Son of Thunderbeast posted:

Oh boy, do Mexico's gundam next, this is definitely the thread for it

hyperhazard posted:

It makes something like Arrested Development seem incredibly dated, especially the reboot.

indiscriminately posted:

Arrested Development is aware that its characters are hazardous and perhaps irredeemable. I think it can be seen as a dark timeline tragedy. Main character marries a loving partner and escapes the gravity well of a dysfunctional family, partner dies young and unexpectedly, main character returns to the only family he has left and we witness he and his son grow to adopt the selfishness and maladaptive patterns of the family. They were good people and now they are doomed.

Nottherealaborn posted:

Michael Bluth, in addition to becoming worse over time, also I think is shown that he never was nearly as pure as he thought himself to be. From the beginning he derides his family, while engaging in similar selfish behaviors.

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Son of Thunderbeast posted:

sounds like it aged badly

Casnorf posted:

It's hard to age badly when there was never any pretension of good. G Gundam rules in the same exact way MXC does.

ilmucche posted:

Nether Gundam

indiscriminately posted:

Arrested Development is aware that its characters are hazardous and perhaps irredeemable. I think it can be seen as a dark timeline tragedy. Main character marries a loving partner and escapes the gravity well of a dysfunctional family, partner dies young and unexpectedly, main character returns to the only family he has left and we witness he and his son grow to adopt the selfishness and maladaptive patterns of the family. They were good people and now they are doomed.

Len posted:

Don't forget that there is a horse Gundam that is piloted by a horse that goes through the same body suit process

Also the horse Gundam is then rode by other gundams

Ghost Leviathan posted:

It's more that romantic subplots in literally everything draw directly from romcoms usually without even the setting and context they have.

Like, even shows that mostly have romantic relationships happen offscreen are better. Dragon Ball actually comes to mind, as a lot of relationships are shown as rocky, weird and not even necessarily ideal, but still more realistically and nuanced than nearly all anime, let alone cartoons and TV.

Hell, let's get into DBZ a bit. Goku and Chi-Chi are interesting since some of the nuance of their relationship is lost in the dub- namely, they're both given accents of backwoods mountain hicks in the original, with surprisingly similar stereotypes to American equivalents as a result. (yes, been compared to Cletus and Brandine from the Simpsons and it's not entirely off the mark) Them having very few public displays of affection tracks with this, in something that got also maybe lost in the dub of Super where Goku is apparently surprised at someone kissing their wife in public (which has Vegeta of all people wonder how he's still married) and a few people wonder why they stick together, but Chi-Chi's traditional enough to stick with the one man who accidentally accepted her marriage proposal when he was a tween. Well, that and Goku is a thoughtless, literal alien weirdo but he's stupid hot and definitely loyal. We see worse in r/relationships every day. (also, after the Buu saga, he's technically ten years younger)

Bulma and Vegeta is an interesting one, since the subtext is their relationship was based pretty much entirely on physical attraction to start with (and Bulma dumping Yamcha because of possibly unfounded jealousy) but they eventually formed a working relationship after Vegeta learned some hard lessons about fatherhood, and by Super, Vegeta actually seems surprised by his capacity to care, and is dealing with his emotional and social boundaries because he wants to be with his family. (funny thing is the opening episodes of Super kinda read as Vegeta having massive social anxiety issues) There's a whole thing with that in the final saga, but really more interesting when he's so hesitant to actually join a super important fight that Whis magically accelerates Bulma's pregnancy to a neat clean newborn just to get it out of the way. (which Bulma takes pretty much in stride probably because she's dealt with unending weirdness since she was a teenager)

Krillin and 18 is an interesting one, for a few reasons, but I think a key point is- he demonstrated he had power over her, and then voluntarily gave it up, at massive personal risk (and kinda disastrous overall consequences, but hey) specifically because he felt so utterly uncomfortable with it. A way more solid basis for a relationship than most, especially since there was a previously established mutual attraction. And frankly, they probably have the best relationship of the lot, even with Krillin looking for an actual job and becoming a cop (at the very least, an incredibly restrained and professional one given at that point, even after going to seed, he's at a power level comparable to some versions of Superman) because of 18 apparently having expensive tastes, they both seem perfectly happy. And her brother 17 implicitly trusts her judgement on that- that if he's keeping her happy, he's worth her time.

(will admit that Dragon Ball Abridged has overwritten a fair few of my memories of DBZ, but hey)

Crowetron posted:

Also the American Gundam is a football player with boxing gloves that rides a surfboard.

Len posted:

G Gundam is way better than Gundam Wing and it's a shame Wing is the more popular one. drat you Toonnami

Calico Heart posted:

haha vegeta and bulmas relationship ship is so wacky remember when he killed all her friends and did a genocide because he got mad

CharlestheHammer posted:

He also killed a ton of people after they were married.

But he said my bad so who can be mad

IShallRiseAgain posted:

Basically every friend Goku has made since Bulma was originally a villain. Even Yamcha was a bandit.

hyperhazard posted:

The ending of the original run at least had Michael realize that the family was a lost cause, and he and his son sever from them. Michael realizes that his relationship with his son takes precedent over his loyalty to a family that doesn't give a poo poo about him. It's surprisingly healthy.

The the reunion season has them back in the drama, and backstabbing each other as they fight over the same woman. Which is hosed up in a lot of ways.

sassassin posted:

Vegeta is still a bad dad in Super. He reluctantly goes on a trip to a theme park with his family, acts like a sulky child the whole time (except when eating) and flies away to train when Bulma tells him he's fulfilled a basic, minimal obligation to his son. The episode is somehow considered a mark in his favour by many.

sassassin posted:

Vegeta is still a bad dad in Super. He reluctantly goes on a trip to a theme park with his family, acts like a sulky child the whole time (except when eating) and flies away to train when Bulma tells him he's fulfilled a basic, minimal obligation to his son. The episode is somehow considered a mark in his favour by many.

DeafNote posted:

Super is a show thats aging so badly I can already tell its terrible.

CharlestheHammer posted:

It’s just more Z. What your seeing is Z was always bad

hyperhazard posted:

Even Ted and Alexis' relationship ends on a healthy note, with them deciding that it sucks, but they don't want the same things in life. Neither of them want to uproot their careers to follow the other, which is a pretty common in real life, but hardly ever shown in sitcoms.

muscles like this! posted:

I mean, the level of bad dad in DBZ is high enough that actually caring for your family (like Vegeta does) is seen as the best father ever. Goku spends most of Goten's life either dead or off training.

Len posted:

G Gundam is way better than Gundam Wing and it's a shame Wing is the more popular one. drat you Toonnami

mind the walrus posted:

I consider it really vindicating that Gundam Wing hasn't seen any major revival attempts and even the people who were really into it back in the day recognize it as a part of their adolescence and not some meaningful "thing" we need to catch up on in 2021.

Like I don't want to knock it because I was watching Toonami too and it's all the same flavor of gym sock, but yeah I never liked Wing. Ok the animation and mech suits in Endless Waltz are loving god-tier, but otherwise that whole series could suck a nut.