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It is surreal to see 4chan discussed on the floor of congress - and not only on the floor of congress, but in an impeachment trial. And it's completely relevant. I mean, in some sense, it's actually accurate to say: 1. SomethingAwful kicks out a bunch of anime weirdos 2. Time passes 3. The United States Capitol is overrun by a mob threatening to lynch politicians Chimp_On_Stilts fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Feb 10, 2021 |
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Feb 10, 2021 21:16
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Craptacular! posted:I wish Democrats would realize that shaming members of Congress by name on Twitter should not be an act of intimidation worthy of impeachment, but how poo poo is going to get done going forward. But a twitter rebuke is worthless unless you have no moral fortitude at all. If you have a scintilla of belief in the righteousness of your own actions an aggressive tweet isn't even worth acknowledging. "Oh, the president tweeted at me? Yeah, he tweets a lot of stuff" Your version of government only works if you elect complete turds. Which, is why it seems to work so well on Republicans I guess.
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Feb 10, 2021 21:20
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Chimp_On_Stilts posted:It is surreal to see 4chan discussed on the floor of congress - and not only on the floor of congress, but in an impeachment trial. 
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Feb 10, 2021 21:21
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This is loving damming.
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Feb 10, 2021 21:22
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Rabble posted:This is loving damming. Maybe for those of us who can’t watch because we’re at work and get to catch up sporadically it could be expected to write out what is damning?
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Feb 10, 2021 21:26
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Earth posted:Maybe for those of us who can’t watch because we’re at work and get to catch up sporadically it could be expected to write out what is damning? Pretty much point by point the house impeachment managers, imo, are doing a fantastic job of laying out point by point systematically showing Trump's history of comments at rallies, interviews - and of course, tweets - as well as the organization of the rally/attack on Jan 6.
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Feb 10, 2021 21:31
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OwlFancier posted:I am suggesting that, pretty evidently I think, this is the most effective way to secure your political goals, because this mixture of fear and shared goals combined with an absolute disregard for the rules other than insofar as they can be weaponized to achieve their goals, is why the republicans (and right wingers of all stripes) get their way in government. Both their representatives and their base understand that it is purely about power, about getting what you want by any means available. i don't think 'fear of being killed by their supporters' is actually a meaningful motivation for republicans, because if it was then joe biden wouldn't be president, and there probably would've been far more republicans completely willing to do whatever they could to keep trump in power. if your thesis is that, in general, violence is a check on the political process - an extrajudicial check even - then i don't think thats particularly true in contemporary western governments, because the disparity to commit violence between the state and non-state actors is so large. what i do think that is that republicans are still concerned about political consequences - even if the overt message from the trump lobby is to not-so-subtly threaten physical violence. this dumb coup aside, there is every little evidence that there is a capacity or interest in killing politicians to enact political will. this isn't the 1700s where an angry peasant mob can realistically string up a noble, or even where a militia can seriously threaten a standing military (where one exists). now that isn't to say that what happened in january wasn't a coup attempt - it was - its to say that that coup attempt was doomed to fail from the start, and that violence against state actors is not a meaningful check in 2021, or even the cheat code you seem to think it is. and if we're looking at things from beyond the frame of the trump presidency, violence against politicans has been much more of a feature of american history outside of the last forty years - and has only become less so recently. Owlspiracy fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Feb 10, 2021 |
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Feb 10, 2021 21:31
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Chimp_On_Stilts posted:It is surreal to see 4chan discussed on the floor of congress - and not only on the floor of congress, but in an impeachment trial. You're forgetting the interim where an SA poster died working for the government overseas and it resulted in Donald Trump becoming president.
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Feb 10, 2021 21:31
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Earth posted:Maybe for those of us who can’t watch because we’re at work and get to catch up sporadically it could be expected to write out what is damning? Basically they are quoting his tweets, quoting his speeches, and quoting what his followers have said online. I mean goddamn there really is no way that Trump shouldn't be impeached when you look at just the info. But the GOP are spineless and it won't happen.
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Feb 10, 2021 21:32
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Earth posted:Maybe for those of us who can’t watch because we’re at work and get to catch up sporadically it could be expected to write out what is damning? What other's have said. The impeachment managers have walked step by step through Trump's conduct over 2020 to prime his supporters for the Jan6th insurrection.
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Feb 10, 2021 21:34
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Such a strong case that has no chance of being successful. A little surreal.
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Feb 10, 2021 21:39
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Xombie posted:You're forgetting the interim where an SA poster died working for the government overseas and it resulted in Donald Trump becoming president. And when an SA poster/Clinton staffer (Stone...something?) asked about IT stuff in this forum and conspiracy theorists glommed onto it because clearly he was planning on erasing baby-eating emails.
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Feb 10, 2021 21:41
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Hot drat Madeleine Dean was on fire. Jesus Christ, nothing has surprised me yet as far as how loving blatant it's been, but what's killing me is that the GOP is still defending this fucker.
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Feb 10, 2021 21:44
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mikeraskol posted:Such a strong case that has no chance of being successful. A little surreal. Yeah. Like, I think part of it is definitely the subject - Ukraine vs. Jan 6 - on the two impeachments, but I think the house managers are doing a much better job this time around. But... yeah.
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Feb 10, 2021 21:45
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Earth posted:Maybe for those of us who can’t watch because we’re at work and get to catch up sporadically it could be expected to write out what is damning? Its a very concise summary of the worst of Trump's actions. - The specific language he used to incite the attack - He knew what was going on, and could have called it off, but chose not to. - All of the legal cases failed, Trump had no actual valid reason to suspect anything awry in the election - Trump set up a "no-lose" scenario long before the election results even came in - In previous cases of violence, Trump has directly voiced support on twitter for his followers, such as running cars off the road - Harrowing testimony from senators about the assualt
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Feb 10, 2021 21:47
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"This would not have happened if not for Donald Trump" was such an obvious and damning statement that I'm surprised isn't being hammered more I'm glad it was finally said plainly I'm talking specifically about making a clear causal link between his words and the actions of his supporters. So far both have been presented but the link between the two hasn't been solidified as strongly as it just was
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Feb 10, 2021 21:48
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mikeraskol posted:Such a strong case that has no chance of being successful. A little surreal. We can only hope that even if the GOP senators aren't swayed, most of the public is infuriated, and turns out more to vote against them in the next election.
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Feb 10, 2021 21:48
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jet sanchEz posted:Your country is really loving stupid. Well look we're not super happy about it either. A lot of us are completely broken and/or at the breaking point.
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Feb 10, 2021 21:50
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Zaphod42 posted:We can only hope that even if the GOP senators aren't swayed, most of the public is infuriated, and turns out more to vote against them in the next election. I think this is the only reasonable goal for this effort. Which, don't get me wrong, is worth while.
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Feb 10, 2021 21:52
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I'd kind of forgotten about since I haven't Trump's voice in like a month but one thing he always did that really grinded my gears was that pseudo dramatic trail off he's always do at the end of his sentences, usually followed by an "ok, folks?" I can't post a specific example and am not sure I'm explaining it right but hearing it again yesterday triggered me. Ok, folks?
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Feb 10, 2021 21:53
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Murgos posted:I think this is the only reasonable goal for this effort. Which, don't get me wrong, is worth while. Assuming that many people actually watch this as opposed to waiting for their local news to filter and present it to them.
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Feb 10, 2021 21:54
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Chimp_On_Stilts posted:It is surreal to see 4chan discussed on the floor of congress - and not only on the floor of congress, but in an impeachment trial. *looks at my regdate* *stares out the window for several minutes*
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Feb 10, 2021 21:54
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BiggerBoat posted:I'd kind of forgotten about since I haven't Trump's voice in like a month but one thing he always did that really grinded my gears was that pseudo dramatic trail off he's always do at the end of his sentences, usually followed by an "ok, folks?" For me it's the weird, narcissistic nonsequitors "And you'll march down Pennsylvania Avenue... I love Pennsylvania Avenue..."
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Feb 10, 2021 21:55
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Grouchio posted:4. Because the coup failed, we at SA technically saved america from itself. The coup went the way goon projects do. Failure and a few arrests.
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Feb 10, 2021 21:58
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Thank you for the details. I wish I could watch at work, but I have to work at work. biracial bear for uncut posted:Assuming that many people actually watch this as opposed to waiting for their local news to filter and present it to them. I expect this to be the majority of people's experiences. Speaking for myself as I can't watch, I get it filtered through your posting.
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Feb 10, 2021 22:05
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The image of Hawley up in the Senate gallery, relaxing with his feet up, is just loving infuriating.
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Feb 10, 2021 22:10
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mikeraskol posted:Such a strong case that has no chance of being successful. A little surreal. It's as bulletproof a case, for a charge of this sort, as you could possibly hope to make. It's loving appalling that they will acquit, and I really hope the managers say exactly as much in their closing. Call them out for the cowards they are. Tie him around their necks forever.
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Feb 10, 2021 22:10
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Earth posted:Speaking for myself as I can't watch, I get it filtered through your posting. I would highly recommend (if nothing else) you watch Stacey Pleskett, Joaquin Castro and Madeline Dean's presentations. SalTheBard fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Feb 11, 2021 |
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Feb 10, 2021 22:10
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Capitol police radio from the day of the attack. Right after Trump's speech. Previously unheard, only about a minute or so worth of audio. EDIT: now videos of the protestors at the upper barricades outside of the Capitol.
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Feb 10, 2021 22:18
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I can't say I'm comfortable with any written or oral records of saying positive things about Mike Pence.
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Feb 10, 2021 22:19
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If you can't watch, just read this tweet thread https://twitter.com/jentaub/status/1359548695038087169?s=20 https://twitter.com/jentaub/status/1359613143299870723?s=20
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Feb 10, 2021 22:19
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Lmao, the video where they are pulling the officers, someone is blowing a shofar
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Feb 10, 2021 22:20
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This is all really good evidence that the attack on the capital actually happened. Are they not going to insist that this happened only because of Trump? I feel like if I were a (R)ep I could easily make the defense that Trump had nothing to do with these people
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Feb 10, 2021 22:23
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Xander B Coolridge posted:This is all really good evidence that the attack on the capital actually happened. They already did that for the last 3 hours.
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Feb 10, 2021 22:24
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Xander B Coolridge posted:This is all really good evidence that the attack on the capital actually happened. They've been doing exactly this. They literally said that very line, "If not for Trump, the attack would not have happened." A lot of it thus far has been building the case up to this point establishing Trump inciting and calling for violence up to the day.
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Feb 10, 2021 22:25
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Xander B Coolridge posted:This is all really good evidence that the attack on the capital actually happened. It's essentially going to be the Grima Wormtongue style of defense, deflection, ignoring obvious facts, and abject dismissal.
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Feb 10, 2021 22:26
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Xander B Coolridge posted:This is all really good evidence that the attack on the capital actually happened. They've made that connection multiple times. Trump planned, encouraged, and praised them start to finish. For example, there was originally a rally planned for Jan. 22, which was changed to Jan. 6 at Trump's request.
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Xander B Coolridge posted:This is all really good evidence that the attack on the capital actually happened. They've been doing this all day . . .
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