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Tae posted:I wouldn't ask period and just ignore it if you're never going to pay. Quench all curiosity. Oh, rest assured, I'll never throw money at random chance, I'm just kind of baffled at how badly it's done in this game. No Wave posted:You would spend 5 euros every month for four months. Every day you log in you'd get 90 extra primogems, and if you logged in every day it would add up to about 60 extra rolls over those four months. This is by far the best value in the game. If you miss a log in you get nothing for that day though. No kidding it's a bad deal. I always come back to the fact that if they'd made wishes somewhat more lenient and thrown a 30 euro price tag on the game, I'd happily paid it. But like I said before, it's all about them whales with these games.
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Pain of Mind posted:At this point you should have 6-7 5* if you FTP from the beginning, assuming you have spent all primogems and starglitter things. No Wave fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Feb 5, 2021 |
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I've gone F2P all the way since around early October and I only have Klee C1, Ganyu C0, and two 5* weapons (sword and claymore) so far. The thing is that the game doesn't make me feel like I could've done any better if I'd dumped money into it to the point where I'm surprised I even got those characters. So it's either that they're really generous to the F2P folks or haven't thought their mtx through at all. I'm leaning towards the latter. E: They could've at least enticed me to pay actual money for characters and weapons but they just.. haven't.
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I assure you, their MTX is very well thought out. They made $400 million in two months last year.
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Stare-Out posted:I've gone F2P all the way since around early October and I only have Klee C1, Ganyu C0, and two 5* weapons (sword and claymore) so far. The thing is that the game doesn't make me feel like I could've done any better if I'd dumped money into it to the point where I'm surprised I even got those characters. So it's either that they're really generous to the F2P folks or haven't thought their mtx through at all. I'm leaning towards the latter. You aren't paying for power in this game, you are paying for waifus.
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Stare-Out posted:I've gone F2P all the way since around early October and I only have Klee C1, Ganyu C0, and two 5* weapons (sword and claymore) so far. The thing is that the game doesn't make me feel like I could've done any better if I'd dumped money into it to the point where I'm surprised I even got those characters. So it's either that they're really generous to the F2P folks or haven't thought their mtx through at all. I'm leaning towards the latter. You're not the target audience, that's why you're unaffected. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsVaF6o5O3M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31LJ9kemst0&t=6s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49rvGkI-3jw
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No Wave posted:I assure you, their MTX is very well thought out. They made $400 million in two months last year. Well but that must be from whales for the most part. Any game like this will have them. It's their seeming unwillingness to reach out to more reasonable people that surprises me. Lechtansi posted:You aren't paying for power in this game, you are paying for waifus. Tae posted:You're not the target audience, that's why you're unaffected. Seems so. I guess playing a game because it's fun instead of paying to make it more fun isn't something that appeals to a poor like me.  If I miss out on a character that seems fun to play or powerful it's at most a shrug and an "oh well" for me.
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Feb 5, 2021 22:11
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Feb 5, 2021 22:12
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the battle pass and the welkin blessing *are* how they reach out to the more casual players. they don't make the smaller purchases great for small time spenders because they're targeted 100% at exploiting whales as much as possible.
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Feb 5, 2021 22:13
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No Wave posted:If you hit soft pity every time I don't think you'd even have five. Enviosity doesn't have 300 rainbow rolls saved up and he's been gifted 50 rolls from Mihoyo. You get 5*s from standard rolls too. I did not start on day 0 and have about 415 rolls in hand, and would have a few more from starglitter if I spent my ~70 rolls of primogems. Going from the thread a while back where people were listing what roll they got a 5* on, the soft pity is really fairly firm where less than 10% of self reported 5*s were after 80 rolls, most pity 5* are rolls 75-79. If you get unlucky and get one at 80 rolls every time you will still have over 5, and I am guessing the average is closer to 70 since you might not always get them on pity. Maybe 7 5* requires a bit of luck, but 5-6 seems very likely. Pain of Mind fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Feb 5, 2021 |
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Feb 5, 2021 22:17
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Sanya Juutilainen posted:Considering it's a seven days event with maximum of eight rewards, it would be a bit weird if it was~ Eight rewards? I don't remember it mentioning a maximum number of rewards anywhere.
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Feb 5, 2021 22:19
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The Crusher posted:Yeah I feel like the trading is going to be useless until the last couple days of the event when everyone knows what they don't need anymore. And even more useless based on what you said. Lately they are really struggling with finding reasons to get you to work together or co-op. The marvelous boxes thing was kiiinda okay but I honestly am not wasting my time looking for someone who has a paltry reward slightly different than my own. It's more likely that the devs are very enthusiastic about alternate playstyles and types of game. Keep in mind that Honkai Impact straight up has an event where it opens up an in program version of MS Paint and makes you paint a replica of a picture every day if you want the event rewards.
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5 bucks a month means that if you do the dailies you get one pull a day. That means a guaranteed character 5* every 3 months at worst or usually every 2 months when you take into account free primos. In contrast not spending those 5 bucks doubles the amount of time you have to grind to get a guaranteed 5*. Mind you the game is still relatively young in release and they haven't even begun doing whats normal for every other gachas. Which are guaranteed premium pulls, limited discounted currency packages, selector tickets, etc.
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RareAcumen posted:Eight rewards? I don't remember it mentioning a maximum number of rewards anywhere. Pain of Mind posted:You get 5*s from standard rolls too. I did not start on day 0 and have about 415 rolls in hand, and would have a few more from starglitter if I spent my ~70 rolls of primogems. No Wave fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Feb 5, 2021 |
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Cao Ni Ma posted:5 bucks a month means that if you do the dailies you get one pull a day. That means a guaranteed character 5* every 3 months at worst or usually every 2 months when you take into account free primos. In contrast not spending those 5 bucks doubles the amount of time you have to grind to get a guaranteed 5*. I hope it doesn't get scummier, because they could realize they have a hit on their hands and do better with all of the monetization but I doubt they will. Like I said, so far it's been surprisingly light on that stuff to the point where someone like me can only wonder why have mtx in it at all.
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No Wave posted:It says it on the event screen on the bottom of the screen. You are right that 7 is fairly optimistic, 5-6 would probably have been more accurate. I was mainly responding to the phrasing about having "a couple of 5* FTP" which I felt was underselling how many you would have.
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Stare-Out posted:I hope it doesn't get scummier, because they could realize they have a hit on their hands and do better with all of the monetization but I doubt they will. Like I said, so far it's been surprisingly light on that stuff to the point where someone like me can only wonder why have mtx in it at all. I think its the opposite - they are at their max scummy right now because their whales are still fresh. Once the whales start to burn out they will entice the F2P players to spend by making the deals better. You can already see that because they added fragile resin to the battlepass. In the past they wanted whales to spend their primos on resin, but that time has passed so now they are handing it out cheaper.
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Archonex posted:It's more likely that the devs are very enthusiastic about alternate playstyles and types of game. What drat that sounds awesome. I do think the events like the food delivery and stuff that makes you think outside the box a bit of your normal playstyle is fun. I just wish Co-op wasn't objectively worse/slower for me in the case of domains and such.
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Stare-Out posted:I hope it doesn't get scummier, because they could realize they have a hit on their hands and do better with all of the monetization but I doubt they will. Like I said, so far it's been surprisingly light on that stuff to the point where someone like me can only wonder why have mtx in it at all. Decades of gacha research and their previous gacha game has disproven everything you said. Just accept being immune to it.
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Lechtansi posted:I think its the opposite - they are at their max scummy right now because their whales are still fresh. Once the whales start to burn out they will entice the F2P players to spend by making the deals better. That is a very good point, but I'll believe it when I see it. I'm well aware that I'll probably never get everything this game has to offer without spending a dime on it but I hope what you said continues to evolve. It's really their game to ruin at this point since they can only do better.
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Tae posted:Decades of gacha research I'm unironically very interested in this: are we talking pachinko/slot research past a certain point, actual tangible gacha machine studies, or were there gacha games in the early 2000s before cell phone use was widely adopted or smartphones became a thing?
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zgrowler2 posted:I'm unironically very interested in this: are we talking pachinko/slot research past a certain point, actual tangible gacha machine studies, or were there gacha games in the early 2000s before cell phone use was widely adopted or smartphones became a thing? Card game booster packs.
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Tarezax posted:Card game booster packs. God, how did I miss TCGs? That makes a ton of sense lmao. I've spent.....too many dollars on cardboard 
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Lechtansi posted:I think its the opposite - they are at their max scummy right now because their whales are still fresh. Once the whales start to burn out they will entice the F2P players to spend by making the deals better. I am fundamentally opposed to paying for gacha stuff because my brain just cannot accept the lack of value your money gives. Even the best option in the Welkin pass is still terrible when you factor in what you are actually getting out of it, it just looks best because the other options are even more terrible. It feels like the value is obfuscated because you are buying big numbers where 3000 primogems sounds like a lot, but it is really just 18.75 rolls, and that is the best option by far. Same with the battle pass for exp books or whatever - wow you get a lot of books, but since it takes so much to level someone each book individually has very little value. I know lots of people think it is worth paying so money for stuff and that is fine, but my brain just hard-locks when you translate the $ into what you actually get in-game with it.
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Pain of Mind posted:At this point you should have 6-7 5* if you FTP from the beginning, assuming you have spent all primogems and starglitter things. For what it's worth I'm f2p and I've got four 5*s (and every 4*) not counting Traveler, playing from the beginning but skipping 3-4 weeks in the middle. One of those 4 is C1 though. So yeah I could believe 6-7 with a bit of luck and no dupes.
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This is legit annoying and happens way too often near water. 
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MarcusSA posted:This is legit annoying and happens way too often near water. You can do a plunge attack and try to get them but it's tricky and annoying. I think Jean has some gimmick to help you loot underwater items more easily but I don't have her so I can't confirm that.
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Some Numbers posted:It's Keqing's overall best sword. Electric Keqing I'm guessing (since Aquila Favonia seems like it would be better for Physical)?
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Uh yo wtf you can get a character off the weapon banner?????? I can’t post my history yet but uh??
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Pain of Mind posted:I am fundamentally opposed to paying for gacha stuff because my brain just cannot accept the lack of value your money gives. Even the best option in the Welkin pass is still terrible when you factor in what you are actually getting out of it, it just looks best because the other options are even more terrible. It feels like the value is obfuscated because you are buying big numbers where 3000 primogems sounds like a lot, but it is really just 18.75 rolls, and that is the best option by far. Same with the battle pass for exp books or whatever - wow you get a lot of books, but since it takes so much to level someone each book individually has very little value. I know lots of people think it is worth paying so money for stuff and that is fine, but my brain just hard-locks when you translate the $ into what you actually get in-game with it. I'll never buy currency at the default values, but $5 bucks for welkin pass is a no brainer because it lets me DOUBLE my monthly pull rate. 75% of the reason why I play gachas is to pull that lever. Its gambling, it stimulates that lizard part of my brain. 5 bucks is a drop in the bucket when compared to actually going to the casino.
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MarcusSA posted:Uh yo wtf you can get a character off the weapon banner?????? 4* yes, but no 5*. Similarly, you can pull 4* weapons on the character banner but no 5*.
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Karia posted:Similarly, you can pull 4* weapons on the character banner but no 5*. The F2P lament.
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Karia posted:4* yes, but no 5*. Similarly, you can pull 4* weapons on the character banner but no 5*. I’m not sure how I feel about this turn of events lol. I did get the 5* sprear though so yay.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:I'll never buy currency at the default values, but $5 bucks for welkin pass is a no brainer because it lets me DOUBLE my monthly pull rate. 75% of the reason why I play gachas is to pull that lever. Its gambling, it stimulates that lizard part of my brain. 5 bucks is a drop in the bucket when compared to actually going to the casino. I agree that is the biggest draw is the unregulated gambling for the lizard brain stimulating aspect. I am probably the outlier, as mentioned before, gachas break my brain. Pain of Mind fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Feb 5, 2021 |
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Stare-Out posted:You can do a plunge attack and try to get them but it's tricky and annoying. I think Jean has some gimmick to help you loot underwater items more easily but I don't have her so I can't confirm that. you can pull things that are in VERY shallow water with jean's vacuum, but its range is poor and the loot has to be shallow enough that she can reach it at all. most of the time it's impossible because you won't be able to find land you can stand on without switching to swimming, that's also deep enough to reach the drops.
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Nothing makes me madder than drowning and losing my entire party's ult charge. Ok, overloading a whopperflower makes me madder, but drowning is second place.
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Pain of Mind posted:I am fundamentally opposed to paying for gacha stuff because my brain just cannot accept the lack of value your money gives. Even the best option in the Welkin pass is still terrible when you factor in what you are actually getting out of it, it just looks best because the other options are even more terrible. It feels like the value is obfuscated because you are buying big numbers where 3000 primogems sounds like a lot, but it is really just 18.75 rolls, and that is the best option by far. Same with the battle pass for exp books or whatever - wow you get a lot of books, but since it takes so much to level someone each book individually has very little value. I know lots of people think it is worth paying so money for stuff and that is fine, but my brain just hard-locks when you translate the $ into what you actually get in-game with it. I think about it differently - I think of it as "how much am I paying to play this game, per hour." My gold standard is $1 per hour - so If I bought genshin at the store for $60, I would have expected to get 60 hours out of it. I easily get 12 hours per month of playtime out of this game, so for me paying $12 per month is easy. I just consider everything extra I get in return a bonus.
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