Fallout: New Vegas: Ain't that a cuck in the bed?

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RangerKarl: Oct 7, 2013

Doing the House ending for the first time and I just feel awful, Securitrons cutting down the Kings and putting up a surveillance state. Never again. The old man must die.

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ThaumPenguin: Oct 9, 2013

IIRC the Kings survive if you don't make peace between them and the NCR

# ? Feb 8, 2021 12:05

Raygereio: Nov 12, 2012

I still think some of the House endings like the one for the Kings are inconsistent with how he's portrayed in the game. Modding them to be better is just fix. :colbert:

# ? Feb 8, 2021 12:13

OldMemes: Sep 5, 2011; I have to go now. My planet needs me.

It's not a surveillance state? The securitrons just stand there passively, and only intervene when there's violence. Freeside is meant to be a violent place, so a deterrent should help keep people safe, especially since the Kings can't be bothered to keep any kind of law and order. And even then, its mostly so people can travel to and from his businesses in peace without being jumped. Apparently civilians were meant to travel through the area, but they were cut from the final game due to memory limitations.

House killing the Kings seems a bit contradictory to his "run your own settlements if you're not interested, but the offer is there to work for/with me if you want" attitude.

# ? Feb 8, 2021 13:02

DACK FAYDEN: Feb 25, 2013; Bear Witness

OldMemes posted:

It's not a surveillance state? The securitrons just stand there passively, and only intervene when there's violence.

...And how do they know when there's violence? By watching.

# ? Feb 8, 2021 13:17

UED Special Ops: Oct 21, 2008; Grimey Drawer

ThaumPenguin posted:

IIRC the Kings survive if you don't make peace between them and the NCR

And in fact House is even pleased with that situation as it shows The Kings "loyalty". Yeah... harassing/robbing/beating to an inch of their life the citizens of the country you are draining dry sure is a mark of "loyalty" alright. Yup. Then again, this is the same guy who flat out didn't know that factions within The Three Families were:

1. Trying to usurp him and even reprogramed a Securitron to learn a massive amount about his plans
2. Planning to murder everyone on The Strip and take over while running guns and much worse.
3. Trying to bring back cannibalism and being in contact with the Legion.

OldMemes posted:

It's not a surveillance state? The securitrons just stand there passively, and only intervene when there's violence. Freeside is meant to be a violent place, so a deterrent should help keep people safe, especially since the Kings can't be bothered to keep any kind of law and order. And even then, its mostly so people can travel to and from his businesses in peace without being jumped. Apparently civilians were meant to travel through the area, but they were cut from the final game due to memory limitations.

House killing the Kings seems a bit contradictory to his "run your own settlements if you're not interested, but the offer is there to work for/with me if you want" attitude.

In a House ending Victor keeps a close watch on the citizens of Goodsprings and that is implied to not exactly be a welcome thing. But yeah, unless you are of direct use to him/are overtly threating his little retro empire, House doesn't give a drat. Living in horrible violent conditions after being forced out of the Strip? To bad, good luck not starving/being killed by the Fiends. Does make me wonder what conditions one would have had to meet for the scrapped House offering to turn over the Strip to the NCR would have been though.

# ? Feb 8, 2021 13:22

NikkolasKing: Apr 3, 2010

House is proof positive of the power of branding. He is in no way less of a sociopathic narcissist than Caesar but because he has robots and has to be civil with you (he's lost and has zero bargaining power unless you help him and he knows it) people think he's not such bad guy.

Lashing folks to crosses is not the only way to kill them or spread misery.

quote:

[What can you tell me about Freeside?]

The King: To understand Freeside, you have to look back a few years. Originally, we were all just tribes making a living in this area. That all changed when Mr. House came around. He made an offer to the three biggest tribes that were willing to listen to him. Today, everyone calls those tribes the Three Families, and they live in luxury and run their own casinos in the Strip. The rest of us were left to fight over the crumbs, living in the shadow of those more fortunate. Things got pretty nasty for a while. But we wanted more. A place of our own. A place where no one could tell us what to do. And we didn't want to go elsewhere to find it. So we took control of this place, and made it our own. And that's really all Freeside is, the best of a bad situation.

[What's your opinion of Mr. House?]

Beatrix: Before the war, Mr. House was a famous captain of industry - robotics, to be specific. Seemed charming in interviews, until he became a recluse. Since the war, though? Didn't make a peep for near two hundred years - but when he came back, he came back strong and killed a lot of people.

[Tell me about Freeside]

Beatrix: What starts in misery tends to stay there. Freeside wasn't Freeside until six or seven years ago. That's when Mr. House's robots rolled out of the Lucky 38 and started pushing everyone who wouldn't join him off the Strip. Lots of folks died. Some scattered to the winds. The rest wound up in Freeside and seem never to lose the habit of living like refugees.s

To say nothing of all the people you an talk to who are 100% in agreement about how New Vegas is one giant poverty trap where hopeless people from all over the Mojave come to spend their money in hopes they won't be killed by lizards, lose their rear end and end up as junkies in Freeside or being taken care of by the NCR.

But put some flashy lights up and blast Dean Martin and it's clearly not so bad.

# ? Feb 8, 2021 14:06

OldMemes: Sep 5, 2011; I have to go now. My planet needs me.

House's fatal flaw is that he's so caught up in the big picture, that he's lost sight of people. He's been stuck in a room with only his robots for company for too long. That's why a good karma Courier is important, he needs someone to hold him to account and connect him back to Vegas the city, not Vegas the idea.

Of the four choices, he's the least bad for the people of Vegas, the best for the NCR in the long run, and solves the Legion problem. But he needs someone to point him in the right direction, who isn't just a yes man (pun intended).

# ? Feb 8, 2021 15:03

Gaius Marius: Oct 9, 2012

Comparing house to caeser is insane. House isn't a genocidal expansionist. Of all the factions in NV he's the only one whose set realistic and obtainable goals. He's not racing against time to somehow conquer the NCR and form a culture before a tumor kills him, and he's not out to start a forever war to win a reelection. He provides a neutral non militaristic third party between the legion and the NCR that should hopefully allow them to engage in a mutually beneficial trade relationship once the more military minded leaders are gone.

For the point on new vegas spreading misery. At least it's safe and provides entertainment in an otherwise from world, the NCR controls new reno and that's new vegas except twenty times worse. And the legions idea of entertainment is forcing slaves to fight to the death.

# ? Feb 8, 2021 15:15

OldMemes: Sep 5, 2011; I have to go now. My planet needs me.

House's "I want to secure diplomatic relations with the largest post-war country, make money so I can repair the infrastructure and create jobs and make stuff" has a flawed implementation, but it's better than "kill everyone and create a fascist state", "bankrupt the most successful attempt at rebuilding civilization to make a few people richer" or "murder an old man, take his stuff and disestablish a major region for fun".

# ? Feb 8, 2021 15:54

steinrokkan: Apr 2, 2011; Soiled Meat

I guess "I like Mr. House" is the new way of saying "I'm socially liberal but fiscally conservative".

# ? Feb 8, 2021 16:02

Mr. Prokosch: Feb 14, 2012; Behold My Magnificence!

What did House do for those 200 years? Was he just in cryo sleep? Does he have a VR rig? How does he even experience his day-to-day existence as a living corpse in a mechanical sarcophagus?

# ? Feb 8, 2021 16:04

SkyeAuroline: Nov 12, 2020

OldMemes posted:

"murder an old man, take his stuff and disestablish a major region for fun".

Where do we put "haul up to all 14 Sierra Madre vending machines out of that hellscape, hook them up in the fortified bunker-tower with effectively unlimited clean hydroelectric power, let Mojave residents trade paper, tobacco, scrap metal, and scavenged batteries for essential food, ammunition, and medical supplies, and begin controlled introduction of Big MT tech to improve the lives of wastelanders while still being effectively immortal through their coil tech"? You still get a philosopher king, but one who can actually move humanity out of the rubble with more concern for them than "how can these insects be useful tools" and with at least a basic understanding of what social cues mean.

It's a shame that the DLCs couldn't modify the vanilla ending slides so they still made any sense.

# ? Feb 8, 2021 16:10

Funky Valentine: Feb 26, 2014; Dojyaa~an

Honestly House would probably be happiest if the NCR took everything except the Strip and the dam because he clearly doesn't really care about what goes on beyond them.

# ? Feb 8, 2021 16:12

Crazy Joe Wilson: Jul 4, 2007; Justifiably Mad!

Mr. Prokosch posted:

What did House do for those 200 years? Was he just in cryo sleep? Does he have a VR rig? How does he even experience his day-to-day existence as a living corpse in a mechanical sarcophagus?

For a while there House was battling computer crashes and cascades and had to reboot his system. I think he claims he was in a veritable coma while his system rebooted.

For almost 200 years seems like a stretch, New Vegas makes a bit more sense if the Strip has been around since maybe the 2240s, not 2273 as the game suggests most strongly. But then House would have had much more time to establish control over the region.

On the other hand if he woke up a couple decades early, he may have been spending most of that time looking for the Platinum Chip in the ruins of Sunnyvale. Can't really do much without that thing.

I agree House's ending slides reveal he is very vindictive. How he treats the Kings and Primm if they side/make peace with NCR is unnecessary and the sign of a tyrant, which he says he isn't. Definitely a 'power of branding' thing. He screws over people who he sees as deficiently disloyal, despite them having zero reason to be 'loyal' to him to begin with. I'm sure he's do the same to North Vegas and Westside if given the chance.

quote:

Where do we put "haul up to all 14 Sierra Madre vending machines out of that hellscape, hook them up in the fortified bunker-tower with effectively unlimited clean hydroelectric power, let Mojave residents trade paper, tobacco, scrap metal, and scavenged batteries for essential food, ammunition, and medical supplies, and begin controlled introduction of Big MT tech to improve the lives of wastelanders while still being effectively immortal through their coil tech"? You still get a philosopher king, but one who can actually move humanity out of the rubble with more concern for them than "how can these insects be useful tools" and with at least a basic understanding of what social cues mean.

You have no way of getting back to the Sierra Madre, so there's only one possible vending machine to use, and it has a finite supply of coins (only so many fission batteries in the Wasteland, and people use them for powering their homes/etc.

Also, no guarantee BIG MT churns out any appreciable quality of life projects any time soon, at least by your Courier's life span. I know the ending slides say they do, but I'd be interested to see what those are exactly.

quote:

Honestly House would probably be happiest if the NCR took everything except the Strip and the dam because he clearly doesn't really care about what goes on beyond them

NCR wants the Dam. And House is smart enough to know that NCR will not settle for having an independent city in the middle of their new state. They want the Strip for taxes. House wants a buffer zone of all the surrounding territories.

Crazy Joe Wilson fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Feb 8, 2021

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Funky Valentine: Feb 26, 2014; Dojyaa~an

Hmm, I can have an army of robots who are the eyes and ears of a narcissistic lich king act as the law in my town

OR

I can pay taxes.

Tough moral choice here.

# ? Feb 8, 2021 16:26

Gaius Marius: Oct 9, 2012

The king's slide is clearly from a different draft of the game. It's completely out of character for house and doesn't line up with his goals at all. I mean dudes not nearly as vindictive towards benny and that dude nearly ruined 200+ years of planning.

# ? Feb 8, 2021 16:28

dracula vladdy AF: May 6, 2011

steinrokkan posted:

I guess "I like Mr. House" is the new way of saying "I'm socially liberal but fiscally conservative".

I don't think that backing House necessarily means someone is a neolib or whatever when you consider the context of the game. If House were a real person living now I 100% would never back him, but in the world of New Vegas specifically I can kind of see why someone would prefer him over the alternatives.

# ? Feb 8, 2021 16:30

Gaius Marius: Oct 9, 2012

Funky Valentine posted:

Hmm, I can have an army of robots who are the eyes and ears of a narcissistic lich king act as the law in my town

OR

I can pay taxes.

Tough moral choice here.

Have fun sending your son and or daughter off to fight in another forever war so the brahmin barons can prosper and kimball can win reelection

# ? Feb 8, 2021 16:31

Crazy Joe Wilson: Jul 4, 2007; Justifiably Mad!

Gaius Marius posted:

The king's slide is clearly from a different draft of the game. It's completely out of character for house and doesn't line up with his goals at all. I mean dudes not nearly as vindictive towards benny and that dude nearly ruined 200+ years of planning.

Mr. House is plenty condescending to the Courier. When you try to tell House what happened to Benny Mr. House gets all "Holier than Thou" saying you just want to brag about murdering him (Naw I just figured you might want to know what happened to your first Prot�g�). He also demands you do certain things like murder the Brotherhood of Steel, even though with all the money pouring in surely House could just hire a bunch of wasters, and put the BoS under siege with tons of Pulse mines and grenades, and otherwise ignore them (Although it would be more expensive).

House sees the NCR as both a customer and an insidious ever-present threat. Any group playing nice with them must be punished. I think it is in character, although very petty of him. But House is petty. See what he did to his brother-in-law of House H&H Tools.

# ? Feb 8, 2021 16:36

OldMemes: Sep 5, 2011; I have to go now. My planet needs me.

A robot standing there ready to stop random violence is no different from a militia member or MP there to prevent violence. The problem would be asking robots to make complex decisions on law and order....which is what the Yes Men ending does. Under Yes Man, even if the Strip doesn't fall, it'll be a holiday resort for the NCR, and nothing more, when it can be used by House to help the Mojave. If House and the NCR could work together, that would be the best ending. But that still wouldn't solve the NCR's expansion issues. I know the option for House to surrender in exchange for his own safety, and to keep the strip as his property was planned, but cut.

I do think his ending slides clash a bit with his depiction in the game. It seems like he wouldn't have any interest in Freeside apart from "having robots to stop people mugging and killing random travellers" and as a place to recruit workers from. The Kings seem like they'd give up, since they're more play acting at being in charge than actually being in charge, so killing them all seems out of character.

Plus Sarah and Swank like House, and they're the only two good people on the Strip :colbert:

# ? Feb 8, 2021 16:36

Gaius Marius: Oct 9, 2012

The brotherhood is an existential threat to him though. They're one of the only factions completely ideologically opposed to him, and with enough tech know how and heavy enough equipment to truly challenge his securitron army.

It's like being mad at the NCR for attacking the legion.

# ? Feb 8, 2021 16:40

Funky Valentine: Feb 26, 2014; Dojyaa~an

Gaius Marius posted:

Have fun sending your son and or daughter off to fight in another forever war so the brahmin barons can prosper and kimball can win reelection

Have fun getting knocked over by raiders because you didn't pay House's protection money, you're not on the main route to Vegas, and you've been saying his snowglobes look like poo poo within earshot of the securitrons.

# ? Feb 8, 2021 16:41

OldMemes: Sep 5, 2011; I have to go now. My planet needs me.

Yeah in real life, I wouldn't back House, but in the Fallout universe, and the context of the game's setting, he makes the best argument.

House didn't care about the Followers trying to bug his machines - he says that he finds their curiosity endearing and isn't mad if the player admits to doing it. He also respects the Courier as soon as you prove yourself competent. He actually treats you like a valued employee, not a lackey like the NCR or Legion.

OldMemes fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Feb 8, 2021

# ? Feb 8, 2021 16:45

Crazy Joe Wilson: Jul 4, 2007; Justifiably Mad!

OldMemes posted:

Plus Sarah and Swank like House, and they're the only two good people on the Strip

Both of them are employees of House. Swanck I'll give you respects him, Sarah is still mad about what he did to Vault 21.

... I really wish the Sarah Weintraub companion mod wasn't so complicated because it is an awesome idea, just takes too long to be worth it.

# ? Feb 8, 2021 16:50

NikkolasKing: Apr 3, 2010

I'm surprised House has only two robotic sex slaves.

But seriously, ignoring his egomania and very questionable sanity, House is just really bad at what he does. This is not a case of "well, at least he's really competent benevolent dictator." Pretty much all of House's underlings are betraying him. Whether it was his hand-picked successor Benny or you in 3/4 routes or the Omertas and probably the White Gloves, nobody really likes House and many are actively trying to undermine him.

Even if we accept both the premise that House is a super genius and super geniuses should rule, he's still just one man and no one person, no matter how competent, can do everything. House just plain doesn't understand or like people and that's kind of a huge problem. It's pretty clear he's a foil to Caesar with Caesar having fanatical loyalists while House is all alone in his coffin with everyone around him trying to bring him down.

Kimball sucks but he's going to be voted out of office. Who is gonna vote out House?

NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Feb 8, 2021

# ? Feb 8, 2021 16:50

Father Wendigo: Sep 28, 2005; This is, sadly, more important to me than bettering myself.

Funky Valentine posted:

Honestly House would probably be happiest if the NCR took everything except the Strip and the dam because he clearly doesn't really care about what goes on beyond them.

House has ambitions that are going to require more land and people at some point. He probably recognizes that, but since he strives to operate methodically and maintain things meticulously it's going to happen at a snail's pace.

# ? Feb 8, 2021 16:51

chaosapiant: Oct 10, 2012; White Line Fever

Gaius Marius posted:

The king's slide is clearly from a different draft of the game. It's completely out of character for house and doesn't line up with his goals at all. I mean dudes not nearly as vindictive towards benny and that dude nearly ruined 200+ years of planning.

I mean, I guess you could override what the game shows us with your own brain canon, but if that's the case, why argue the point at all?

# ? Feb 8, 2021 16:52

OldMemes: Sep 5, 2011; I have to go now. My planet needs me.

That's why I said House needs a good karma Courier to give him some perspective. He could use his ability to broadcast to have more "face" to face conversations with employees, for example.

He's also picked some terrible people to employ, like Benny, the Omertas and most of the White Gloves. House's people skills have eroded over the years.

# ? Feb 8, 2021 16:53

Funky Valentine: Feb 26, 2014; Dojyaa~an

House thought that taking a tribe of serial killers and teaching them about the mafia would end well, the man clearly is not that smart.

# ? Feb 8, 2021 16:56

rope kid: Feb 3, 2001; Warte nur! Balde
Ruhest du auch.

OldMemes posted:

A robot standing there ready to stop random violence is no different from a militia member or MP there to prevent violence. The problem would be asking robots to make complex decisions on law and order

# ? Feb 8, 2021 16:56

SkyeAuroline: Nov 12, 2020

chaosapiant posted:

I mean, I guess you could override what the game shows us with your own brain canon, but if that's the case, why argue the point at all?

Same reason why the DLCs completely change the outcome of Wild Card (even if several posters seem to be treating all of the DLC as non canon) - pointing out and attempting to reconcile internal inconsistencies in the game is worthwhile and sometimes the answer genuinely is "the developers did this, then added new things and never went back to change the old ones", and acknowledging that is useful for establishing the limits of what the game can accurately tell us.

House's actions with the Kings in his endings fly directly in conflict with the entirety of House's dialog, all of the scenes involving the Kings, and every bit of game material except those three ending slides. They show a completely different House with a completely different relationship with Freeside and Vegas from even the rest of the ending slides, let alone the games. At some point you have to look at the material and go "no, this doesn't add up, what does all of the evidence building up to these events point to"?

# ? Feb 8, 2021 16:58

No Wave: Sep 18, 2005; HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

You're forced to blow up the brotherhood to get those endings so I don't think it's out of nowhere. It's not like House murders them in their sleep, he makes an ultimatum and they reject it so they all die fighting. It doesn't seem out of character for House to be stubborn.

It may be out of character for the Kings to just choose to die but I'm not an expert on them.

No Wave fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Feb 8, 2021

# ? Feb 8, 2021 17:05

Gaius Marius: Oct 9, 2012

chaosapiant posted:

I mean, I guess you could override what the game shows us with your own brain canon, but if that's the case, why argue the point at all?

Why would house want a faction he's not allied with to attack his best customers in one of the only two entrances to his establishment. I'll take the word of ninety nine percent of the game over some incoherent ending slide.

To nikkolaskings point. Arguing that house is incompetent is pointless by measure of competency only caeser ranks above a zero. The NCR is filled with more holes than swiss cheese, is massively overstretched, is involved with multiple wars on différent fronts, and despite a tactical and technological edge can't win a single battle without the couriers help. Even if kimball is replaced the military is still filled with dopes like general oliver trying to ride glory into political power. And the issues go beyond that with the systemic abuse of power by the brahmin barons.

Counting the courier betraying him as a flaw is ridiculous as the courier betrays 3/4 of the factions every playthrough. Also there's nothing to suggest he's in any way mentally unsound. And if he becomes so the courier can just unplug him.

Also I don't see how robert house trying to take over his brothers company is all that vindictive when anthony is the one who cut him out of the will in the first place. Anthony could've just cashed out, or not been a dick to house and been fine.

# ? Feb 8, 2021 17:16

SkyeAuroline: Nov 12, 2020

No Wave posted:

You're forced to blow up the brotherhood to get those endings so I don't think it's out of nowhere. It's not like House murders them in their sleep, he makes an ultimatum and they reject it so they all die fighting. It doesn't seem out of character for House to be stubborn.

It may be out of character for the Kings to just choose to die but I'm not an expert on them.

Except that's... not how it goes down for 2 out of 3 and only partly accurate to the third, missing major context.

House, who is very careful not to antagonize the NCR so much that they won't come to NV and put their money in his economy:

quote:

(Escalated GIB, THAW end)
During the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, some Kings took it upon themselves to launch several attacks on NCR citizens and soldiers around Freeside. Mr. House looked on these actions favorably, seeing them as proof of The Kings' loyalty to New Vegas, and decided to leave them alone.

House, who is very adamant that he will not send Securitrons in to disrupt the balance of Vegas, has been hands-off with Freeside since its start, and does not even touch the people there, along with again actively wanting NCR presence in Vegas:

quote:

(Peace GIB, deal KG, THAW)
Accusing The Kings of lying with a foreign invader for their newfound ties to the NCR, Mr. House punished them by ordering their forced removal. The Kings, defiant to the end, were destroyed to the last man by House's Securitrons.

See above:

quote:

(Incomplete GIB, THAW)
Flush with his victory, Mr. House sent Securitrons into Freeside, thinking to increase his control over the area. When fighting broke out, The Kings fought valiantly, but were no match for the armored killing machines, and were wiped out to the last man.

None of these track with his demonstrated behavior since coming out of the coma or during the game itself.

# ? Feb 8, 2021 17:17

steinrokkan: Apr 2, 2011; Soiled Meat

BUT TAXES! BUREAUCRATIC OVERREACH! WHOS JOHN GALT!

# ? Feb 8, 2021 17:18

Crazy Joe Wilson: Jul 4, 2007; Justifiably Mad!

Pros and Cons of Each Ending:

Mr. House:
Pros: He's most indigenous to the region, he claims he's not interested in legislating or controlling local people, only building an economic base to then re-start the tech sector. In most ending slides leaves communities of Mojave alone.
Cons: Kills the Kings out of pettiness, treats Primm petty, murders the Brotherhood. Does little to alleviate or better the situations in Freeside, Westside, North Vegas, or Fiend Territory (Only interested in the Strip, capital accumulation for tech sector).

NCR:
Pros: Society governed by laws, nominal practicing Democracy. Largest and most powerful post-war state. Attempts to guarantee justice and fairness toward all. Most ending slides if orchestrated by Courier treat Mojave groups fairly and justly.
Cons: Engaged in a morally-corrupting Imperialist venture. Heavy tax burden may harm Mojave residents. Victory in Mojave may encourage future Imperialism. Takes a lot of Courier intervention to get NCR living up to its ideals.

Caesar's Legion:
Pros: Murders all raiders and maintains peace for what towns it allows to survive. Caesar's interesting to talk to?
Cons: Murders anyone who get in their way. Hell, murders, enslaves, and abuses people for Caesar's vision of the future. Will DEFINITELY continue to expand if given the chance.

Yes-Man:
Pros: It's whatever you want it to be
Cons: It's whatever you want it to be. Also, lotta chaos in Freeside (Arcade sad emoji).

# ? Feb 8, 2021 17:24

Drakyn: Dec 26, 2012

SkyeAuroline posted:

Except that's... not how it goes down for 2 out of 3 and only partly accurate to the third, missing major context.

House, who is very careful not to antagonize the NCR so much that they won't come to NV and put their money in his economy:

House, who is very adamant that he will not send Securitrons in to disrupt the balance of Vegas, has been hands-off with Freeside since its start, and does not even touch the people there, along with again actively wanting NCR presence in Vegas:

See above:

None of these track with his demonstrated behavior since coming out of the coma or during the game itself.

I'm earnestly not trying to make this come off as needlessly antagonistic, but your complaint seems to be that the guy who tried not to pick fights when he all he had was a bunch of underpowered robots changing his diplomatic stance when he acquired a giant army of overpowered robots is inconsistent. I think it's deeply believable. House was a callously violent jackass to the little people around him when it was convenient to him and he could get away with it , when his position was precarious and the people around him weren't so little he played it low and slow... and then the moment he could get away with it again hey look, he's a callously violent jackass if it's convenient.

# ? Feb 8, 2021 17:27

Gaius Marius: Oct 9, 2012

His entire plan still relies around the NCR visiting vegas. Why would he encourage violence on his doorstep.

# ? Feb 8, 2021 17:30

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# ? Jun 10, 2024 09:31

SkyeAuroline: Nov 12, 2020

Yeah, Marius hit it - he's still being a callous jackass as an underdog in these endings, because he has no economy without the NCR. He's going out of his way to endanger Vegas with the Kings by encouraging the anti-NCR sentiment and even killings. Do all House's jobs for him and he is still completely reliant on NCR tourists to fund anything. He's callously violent but he's not stupid enough to dismantle 200 years of plans after succeeding over a run-down school full of Elvis cultists.

# ? Feb 8, 2021 17:34

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