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acksplode posted:RDR2 is an open world game with a day/night system and dynamic weather. It's easy to think you have settings right for a stable 60, and then mist settles down on your camp, or you visit St. Denis at night when all the streetlamps are lit. I'm running it at 4K on a 3080 and I had to knock most settings down to high or even medium to get rid of stutters entirely. Still looks absolutely gorgeous. I've been through the weather, Saint Denis at night, and pretty much 50% of the game (my second playthrough) on this 6800 and still have yet to see any stuttering. Granted, my "old-school" eyes aren't used to 144Hz gaming or anything like that. I'm playing at 60Hz. Still, I can tell when something drops below 30fps. And this game has not dropped anywhere near that on the 6800. Maybe my eyes are just fine with anything in between 30 and 60fps, I dunno. I'd think a 3080 should be getting anywhere from 10-15 fps higher than my 6800, but that's just a guess.
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Bad Munki posted:I understand that there’s like a 10, maybe 15% performance bump from the 80 to the 90, but is that across the board for applications, or is it a rough average across a few specific use cases, where some will get more benefit and others less? it's very application dependent. nominally the 3090 is ~21% faster on paper if you can hit the same clock rates. 10% is about what you get in practice, on average, but at 4K you do see more and modern games are starting to make better use of it as settings crank up. I have no particular insight into whether it matters for VR. I know the Index is roughly 4K ish when you figure out the total pixel count, most VR games are not really that intensive compared to pancake games in terms of effects (you're not going to see something like RDR2 in VR). I would guess you'd see something around that 10% average but that's just a guess.
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Bad Munki posted:I understand that there’s like a 10, maybe 15% performance bump from the 80 to the 90, but is that across the board for applications, or is it a rough average across a few specific use cases, where some will get more benefit and others less? The 3090 is indeed 10% - 15% faster across the board and has better frametimes. That’s a factor many forget because it’s not only about average frames but fps drops as well and minimum frames in heavy GPU loads and spikes. The higher VRAM bandwidth of the 3090 helps here. My brother has his VR systems tested with a 3080 and 3090 and he kept the 3090, he said the 3090 feels smoother and has a better fps punch because of the architecture in UWQHD and 4K. I feel the resale value over the years will be „better“ and higher as well for a 3090 compared to scalper 3080s because it’s a „prosumer card“ and is wanted by a niche target group, so you could factor that in as well. The reason is that beside the VRAM bandwidth the 24 GB VRAM especially are more resilient and help with workloads and future texture sizes and 4K and 8K packs in games as well. So claim it will be more „easy“ to sell your 3090 for 1000 bucks in 3 or 4 years than the 3080 you bought for 1400 now because Textures will demand more GB the next years and prosumers might jump on used 3090s in 2 years after the 4000 series is released. The 2080Ti profits from offering 11 GB VRAM and is found at 600 to 900 Euro again in local ebay listings, depending on the warranty and how young she is. I found a new 2080Ti for 850 Euro in a local Saturn (Media Markt and Metro Group) and that’s a better deal now than 800 Euro for a 3070. I still don’t understand Nvidia’s choice to sell the 3070 as the So called 2080Ti match with only 8 GB VRAM like it’s 2016 again. Edit: If the reality actually was available 3080s for 700 vs 3090s for 1500 we would have a completely different discussion. Mr.PayDay fucked around with this message at 11:01 on Feb 6, 2021 |
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It's kind of funny that you can still game pretty well these days at 1080p with like, an i5 and 980ti. As pixel counts increase multiplicatively with native resolution, so does $$$.
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Exactly, it’s the jump to 3440x1440 and 4K that scales your money you have to pay for „60 fps gaming“, unironically.
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exquisite tea posted:It's kind of funny that you can still game pretty well these days at 1080p with like, an i5 and 980ti. As pixel counts increase multiplicatively with native resolution, so does $$$. Take CP2077 for example, many settings when dropped from max to medium results in little IQ impact but a tremendous boost in FPS
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exquisite tea posted:It's kind of funny that you can still game pretty well these days at 1080p with like, an i5 and 980ti. As pixel counts increase multiplicatively with native resolution, so does $$$. historical (pre-6C6T/6C12T) i5 is starting to struggle depending on what it is, 4C4T is rough these days I think. Even at lower resolutions you may be CPU bound. I think there's a pretty solid argument that i7s or HEDT was worth the squeeze back then - 4C8T i7s like 2600K/4790K/etc have aged much better than 4C4T, is that worth an extra $100? I think probably. A 3930K basically is a Ryzen 1600 processor but 5 years earlier, is that worth an extra $400 up front for the chip and board? I think probably. Even as recently as Haswell, 4790K or 5820K was a good purchase. 980 Ti is also getting to be a problem especially for DX12/Vulkan-only titles, Maxwell really is a DX11-optimized architecture and doesn't handle some newer games all that well. For the most part NVIDIA has actually been really good about legacy support though - bringing DX12 to Fermi was completely unexpected and they didn't have any profit motive for that, and Kepler desktop still has nominal driver support (despite the architecture performing really poorly) just like GCN 1.0. It's not great performance, the architecture didn't age well and drivers can't fix that, but you can play modern games. Early GCN aged really well though and a 7950 or 290X is still decent for 1080p, and 290X has FreeSync. 290X bottomed out around $250-300 in mid 2015 after the first bitcoin gpu-mining crash, in hindsight that was one of the best buys of all time if you were willing to just stick with 1080p and maybe bought a freesync monitor later. RX 480 was also ridiculous in early 2017, you could get a used 4GB card for like $125 or 8GB for like $150, and that's really been AMD's bread and butter card ever since. The Hawaii/Polaris core configuration really worked, most Hawaii/Polaris cards are pretty much going to wear out their bearings or crack a solder ball before they're removed from service doing basic desktop/light gaming poo poo or running an improvised server or whatever. It's insane how much the GPU market has changed over the last 4 years though. Like imagine expecting a card to come down by 50% over the lifespan of the card. Or clearance sales as a new generation is introduced. Now, gently caress you, you're lucky it's at MSRP at all. But GTX 1080 bottomed out at $390-430, 1070 was $325, 480 8GB was $150-170, 4GB was $125, etc - less than a year after launch! Cards used to do that, go down sometimes. Mr.PayDay posted:Exactly, it’s the jump to 3440x1440 and 4K that scales your money you have to pay for „60 fps gaming“, unironically. 3440x1440 is only marginally worse than 1440p, it is only 21/16 = ~31% more pixels. It's better to drift to the high-end range of GPUs if you want high-refresh but midrange will work if you have realistic expectations. But yeah in general if you stay at 1080p you can get away with a much cheaper GPU. 1440p requires at least midrange if not a high end setup, and 4K requires absolute top of the line gear, and it's been that way for ages. The CPU itself needs to be fast if you want to hit high refresh even with 1080p, but Zen2, Coffee Lake, and Zen3 are all competent enough. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Feb 6, 2021 |
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The 3080ti is real? https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-with-12gb-memory-to-launch-in-april
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GPU Megat[H]read - "In Stock" is a nebulous term...
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GPU Megat[H]read - Future E-waste
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Do not become addicted to GPUs, it will take hold of you and you will resent its absence.
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pofcorn posted:Do not become addicted to GPUs, it will take hold of you and you will resent its absence. 
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pofcorn posted:Do not become addicted to GPUs, it will take hold of you and you will resent its absence. 
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"Hope is a mistake. If you can't fix what's broken, you'll go insane."
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[And this post is a third Fury Road quote.]
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Am I going to have to use one of those in-stock notification services to get a 3060 when they are released, or are they expecting them to not fly off the shelves as fast as the higher end cards? I really want to upgrade my GTX 970.
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After updating to NVIDIA Game Ready Driver 461.09 or newer, Google Chrome may display flicker on some PC configurationsNvidia posted:NVIDIA is currently investigating end user reports that after updating to NVIDIA Game Ready Driver 461.09 or newer, Google Chrome may display flicker on some PC configurations.
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Malloc Voidstar posted:After updating to NVIDIA Game Ready Driver 461.09 or newer, Google Chrome may display flicker on some PC configurations Oh, phew. It was really starting to bug the poo poo out of me
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Slowpoke! posted:Am I going to have to use one of those in-stock notification services to get a 3060 when they are released, or are they expecting them to not fly off the shelves as fast as the higher end cards? I really want to upgrade my GTX 970. I would not expect to get any graphics card anytime soon. If you want a 3060 I'd start prepping to jump on one fast. They can't even keep poo poo 2 generations old in stock.
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What is the current best shot at getting a 3080? Are there still discords that have alerts and the like? If so, can somebody link the best? I haven't tried to get one since the first couple of weeks after launch and at the time I was using a discord that I don't have a link to any more. What about the scalper groups? Don't they have some kind of custom software that helps them get stock. Is it feasible to try to use their method/tool to get a 3080? I assume it probably costs something but if it costs less than the markup on 3080s on ebay it would still be cheaper...
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Buying a bot only puts you on an even keel with everyone else who bought the bot. It's probably a If you're not a brand snob - and at this point few are - the zotac store has been one of the most frequently-updated vendors. The coolers on their trinity cards are iffy, but the amps are solid and a few people who actually have them say they run just fine.
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D-Pad posted:What is the current best shot at getting a 3080? Are there still discords that have alerts and the like? If so, can somebody link the best? I haven't tried to get one since the first couple of weeks after launch and at the time I was using a discord that I don't have a link to any more. What about the scalper groups? Don't they have some kind of custom software that helps them get stock. Is it feasible to try to use their method/tool to get a 3080? I assume it probably costs something but if it costs less than the markup on 3080s on ebay it would still be cheaper... The ATR Stonks discord is good, but I don't have an invite link handy (someone here might). Getting a card is definitely doable without any botting software, the problem right now is hardly any 3080s have actually been dropping recently. There's been lots of 3070s, but hardly any 3080s. Lots of people have had success with Best Buy drops and Zotac store drops. Also couldn't hurt to enter Newegg shuffle every day, but I think your chances there are slim. Main thing to realize is each site often has a specific method you need to follow for checkout to have the best shot, at a card. E.g. on Zotac after you add to cart you need to copy/paste a link to the express PayPal checkout workflow rather than going through their normal checkout workflow. On Best Buy you should put every card you're interested on your saved items page, when a drop comes you hit the initial add to cart button, it will gray out for a while, then turn back yellow at which point you can actually add to cart. You specifically don't want to spam refresh/tabs for Best Buy as I believe that resets your chance at the Add buttons actually turning back to yellow for you. Other stores I'm sure have their own special process. In all cases though, making sure you have accounts created, logged in, and addresses/payment methods (for non-PayPal checkouts) pre-entered so you don't get slowed down when a drop comes is mandatory. Splinter fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Feb 6, 2021 |
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Malloc Voidstar posted:After updating to NVIDIA Game Ready Driver 461.09 or newer, Google Chrome may display flicker on some PC configurations
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Thanks for reminding me why I kill the xbox/windows game bar/geforce overlays usually within hours of installing an OS on a new build. Though I don't kill the steam/uplay/epic overlays since they only pop during a game and have not given me any trouble yet.
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I don't know why, but I prefer StockDrops. Probably because they have Twitter feeds, possibly because the subtle humor in their web site is funnier than zoomer memes like "stonks". Regrettably they all have Pepe The Frog and (ugh) 'kek' laughing man emotes, but nearly every gamer-focused space refuses to disown themselves of the cultural errata that the fascists corrupted. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Feb 7, 2021 |
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Oh god what did they do to El Risitas
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Craptacular! posted:I don't know why, but I prefer StockDrops. Probably because they have Twitter feeds, possibly because the subtle humor in their web site is funnier than zoomer memes like "stonks". Maybe off topic but it looks like the not insane part of the internet is trying to rehabilitate pepe. Who knows if the people using it are aware. But even PBS did a documentary on it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
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Yeah he goes by peepo now and is feeling good, man
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I started playing DIRT Rally 2.0 after spending the better part of a week downloading its 100 gig size. What surprised me was that running it on 1440p on the High preset, I can maintain an absolute 75 FPS lock and the GPU is sitting at about 75% utilization, and the CPU is at 30% utilization. I only bring this up because the other two racing games I've been playing, NFS Payback and NFS Heat, stress my GPU and my CPU to the point where they're usually sitting well over 80% utilization and I can't always maintain 75 FPS. It's not a huge deal but I'm surprised at either how well optimized DIRT Rally is, or how un-optimized these EA games are (I think they run on Frostbite?)
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buglord posted:Maybe off topic but it looks like the not insane part of the internet is trying to rehabilitate pepe. Who knows if the people using it are aware. But even PBS did a documentary on it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Twitch has always been way larger than any fascist usage of pepe.
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Combat Pretzel posted:Overlays. loving overlays. That reg file disables overlays. Those are raining on my parade for months now. gently caress that poo poo. This totally fixed it for me
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gradenko_2000 posted:It's not a huge deal but I'm surprised at either how well optimized DIRT Rally is, or how un-optimized these EA games are (I think they run on Frostbite?) DIRT is well optimized and Frostbite is a cluster gently caress of an engine. EA thinks you can take an engine primarily designed for shooters and rig it to work for everything while also losing all (95% sure on this) of the engineers who created Frostbite
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It's OK, now EA own Codemasters they'll have Dirt running on Frostbite soon enough. I'm actually fairly optimistic about the 3060, I've seen a handful of UK places have 3060Ti's in stock the last few days. Mostly for pickup in stores that aren't near me but still. As someone still rocking a 1060 it's very much the one I've been waiting for as my next big upgrade.
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Indiana_Krom posted:Thanks for reminding me why I kill the xbox/windows game bar/geforce overlays usually within hours of installing an OS on a new build. Though I don't kill the steam/uplay/epic overlays since they only pop during a game and have not given me any trouble yet.
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Does anyone know where I could find a stock NVIDIA FE cooler for 2080Ti / 2080? The only card I could find locally that was reasonable priced is one of those blower card and the FE cooler looks like to be decent when it comes to cooling / size.
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