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I always thought received wisdom was NEVER accept a caution, as it's just used by the police as an easy way to deal with someone without going through the hassle of a formal charge, particularly in cases of protests and civil disobedience etc.
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The Perfect Element posted:I always thought received wisdom was NEVER accept a caution, as it's just used by the police as an easy way to deal with someone without going through the hassle of a formal charge, particularly in cases of protests and civil disobedience etc. What do you lose by receiving a caution, though? (honest question, not trying to be smart) It sounds like by turning one down you'd be gambling that the plod can't be bothered pinning a charge on you.
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Feb 8, 2021 21:49
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The difference between a formal & an informal caution, ime, is that a formal caution is a thing they pressure you into in order to impose criminal sanctions without any pesky judicial system getting in the way, whereas an informal caution is what they call it when they just want to steal your weed Never accept a formal caution without advice (unless, like, you're obviously bang to rights), but informal cautions are fine I never even got any paperwork or anything for informal cautions, they just stole my weed (this is not serious law posting btw, I know I do that sometimes but I don't know poo poo about the criminal justice system) E: Gort posted:What do you lose by receiving a caution, though? (honest question, not trying to be smart) Borrovan fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Feb 8, 2021 |
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Feb 8, 2021 22:08
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If I accepted a caution for something I didn't do - just to make the filth go away - it would show up on any DBS checks run on me in the future, and potentially mean I could never get work in my chosen profession again (although that would probably depend on the nature of the offense). If what you're being accused of is horseshit, then make the cunts work for whatever bullshit they want to slap you with.
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Feb 8, 2021 22:13
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Gort posted:What do you lose by receiving a caution, though? (honest question, not trying to be smart) If you accept one and want to go to the us on holiday you need to declare it and then your esta or whatever it's called will be rejected requiring you to go to the us embassy for an interview. Based on what's happened to friends who had them
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Feb 8, 2021 22:18
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Miftan posted:I mean that's just a really poo poo system tbh. "Either you let us lie about you and put it on your file or we give you an even bigger file as a trouble maker" We found our previous performance metrics based along woolly principles of right and wrong really weren't giving us the outcomes we desired. McKinsey spent 18 months with us working through their multi-step values orientation programme and we discovered that we aren't about delivering justice, our core mission is coercion and our goal is to be the key provider to everyone in the country. Our new metrics are now actionably aligned to maximising performance against that key business driver. The change has been amazing. Our clients tell us again and again that they can't get enough of our services and happily sign up their friends and family members. If they don't we help them down the staircase to the cells a few more times and they soon change their minds.
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Feb 8, 2021 22:20
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Don't you just hate it when you're having a rant on facebook and your browser freezes for 20 minutes so it looks as if you're too scared to answer whatever point you are in the middle of ranting about and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it?
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Feb 8, 2021 22:23
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I find you can overcome that unfair impression by calling the other person a dogfucker in your response. While it can't make you seem keen it can certainly compensate for that with commitment.
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Feb 8, 2021 22:26
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Jose posted:If you accept one and want to go to the us on holiday you need to declare it and then your esta or whatever it's called will be rejected requiring you to go to the us embassy for an interview. It depends when you got it and what it's for. https://davieslegal.com/news/approach-caution-frequently-asked-questions-effect-cautions-admissibility-u-s/
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Feb 8, 2021 22:33
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A lot of the time if you refuse the caution they'll just let you go scott free, because they know that the CPS would piss themselves at the idea of charging you. As always, get a solicitor for any planned interaction with the police if you at all can, and take their advice.
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Feb 8, 2021 22:50
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That and CPS barely has the funds to go after actual crimes at the moment, let alone whatever police are threatening you with a caution over.
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Feb 8, 2021 22:53
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Jose posted:If you accept one and want to go to the us on holiday you need to declare it and then your esta or whatever it's called will be rejected requiring you to go to the us embassy for an interview. That depends what the caution is for, if it's a "crime of moral turpitude" you must declare it, for others you don't.
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Feb 8, 2021 23:05
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It's going to be so cool when the US drug war finally collapses.
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quote:It's going to be so cool when the US finally collapses.
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Lungboy posted:That depends what the caution is for, if it's a "crime of moral turpitude" you must declare it, for others you don't. I don't need a conviction to fail this test.
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Feb 8, 2021 23:11
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Is moral turpitude what they used to paint the sistine chapel?
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OwlFancier posted:Is moral turpitude what they used to paint the sistine chapel? Given how the Catholic Church makes its money, yes.
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WhatEvil posted:Interesting that the only 2 still basically sound, reasonably high profile comedians - Chris Morris and Stu Lee - came through the same show. Frankie Boyle (post-Mock the Week), Mark Steele, Romesh Ranganathan
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OwlFancier posted:Is moral turpitude what they used to paint the sistine chapel? No, it what they use to clean mortal sin.
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Tesseraction posted:Frankie Boyle (post-Mock the Week), Mark Steele, Romesh Ranganathan Nish is generally good too isn't he?
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Feb 9, 2021 00:39
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All the comedians who’ve appeared on the Bugle are generally sound, though Andy seems to be slipping into liberalism
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Total Meatlove posted:All the comedians who’ve appeared on the Bugle are generally sound, though Andy seems to be slipping into liberalism The Bugle was always pretty liberal.
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Feb 9, 2021 00:51
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James Acaster seems to be one of the good guys and I heartily recommend his 'Cold Lasagne Hate Myself 1999' thing which is available in places.
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lol https://twitter.com/GeorgeAylett/status/1358935271383957504?s=20
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Feb 9, 2021 01:42
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Sara Pascoe seems pretty good too
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TheRat posted:Sara Pascoe seems pretty good too She really isn’t.
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Feb 9, 2021 01:53
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Comrade Fakename posted:She really isn’t. What's she done? I vaguely remember another comedian once alluding to her secretly being a poo poo.
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Feb 9, 2021 02:01
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If the last five years have taught me anything, it's to assume that all the entertainers, presenters, authors and comedians are massive shitheads until proven otherwise.
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Feb 9, 2021 02:59
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Have some Japanese grandpa metal to entertain you through the night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbI79e5iZKs
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Boyle endorsed Baddiel's book and Acaster had Jessflaps on his podcast.
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Comrade Fakename posted:She really isn’t. Oh no, how come? I really enjoyed one of her shows.
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Feb 9, 2021 04:30
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stev posted:Nish is generally good too isn't he? stev posted:What's [Sarah Pascoe] done? I vaguely remember another comedian once alluding to her secretly being a poo poo. Boyle and her also went along completely with Baddiel when he was on, and it seemed very much in the vein of 'If Frankie's going to be rude about the conservatives then someone has to be rude about Corbyn as well."
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Feb 9, 2021 04:39
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Tesseraction posted:Frankie Boyle (post-Mock the Week), Mark Steele, Romesh Ranganathan Steel has been melting pretty hard lately. https://twitter.com/mrmarksteel/status/1346488164999962625?s=20 Pascoe said some sneering shite about Corbyn I seem to remember? Boyle sticks in my mind as a bit of a prick. Think he said something about young Corbynites being a problem on twitter which he's since deleted. Nish Kumar is good though far as I can tell, yeah.
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Feb 9, 2021 06:01
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Entertainment selects for arseholes just as efficiently as politics, in almost the same way - the Footlights>BBC pipeline makes it almost impossible for the non-posh to break into TV, and most of the other ways involve being picked up by the right agent - there's a reason why the same dozen or so comics completely dominate the panel show circuit and it's certainly got nothing at all to do with their ability. (This isn't a new thing of course - Off The Kerb are now just where Hat Trick used to be, Hat Trick replaced the slightly looser coalition around the Comedy Store, who replaced Lew Grade, and so on) It's notable that things have got a lot, lot worse since Malcolm Hardee died and the top level of the London standup circuit is dominated by clubs utterly devoted to the American "tight 15" style - the only outlet for anyone wanting to do anything that's not honed to razor-sharpness is the rather smaller improv circuit and even improv people hate improv people.
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Those 3 guys from the last leg were also laying into Corbyn unchecked IIRC. I often wonder if most of these comedians are just trying to be apolitical and popular and as a result repeat whatever bollocks is popularly trending (like laying into Corbyn) to stay relevant. I thought it was kind of taking the piss on that show as they generally imply they're well read or researched on subjects.
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Feb 9, 2021 09:49
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stev posted:What's she done? I vaguely remember another comedian once alluding to her secretly being a poo poo. Like others have said when she was on Boyle's show she was the peak "haha innit funny tories and labour are just as bad as each other corbyns poo poo isn't he lol"
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Feb 9, 2021 09:53
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Kin posted:Those 3 guys from the last leg were also laying into Corbyn unchecked IIRC. The idea of only implying you're well read but just rehashing boring shite is in itself quite funny to me lol.
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Feb 9, 2021 10:04
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jeremy corBIN aha! like the dustBIN of history which is where the old 1970s commie anti-semite belongs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL 
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Feb 9, 2021 10:20
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The last leg is peak liberal the truth is somewhere in the middle, beyond even south park. It had some decent moments, but when they shifted from Paralympic coverage to general politics it got bad. I believe that Matt fford is a writer so that explains a lot.
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