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So every conversation about cov19 I have devolves to 'well they're reporting vehicular manslaughter deaths as covid 19' and I actually heard that tonight about a guys father no less. How can this irresponsible reporting happen wtf
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Was at a beachside pub today in a country town which just happened to be the same place I read this Guardian piece while anxiously doomscrolling 11 months ago during The Week That Everything Changed, and I remembered it being one of the most clear-eyed and memorable pieces of writing from that period, basically laying out the options available to Australia. (The other was this piece in the LRB which might have been the first one that drove it home to me that this was actually gonna be a really big deal: "This is NOT business as usual. This will be different from what anyone living has ever experienced.") It's interesting to revisit it now: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/21/the-case-for-shutting-down-almost-everything-and-restarting-when-coronavirus-is-gone quote:We see three possible endgames. It lays out three options for Australia, and I distinctly remember thinking how loving badly I hoped and prayed the government would opt for Endgame C: shut the borders, do a hard lockdown, life goes back to normal internally and we ride out the crisis as Fortress Australia. And I distinctly remember thinking the government just wouldn't do that, even though they had actually shut the borders at that point. I just couldn't imagine it. It's interesting what it got wrong in retrospect (turns out you can actually crush the virus with a lockdown easier than we might have thought as long as your borders are shut, and the authors failed to anticipate the ability of Australian states to close their own borders which has wreaked havoc on the hoped-for vision of domestic tourism replacing international tourism) but on the whole, it was a prescient vision of an optimistic future which I'm very glad we mostly managed to pull off.
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Feb 8, 2021 09:21
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AnnoyBot posted:Speaking of my wife, she hosted a get together with her "COVID pod" of friends in SF last night. They all think they got it last February or March and are immune. When she gets back, I'll mask up in the house with a KN95 for a few days. This will anger her, because obviously I'm being the rear end in a top hat here. It's been a rough year. This probably won't help because as you've pointed out, you're dealing with the realm of wishful thinking / self-delusion rather than someone carefully weighing the risks of their actions, but it may useful to point out to her that even if naturally-acquired immunity lasted for a year (which is questionable), the new rapidly-becoming-dominant strains are quite happy to re-infect people who contracted the OG virus. Regardless, you're keeping your head in a lovely situation and that's what your family needs - hopefully it gets easier for you soon.
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Feb 8, 2021 09:56
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Sjs00 posted:So every conversation about cov19 I have devolves to 'well they're reporting vehicular manslaughter deaths as covid 19' and I actually heard that tonight about a guys father no less. How can this irresponsible reporting happen wtf It depends who "they" are and the reporting style. In the UK we report deaths within 28 days of (first) covid positive result. So yes that means that the thousands of people killed by buses all day every day* all count as covid deaths (if dead within 28 days of positive tests), but also people who died a month after their positive result aren't counted. But which cohort is greater? The main thing with trending is to be consistent, so ever if there are wrinkles like traffic deaths, it's the direction of the trend you're interested in, not individual deaths *to listen to UK covidiots you'd think there's a massive number of deaths reported for this reason
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Feb 8, 2021 10:01
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Marmaduke! posted:It depends who "they" are and the reporting style. In the UK we report deaths within 28 days of (first) covid positive result. So yes that means that the thousands of people killed by buses all day every day* all count as covid deaths (if dead within 28 days of positive tests), but also people who died a month after their positive result aren't counted. But which cohort is greater? The main thing with trending is to be consistent, so ever if there are wrinkles like traffic deaths, it's the direction of the trend you're interested in, not individual deaths It is first positive result rather than any positive, which is pretty important as people often take longer than that to die of COVID. However, they're upfront that this is an underestimate and do publish other measures, which the UK news also reports on, just less often.
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Feb 8, 2021 10:45
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Pennywise the Frown posted:Very true. But Trump 100% openly called it the China Virus purely from racism and hatred. He wanted to make sure everyone should blame them and that it's all China's fault that we're dying. He is horrible, but I don't think that's why he did it. He started really calling it the China virus after China claimed it came from the U.S., even named a female soldier who brought it to China on purpose. So he wanted people to make sure they knew it was from China, not the U.S.
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Feb 8, 2021 14:42
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CarlosTheDwarf posted:He is horrible, but I don't think that's why he did it. He started really calling it the China virus after China claimed it came from the U.S., even named a female soldier who brought it to China on purpose. So he wanted people to make sure they knew it was from China, not the U.S. I'm sure the prior years of Chinese xenophobia was some 3d chess. Or maybe part of the plan.
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Feb 8, 2021 15:13
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It's entertaining to act like Trump is alone in calling it the china virus but that's also ignoring that most people learned about the spanish flu, not "the 1918 flu". Calling it where it came from shouldn't be racist, but today's culture means that it's racist.
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Feb 8, 2021 15:19
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satanic splash-back posted:It's entertaining to act like Trump is alone in calling it the china virus but that's also ignoring that most people learned about the spanish flu, not "the 1918 flu". Calling it where it came from shouldn't be racist, but today's culture means that it's racist. The lesson from the naming of the Spanish flu is not that it was fair, accurate, or should be repeated.
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Feb 8, 2021 15:24
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satanic splash-back posted:It's entertaining to act like Trump is alone in calling it the china virus but that's also ignoring that most people learned about the spanish flu, not "the 1918 flu". Calling it where it came from shouldn't be racist, but today's culture means that it's racist. hell of a first post itt
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Feb 8, 2021 15:34
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Not to totally derail this thread but when Trump calls it the "China Virus" and couples that with stuff like "Joe Biden is working for China", you can pretty easily figure out how much of it motivated by racism (the answer is 100%). My wife goes in for surgery in 8 days, we're being insanely careful and even avoiding grocery stores to make sure we get her in for this surgery without a covid scare. Her father called last week and spewed this insane conspiracy theory about doctors intentionally giving covid to surgery patients to "kill them for the money", so that was really nice. This is the same guy who has gone from "covid isn't real at all" to "it's just the flu" to "it's an excuse to get the mark of the beast implanted in you" to "I had covid, please come visit me".
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Feb 8, 2021 15:35
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satanic splash-back posted:It's entertaining to act like Trump is alone in calling it the china virus but that's also ignoring that most people learned about the spanish flu, not "the 1918 flu". Calling it where it came from shouldn't be racist, but today's culture means that it's racist. The problem is, Americans aren't hearing 'UK Variant' and harrassing British people. They're sure as poo poo harassing Chinese people.
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Feb 8, 2021 16:12
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satanic splash-back posted:It's entertaining to act like Trump is alone in calling it the china virus but that's also ignoring that most people learned about the spanish flu, not "the 1918 flu". Calling it where it came from shouldn't be racist, but today's culture means that it's racist. tell that to the owners of the chinese market in my town that were targets of months of harassment and eventual arson due to this, fuckface
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Feb 8, 2021 16:20
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it was probably pretty racist back then as well
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Feb 8, 2021 16:39
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Mozi posted:it was probably pretty racist back then as well It definitely was, and although it's not really the point, it didn't even originate in Spain - cases were happening in the US and UK long before, but wartime censorship of the press (the real kind, not the THEY WON'T LET ME USE THE N WORD kind) meant that the first actual public reports of it were from the Spanish press.
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Feb 8, 2021 16:43
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it's a little different i guess w/ the variants? but even now, people are starting to refer to them as 501.V2 or whatnot, which isn't the greatest name, but whatever. there was some value in knowing where they originated and therefore might be more prevalent but as time goes on that's less meaningful maybe there should be names like we use for hurricanes. so you'd have the Anna strain, the Bob strain, etc etc
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Feb 8, 2021 16:46
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Mozi posted:maybe there should be names like we use for hurricanes. so you'd have the Anna strain, the Bob strain, etc etc Actually, I think we should stop naming hurricanes after people.
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Feb 8, 2021 16:52
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right... well, ok. we'll name them after abstract geometrical principles then, maybe? it's a little difficult to think of things that people would easily remember yet also don't have an association with people
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Feb 8, 2021 17:00
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here are so many hurricanes now that it would be easier to name the brief calm periods between them
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Feb 8, 2021 17:13
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I posted about this in that gassed thread about naming the variants, but you only get so many free passes to use medical jargon when you communicate with the public. You can name variants after things other than where they originated (or were first identified) but it requires something universally comprehensible. On the surface level at least, most COVID variants are pretty much identical to the layman, other than being "probably more infectious". If one of them turns out to be resistant to all the vaccines or something, it'll probably earn a new name based on that quality. If one of them turns you into a clown as a side-effect, same deal. As it is right now, newspapers are not gonna print articles full of names like B.1.1.7, 20I/501Y.V1. Origins are the only useful identifying aspect. The whole China virus thing was totally different, because it was an attempt to walk back an already globally accepted naming convention for PR purposes.
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Feb 8, 2021 17:22
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The Weak-rear end Variant and the Oh poo poo Variant.
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Feb 8, 2021 17:28
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 FUCKYEEEEEEAAAAHHHHH BITNCHES I JUST SCORED COVID VACCINE APPOINTMENTS FOR EVERYONE IN MY HOUSE   EXTREMELY PRO TIP FOR GETTING A COVID VACCINE APPOINTMENT Find a clinic with an online vaccine appointment signup page that updates whenever an open spot becomes available, then download the Distill add-on for Firefox and set it to refresh that page every 5 seconds (or 6 seconds, or 10 seconds, or whatever) and alert you via phone text, email, and a little noise that plays on your computer any time the page updates. Then just leave your phone and computer running 24/7, with sleep mode and auto shutdown and Do Not Disturb and etc all turned off, and check the page every time you get an update alert. Assuming your signup page is anything like mine, eventually it’ll update with open vaccine appointments. You’re welcome  I technically meet the Tier 1B vaccine requirement of being over 18 and obese I. M. Gei fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Feb 8, 2021 |
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Feb 8, 2021 17:30
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where do you live that appointments are open to anyone with no filtering based on risk group, cuz congrats but that sounds real stupid
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Feb 8, 2021 17:32
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Inept posted:where do you live that appointments are open to anyone with no filtering based on risk group, cuz congrats but that sounds real stupid I mean that's how all of the local pharmacies around my area (philly suburbs) are operating now. There's signup sheets on their websites but the sites are almost always just down with a big "THERE ARE NO SPOTS AVAILABLE" messaging everywhere. If you apply to get one through the county "officially" you need to give them your pre-existing conditions or essential worker status but if you find a pharmacy that has vaccines afaik they just want to get them out. explosivo fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Feb 8, 2021 |
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Feb 8, 2021 17:35
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Inept posted:where do you live that appointments are open to anyone with no filtering based on risk group, cuz congrats but that sounds real stupid Yeah I couldn’t find anywhere to do that for my dad who is nearing 70 in California. If he were 70 I think he’d be in but since he isn’t tough luck.
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Feb 8, 2021 17:38
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explosivo posted:I mean that's how all of the local pharmacies around my are (philly suburbs) are operating now. There's signup sheets on their websites but the sites are almost always just down with a big "THERE ARE NO SPOTS AVAILABLE" messaging everywhere. If you apply to get one through the county "officially" you need to give them your pre-existing conditions or essential worker status but if you find a pharmacy that has vaccines afaik they just want to get them out. In my case, one of my local hospitals has a SignUpGenius page for COVID vax appointments. I set Distill to update that page every 5 seconds and it just payed off about an hour ago.
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Feb 8, 2021 17:40
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Inept posted:where do you live that appointments are open to anyone with no filtering based on risk group, cuz congrats but that sounds real stupid IIRC Texas, and yes.
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Feb 8, 2021 17:50
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Security guard punched for reminding man to wear maskquote:KENOSHA, Wis. (AP) — A Paddock Lake man is facing charges after he was accused of punching a security guard who reminded him to wear a mask at a Kenosha grocery store. I go to this grocery store sometimes. 
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Feb 8, 2021 17:55
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Pennywise the Frown posted:I go to this grocery store sometimes. At least they enforce mask usage to the point there’s a guy at the door and apparently he’s serious enough to elicit punches from cowards?
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Feb 8, 2021 18:05
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Hell yeah got an appointment to get my 5G nanobots on Thursday. Being a fat gently caress finally worked out for me. Also the part where I am in an IT role in a university and constantly make service calls to in-person classrooms where the entire room population rotates hourly but that's not a category? Platystemon posted:IIRC Texas, and yes. I'm there too and I think categories depend on location, but a lot of people just show up because the people here are loving crazy and will not book appointments/vaccine clinics will take walk-ins edit again: local top-tip is "show up around 3:30-5PM and ask if they have any left over" AveMachina fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Feb 8, 2021 |
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Feb 8, 2021 18:11
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I. M. Gei posted:
FTFY I hear microsoft is making some good stuff these days 
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Feb 8, 2021 18:44
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Got my 1st Pfizer scheduled for tomorrow, I can't focus on anything I'm so excited 
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Feb 8, 2021 19:01
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https://www.officedepot.com/a/products/6528612/Powecom-Non-Medical-Disposable-KN95-Respirator/ https://bonafidemasks.com/Powecom-kn-95/ Are these any good? My washable masks have all shrunk after repeated washes and I'm starting to get sick of them. Office Depot claims they're not FDA certified but: https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices...-equipment-euas The FDA site links to http://www.powecom.com/eng_product.html So...maybe they are? Anyone have em and can comment?
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Feb 8, 2021 21:02
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ThermoPhysical posted:https://www.officedepot.com/a/products/6528612/Powecom-Non-Medical-Disposable-KN95-Respirator/ Aaron Collins has tested that model and they perform well.
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Feb 8, 2021 21:09
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Assuming those are genuine masks (and I generally trust a brick and mortar retailer to get me genuine goods more than I trust online shops), that brand comes recommend by this guy on YouTube who has proper testing equipment to verify the efficacy of masks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JFed_ofCwM
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Feb 8, 2021 21:10
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CSL in Australia is saying that they could develop the capacity to produce mRNA vaccines in 9-12 months. Sounds like the smart bet would be to go with what we already have deals for this year and look at striking deals to produce mRNA vaccines here next year.
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Feb 8, 2021 21:58
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Picked up 3 packs of those masks from Office Depot, will be here Wednesday. Thanks!
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Feb 8, 2021 22:34
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Alan Smithee posted:anyone using respirators but covering the exhale vent? What are you using as adhesive Umm why would you do this? Is the exhaled air from your respirator carrying covid? Or is it just somehow annoying I got a resp and haven’t learned to use it, just asking
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Feb 8, 2021 22:37
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Umm why would you do this? Is the exhaled air from your respirator carrying covid? Theoretically, yeah. It’s actually still better than a cloth mask,  , but you have to keep up appearances in some public/work places.
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I stand corrected https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2021-107/default.html azurite fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Feb 9, 2021 |
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