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Some Guy TT posted:to be clear this ramseyer guy is very wrong but this womans making the exact kind of overly broad statement that his kind of people like to argue against the japanese did the comfort women war crimes to deal with the specific problem of venereal disease in the military they didnt do it just to be assholes and making it an argument about intent is exactly what the japanese nationalists want because its a much higher burden of proof than just looking at what actually happened Yeah, just to add there were Japanese comfort women but they were less common due to a number of factors. Korea was a central location for women for the program due to a lack of economic opportunities there, most in Korea were enticed with fake job offers for factory work, and the fact that Korea was under a military governorship, as opposed to a civilian one, made it easier for the military to act with impunity in terms of scamming young women. It was abhorrent but everything involving the Imperial Japanese military was and the comfort women were just another example of the brutality and casual disregard for human life that was the day to day goings on of the Imperial Japanese military.
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Feb 8, 2021 16:49
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cool thread. strange how a bunch of massive criminal enterprises follow wherever american regime change tentacles go https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1357690240111050752
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Feb 8, 2021 17:35
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Some Guy TT posted:to be clear this ramseyer guy is very wrong but this womans making the exact kind of overly broad statement that his kind of people like to argue against the japanese did the comfort women war crimes to deal with the specific problem of venereal disease in the military they didnt do it just to be assholes and making it an argument about intent is exactly what the japanese nationalists want because its a much higher burden of proof than just looking at what actually happened RocknRollaAyatollah posted:Yeah, just to add there were Japanese comfort women but they were less common due to a number of factors. Korea was a central location for women for the program due to a lack of economic opportunities there, most in Korea were enticed with fake job offers for factory work, and the fact that Korea was under a military governorship, as opposed to a civilian one, made it easier for the military to act with impunity in terms of scamming young women. It was abhorrent but everything involving the Imperial Japanese military was and the comfort women were just another example of the brutality and casual disregard for human life that was the day to day goings on of the Imperial Japanese military. reminder stephenthinkpad posted:Let me remind some people the Nazis didn't originally intend to kill all the Jews. They wanted to maximize the use of the Jew labor by kept them working while gave them the minimal amount of food https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/netanyahu-absolves-hitler-of-guilt-1.5411578 Netanyahu: Hitler Didn't Want to Exterminate the Jews Prime minister tells World Zionist Congress that Hitler only wanted to expel the Jews, but Jerusalem's Grand Mufti convinced him to exterminate them, a claim that was rejected by most accepted Holocaust scholars. occams razor? pisssssssssssss
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Feb 9, 2021 01:21
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it's insanely funny to me, that israel is trying to work with and rehabilitate nazis in tyool 2021 what could possibly go wrong lmfao
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Feb 9, 2021 04:50
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Maximo Roboto posted:Galaxy Brain: the U.S. should pivot to a pro-North Korean policy to contain China this is really the best strategic option for both settling the north korea issues and putting an enemy on China's border
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Feb 9, 2021 05:09
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someone recommended this to me and seems relevant to this thread. note that i haven't watched it yet or dunno who this guy is or how reliable the info in this is, so check it out at your own risk ‘Operation Gladio B’--the continuation of the old NATO Gladio program--covers a tangled web of covert operatives, billionaire Imams, drug running, prison breaks and terror strikes. Its goal: the destabilization of Central Asia and the Caucasus. In this presentation to Studium Generale in Groningen on November 19, 2014, James Corbett lifts the lid on this operation, its covert operatives, and the secret battle for the Eurasian heartland. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q0qau8f0w8 edit: looks like this channel went full nutbag in the last few years, never mind mila kunis has issued a correction as of 07:49 on Feb 9, 2021 |
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Feb 9, 2021 05:11
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Truga posted:it's insanely funny to me, that israel is trying to work with and rehabilitate nazis in tyool 2021
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Feb 9, 2021 05:25
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:to the elites of israel, practically nothing, stoking antisemitism across the world will theoretically drive more jewish people to emigrate to israel or, yknow, antisemites will decide to do the other thing
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Feb 9, 2021 05:29
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indigi posted:or, yknow, antisemites will decide to do the other thing the other thing will happen to the jews outside israel and they're a sacrifice israel is willing to make
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Feb 9, 2021 09:15
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Antonymous posted:same but yemen & USA+Saudi I do feel kinda helpless since basically every alliance is busy doing a genocide and there's not really a weight to stop it. Iran is not going to stop Saudi Arabia since they're getting billions in Lockheed and Raytheon weapons and the US is not going to do anything besides the right tut-tutting about Uyghurs to score political points while enthusiastically taking notes so they can figure out how to do genocide better when they get the chance again. India is spinning up to do something like that too. gently caress man.
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Feb 9, 2021 11:49
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what’s going on with the Uyghurs is inarguably bad, but it isn’t genocide
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Feb 9, 2021 16:50
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indigi posted:what’s going on with the Uyghurs is inarguably bad, but it isn’t genocide gently caress yeah, i think we have an incoming genocide definition debate here
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Feb 9, 2021 17:01
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So is Myanmar part of US China proxy war?
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Feb 9, 2021 17:02
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Crowsbeak posted:So is Myanmar part of US China proxy war? "always has been"
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Feb 9, 2021 17:03
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gradenko_2000 posted:"always has been" I mean the current coup situation.
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Feb 9, 2021 17:10
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Crowsbeak posted:I mean the current coup situation. Yes, the US has tacitly approved a coup to topple a democratically elected civilian government that got a little too friendly with China.
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Feb 9, 2021 17:16
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Crowsbeak posted:I mean the current coup situation. No, because China bet on both Aung San Suu Kyi and the military. China arguable bet on Suu Kyi more, see Xi's visit to Myanmar early last year during pandemic. I think only the liberal part of the West care about the Myanmar protest. And the left don't even care about the struggle in Thailand.
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Feb 9, 2021 17:32
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are they still doing that hunger games salute itd be easier to cheer them on if i didnt have to cringe every time i see them
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Feb 9, 2021 17:40
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indigi posted:what’s going on with the Uyghurs is inarguably bad, but it isn’t genocide https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWa0dZMHYeE
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Feb 9, 2021 17:42
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Some Guy TT posted:are they still doing that hunger games salute itd be easier to cheer them on if i didnt have to cringe every time i see them Yeah, the salute has been spreaded to Myanmar. They also copy the black shirt thing from HK.
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Feb 9, 2021 17:57
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indigi posted:what’s going on with the Uyghurs is inarguably bad, but it isn’t genocide this is technically correct but when westerners see collective punishment against a single ethnic group their own history tells them there's only one way that will end plus why not use the biggest bad word for something bad that foreigners are doing, who's feelings are you trying to spare? A billion people's you say? well they don't post on reddit so Antonymous has issued a correction as of 18:50 on Feb 9, 2021 |
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Feb 9, 2021 18:47
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I'm not saying that the internment camps aren't extremely inhumane and condemnable I just never saw evidence China is trying to exterminate the uighur people & I don't think there is any. No one cares! let's just call it genocide! It's a bad thing lets call it the most big bad word why try to understand evil!
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Feb 9, 2021 18:53
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Well Xi's no Wang the "Beard", that's for sure. I've only ever heard the story about Uygur mothers told by other Han, never from any actual Uygurs.
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Feb 9, 2021 19:10
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The Indian crackdown on critical media continues https://twitter.com/vijayprashad/status/1359067852410671108?s=20 https://twitter.com/AJENews/status/1359044575927615495?s=20 The pro-Modi memes aren't good enough on their own I guess https://twitter.com/KreatelyMedia/status/1357977772455460864?s=20
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Feb 9, 2021 19:14
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stephenthinkpad posted:Yeah, the salute has been spreaded to Myanmar. They also copy the black shirt thing from HK. At least no Pepe
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Feb 9, 2021 19:38
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do we have any primary source evidence of the nature of the camps that doesn't come from Zenz, interviews with the same 6 dissidents (that have substantially changed their story) or the very sketch Xinjiang Victims Database? there's too much smoke. reminds me a lot of the Syria gas stuff
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Feb 9, 2021 19:44
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KaptainKrunk posted:do we have any primary source evidence of the nature of the camps that doesn't come from Zenz, interviews with the same 6 dissidents (that have substantially changed their story) or the very sketch Xinjiang Victims Database? reminds me of the iraq wmd thing
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Feb 9, 2021 19:46
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closest analog is the Nayirah testimony
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Feb 9, 2021 19:47
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KaptainKrunk posted:do we have any primary source evidence of the nature of the camps that doesn't come from Zenz, interviews with the same 6 dissidents (that have substantially changed their story) or the very sketch Xinjiang Victims Database? What is sketch about the Xinjiang Victims Database?
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Feb 9, 2021 19:59
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One of these days I'm going to actually read Zenz's reports and see what evidence he has for claims like... saying every cotton worker in Xinjiang is a chattel slave. I just can't bring myself to do it yet, however
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Feb 9, 2021 20:06
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Chomskyan posted:What is sketch about the Xinjiang Victims Database? I'll try to find it but there's a pretty good twitter thing pointing out a lot of weird inconsistences. It also seems to mix in legitimate victims with people credibly accused of murder. KaptainKrunk has issued a correction as of 20:11 on Feb 9, 2021 |
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Feb 9, 2021 20:09
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KaptainKrunk posted:do we have any primary source evidence of the nature of the camps that doesn't come from Zenz, interviews with the same 6 dissidents (that have substantially changed their story) or the very sketch Xinjiang Victims Database? AFP uncovered bulk orders of tazers, handcuffs, and spiked batons going to the camps. You know, normal school supplies: https://www.afp.com/en/inside-chinas-internment-camps-tear-gas-tasers-and-textbooks Buzzfeed interviewed 28 former detainees: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/alison_killing/china-ex-prisoners-horrors-xinjiang-camps-uighurs CNN interviews a former camp teacher on the systemic abuses witnessed: https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/09/asia/xinjiang-china-kazakhstan-detention-intl/index.html
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Feb 9, 2021 20:28
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So Buzzfeed, CNN, and AFP? Stalwarts of objectivity. I need an agency or organization without a history of association with the US, either directly or as acting as a propaganda multiplier.
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Feb 9, 2021 20:32
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KaptainKrunk posted:So Buzzfeed, CNN, and AFP? Stalwarts of objectivity. Alrighty, which media outlets do you feel fit that description?
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Feb 9, 2021 20:35
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je1 healthcare posted:Alrighty, which media outlets do you feel fit that description? Grayzone, Intercept, truly independent organizations without a dog in the fight, Marxist news outlets or journals with serious credentials of anti-imperialism who aren't concern trolling or using whatever is happening there for geopolitical ends.
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Feb 9, 2021 20:48
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The Intercept sat for years on the leaked Snowden document that showed Saudi Arabian officials issuing orders to Syrian rebels. It only came out after the war in Syria had shifted enough that it was mostly irrelevant.
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Feb 9, 2021 20:54
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you'd figure that with all the surveillance power ~the west~ has at its disposal it'd be easy to show the genocidal concentration camps, the mass graves, etc. it took like a week for public satellites to find iran's corona graves, and military probably has that data within the hour instead we keep getting witnesses that are connected to us state dept or falun gong, and a goon pixel hunting mosques on google earth  maybe there is a genocide going on, but i'd like to see some loving evidence lmfao
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Feb 9, 2021 20:57
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everyone was issuing orders to the rebels though
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Feb 9, 2021 20:59
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It’s worth noting that even Zenz himself isn’t accusing China of having death camps. From an interview he gave last year: https://www.npr.org/2020/07/04/887239225/china-suppression-of-uighur-minorities-meets-u-n-definition-of-genocide-report-s?t=1612900739995 quote:SIMON: People need to be careful using the word genocide. Why do you think it's justified and important to use it now?
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Feb 9, 2021 21:04
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Atrocious Joe posted:The Intercept sat for years on the leaked Snowden document that showed Saudi Arabian officials issuing orders to Syrian rebels. It only came out after the war in Syria had shifted enough that it was mostly irrelevant. They've also gone all in on the russiagate stuff, and I recently saw that their podcast put out an episode about the uyghur reeducation camps. They're still okay on domestic things but lol.
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