pair that with big business. I’m not 100% sure I follow you - tactically I think these are all bad moves that does nothing to move the needle for them.
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Mafic Rhyolite posted:American education is actually bad, sorry. There are other places in the world that do it better but America is very very far from being anything close to what anyone should think of as "good" in almost every category. "American education is bad" is not the same as "American education is explicitly designed to destroy you as a person"
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The Cheney vote was a secret ballot because they're all cowards. I doubt it would have been that big if it meant people get primaried for voting against Trump
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Mafic Rhyolite posted:American education is actually bad, sorry. There are other places in the world that do it better but America is very very far from being anything close to what anyone should think of as "good" in almost every category. Do you have any actual examples or arguments of this, or are you going to without evidence put down the work millions of teachers do in this country every day to try to make the world a little better, and compare it to emotionally traumatizing children? And if you are going off of test scores  do I have some fun facts for you about who China uses for their test score populationLike yeah the American public education system has problems (like how we fund it, the legacy of systemic racism, standardized tests) but the reason the GOP hates it so much is because it's fairly effective at educating students and helping them avoid indoctrination by the GOP. Now if you want to call out higher education issues or charter/ private homeschool poo poo mounds, be my guest.
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TulliusCicero posted:Can anyone tell me why McCarthy even allowed a loving vote to oust Liz Cheney from her position if he wanted her to stay anyway? I think "The Republican Party is confused" is a good take at this point. The GOP congressional delegation has more nutters and fewer actual leaders than ever.
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Pakled posted:Assuming Trump doesn't fade into irrelevance in the next two years, I bet every Republican who voted to impeach Trump gets primaried in 2022. Probably. A few were aware that voting to impeach was a suicide pill.
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TulliusCicero posted:Can anyone tell me why McCarthy even allowed a loving vote to oust Liz Cheney from her position if he wanted her to stay anyway? McConnell is pretty bad at getting senate Republicans to do things besides tax cuts and judges, but he can mostly keep his caucus in line. McCarthy is minority leader by default because someone called him a "young gun" a decade ago and nobody else is willing to take the job. He can't actually do anything. I think the house Republican caucus is just ungovernable.
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i am a moron posted:Someone posted that we design them to give people PTSD. I’m not making any value statements on quality. Sodomy Hussein posted:I think "The Republican Party is confused" is a good take at this point. The GOP congressional delegation has more nutters and fewer actual leaders than ever. This is just a loving black eye for no reason though. The Trump wing is now pissed at the party, McCarthy looks weak as gently caress and the GOP in shambles, and the Dems get a free delicious talking point for the next cycle that a good portion of the psycho GOP wanted to oust one of their only leaders that openly spoke out against a loving coup incited by the former unpopular President, RIGHT before his impeachment for said coup just a loving tactical and strategic disaster for absolutely no gain. It's like walking into a rake and deciding you wanted to see if you step on it again, without it hitting you this time.Mitch is probably furious 
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James Garfield posted:I think the house Republican caucus is just ungovernable. This is the correct answer. The inmates are a plurality of the asylum staff at this point.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The United States' own intelligence assessment has downgraded it to a "Flawed Democracy" smoked by uruguay
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Harlock posted:The Cheney vote was a secret ballot because they're all cowards. I doubt it would have been that big if it meant people get primaried for voting against Trump Hah, smart move by Cheney. She knew that id it was secret the crazies wouldn't win.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The United States' own intelligence assessment has downgraded it to a "Flawed Democracy" what did france and italy do
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The United States' own intelligence assessment has downgraded it to a "Flawed Democracy" The Global Democracy Index is from the The Economist, which is a UK based media company. It's not a US based intelligence assessment as funny as that would be. Also it's good to see that the qanon group is very loud but not necessarily the majority of the Republican Party...yet.
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i am a moron posted:It’s very unlike them, nothing they’re doing right now is going to endear anyone but their base. They’re doubling down on an already bad strategy.
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TulliusCicero posted:Do you have any actual examples or arguments of this, or are you going to without evidence put down the work millions of teachers do in this country every day to try to make the world a little better, and compare it to emotionally traumatizing children? Yeah all those teachers from "inspirational" (read: dystopian) stories where they have to get a second or third job in order to provide the basic needs for educating their classes are not the people who get any real say in the overall structure of the system, it seems kind of absurd to me to even act like they have any real power in the systemic issues of American education at all. And no obviously test scores are irrelevant and fake, I'm more talking about all those times that everyone you know has woken up in a cold sweat only to realize that they've been done school for years and are not actually failing or forgetting some ridiculous poo poo that they've been told a thousand times will ruin their lives if they don't do it right. It feels like a pretty privileged position that a lot of people are coming from here, I honestly didn't expect to get much pushback for saying that the American education system is a broken harmful nightmare. It doesn't matter how many of the people in it are trying to do a good job if the job they're doing is in a broken institution.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:what did france and italy do Italy kept their Trump is power for ages.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:what did france and italy do Decrease in pluralism and increase in dysfunctional/unstable legislatures.
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Mafic Rhyolite posted:Yeah all those teachers from "inspirational" (read: dystopian) stories where they have to get a second or third job in order to provide the basic needs for educating their classes are not the people who get any real say in the overall structure of the system, it seems kind of absurd to me to even act like they have any real power in the systemic issues of American education at all. I think your issues with the US educational system are more personal and not something experienced by the wider population.
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Shrecknet posted:Republicans are only a few dozens seats from holding the house and deadlocked in the Senate (secretly in power due to the filibuster) because they play to their base. The GOP has learned the only important lesson of the last ten years, one Democrats willfully refuse to learn: there are no more swing voters. There are only turn-out-your-base elections anymore. And you turn out your base by promising (and delivering) things your base wants and approves of. It just happens that the GOP base, instead of wanting sensible policy reforms that would improve the conditions of the citizenry, want crazy moonbat poo poo. it bears mention here that the republicans doing this cost them the senate and house and lost them the presidency with an incumbent, and one of the important reasons was formerly Republican voters switching parties.
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Zeron posted:The Global Democracy Index is from the The Economist, which is a UK based media company. It's not a US based intelligence assessment as funny as that would be. Freedom House shared the image and they are an unofficial analysis agency of the U.S.
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Mafic Rhyolite posted:Yeah all those teachers from "inspirational" (read: dystopian) stories where they have to get a second or third job in order to provide the basic needs for educating their classes are not the people who get any real say in the overall structure of the system, it seems kind of absurd to me to even act like they have any real power in the systemic issues of American education at all. A "cold sweat?"...From K-12 PTSD? Are you okay? Also, yeah Administration decides some things but most teachers have some creative control and content control, it does vary though. Have you like, ever talked to teachers? Did you just watch the Wall video once and think that's what all schools are? I entirely agree with you that educators need more say in the system, completely agree. Also, Hollywood and Billionare media execs push the feel-good stories so they won't have to pay teachers better salaries or fix bad conditions TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Feb 4, 2021 |
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Didn't the IRS have a tool where you could give them your address for the stimulus payment? Trying to help a friend out but I can't find the tool on the website anymore
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The U.S. education system is, like much of the U.S., wildly unequal. The U.S. ranks ~16th in the world on standardized math and literacy tests. If you removed the bottom 5% performing schools, then the U.S. shoots up to #1. The U.S. is still #1 by a large amount on college and post-college education.
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Vorik posted:Didn't the IRS have a tool where you could give them your address for the stimulus payment? Trying to help a friend out but I can't find the tool on the website anymore https://sa.www4.irs.gov/irfof-wmsp/notice;jsessionid=abdIUelXhWRvZMnHl5q0_Suq.86
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James Garfield posted:it bears mention here that the republicans doing this cost them the senate and house and lost them the presidency with an incumbent, and one of the important reasons was formerly Republican voters switching parties. They gained seats in the house, gained seats in state legislatures, and were 65,000 votes away from the presidency in an election where 158,000,000 people voted. I have lived through many predictions of GOP self destruction, and every time they have won future elections by being even worse than they were before.
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TulliusCicero posted:A "cold sweat?"...From K-12 PTSD? Are you okay? I'm talking about post-secondary too. The problems before that come from schools overwhelming unwillingness to do anything about bullying from students or staff, general apathy, letting cops wander the halls and send kids to prison, poo poo like that. I'm not seeing why you think that I'm saying teachers should be fired and hanged like cops, an institution being bad doesn't always mean that everyone involved is human garbage (like cops).
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