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Nice, 'labes for days! I totally agree with the posters who recommended Astrolabe over Box. What did it give you?
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palamedes posted:'labes for days!
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Feb 11, 2021 03:13
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palamedes posted:Nice, 'labes for days! I totally agree with the posters who recommended Astrolabe over Box. What did it give you? Two strikes and a Defend into Dark Embrace+, Anger+ and Exhume+, it was massive. Exhuming Reaper helped carry me big time through the first half of act 2 until I got my hands on a Corruption.
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Feb 11, 2021 03:21
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Just had a run that was a sure Heart kill on asc 20 get ruined because I forgot to take the blue key in act 3. Hate when that happens because my brain is on autopilot at the end.
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WarpedLichen posted:Just had a run that was a sure Heart kill on asc 20 get ruined because I forgot to take the blue key in act 3. I like using the Betterpaths mod. Terrence used it on his WR A20 heart streak so it's apparently kosher with the community. Lets you highlight individual items on the map, and lets you right click to highlight every instance of a type of path. So many times I've said "oh, I can get this treasure/path/campsite... oh wait I highlighted it, why? Ohhh, I've got to get the key here." https://github.com/casey-c/sts_betterpaths Plus, planning for act 1 is now a breeze. Right click the elite icon, study the map, right click the campfires icon, study the map, choose the best route. Saves me like 1 minute per run.
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Feb 11, 2021 04:19
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I quite like lifecoach, but it's ridiculous how much energy he puts into discrediting jorbs being good at silent. Also, it was only this week that I discovered the heart is something you can do before a20. I just assumed it was an ascension thing until seeing the screenshots of people doing heart at a6 here. This is what I get for ignoring the defect as a character.
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Feb 11, 2021 07:51
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Honestly life coach might be good but he's not nearly as skilled as he thinks he is. There's a reason they have a timer in chess.
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Feb 11, 2021 07:59
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Not saying one player is better than another (and especially not based on such small samples), but the statistics are interesting: Jorbs: 34W-19L (64.2%, 53 games) for the month of January, trying to win as many games as possible across all four characters during the month Lifecoach: 46W-30L (60.5%, 76 games) at the time of writing
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Feb 11, 2021 11:07
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^^^ That's a meaningless statistic. Jorbs is playing all four characters, while LC is only playing Silent. If LC was rotating then based on his past win rates of 64/64/56/94 he'd be at 52-24 (68.4%) after 19 games with each class. Gaius Marius posted:Honestly life coach might be good but he's not nearly as skilled as he thinks he is. There's a reason they have a timer in chess. Yes, it's so games will end. Lifecoach takes his time to fully explore the game space as much as necessary and possible, but even with unlimited time you still need the skill, the knowledge and the mental discipline to do the job. Jedit fucked around with this message at 11:29 on Feb 11, 2021 |
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Feb 11, 2021 11:24
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Why is Lifecoach so bad at Defect comparatively? Like those other win percentages are really impressive but it just nosedives there. Which is super weird because most of the other major streamers have Defect as one of their better winrate characters
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Feb 11, 2021 12:09
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Jedit posted:^^^ That's a meaningless statistic. Jorbs is playing all four characters, while LC is only playing Silent. If LC was rotating then based on his past win rates of 64/64/56/94 he'd be at 52-24 (68.4%) after 19 games with each class. edit: it was in reply to one person saying "I quite like lifecoach, but it's ridiculous how much energy he puts into discrediting jorbs being good at silent" so I thought it was implicit, and also no one would compare winrates across classes like that Llamadeus fucked around with this message at 12:20 on Feb 11, 2021 |
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Feb 11, 2021 12:13
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Llamadeus posted:I don't see why they aren't comparable: those are Jorbs's silent games only, he played over 200 games that month total. You never said that it was Silent games only.
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Feb 11, 2021 12:19
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Jedit posted:^^^ That's a meaningless statistic. Jorbs is playing all four characters, while LC is only playing Silent. If LC was rotating then based on his past win rates of 64/64/56/94 he'd be at 52-24 (68.4%) after 19 games with each class.
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Feb 11, 2021 12:42
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Jedit posted:You never said that it was Silent games only.
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Feb 11, 2021 12:59
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I took it as all games, was surprised that jorbs played fewer than lifecoach, and then gave him a mental bump for switching characters
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Feb 11, 2021 14:56
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Zore posted:Why is Lifecoach so bad at Defect comparatively? LC loves to play decks that are oriented around frontloaded attack damage. He can play other styles well, but that’s usually what he WANTS to do. He tends to be bored by decks that are based around slower, more defensive play that keeps you safe until your scaling is online. He’s not too fond of poison or orbs. But again he will play these things and play them well when he thinks it’s necessary. Watcher suits him well. This is a character that wants to remove defends instead of strikes and can just blow enemies up in one or two turns in act 1 and 2.
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Feb 11, 2021 15:02
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Ya, LC plays the game, but with his own added rules on top. The man has an ethos.
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Feb 11, 2021 17:41
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Say what you will about the tennents of taking 45 minutes to choose a loving card but at least it's an ethos
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Feb 11, 2021 18:00
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I see no problem if given an unlimited amount of time to do something that someone takes as much time as they desire to math out an optimal solution. That sort of diligence is commendable. As someone mentioned the chess clock was invented for a reason. I get antsy if I stare at the card rewards from a hallway fight for more than 7 seconds.
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Feb 11, 2021 18:04
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mcvey posted:Say what you will about the tennents of taking 45 minutes to choose a loving card but at least it's an ethos Motherfucker takes longer to pick a card in a videogame than I took picking my loving mortgage.
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Feb 11, 2021 18:12
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You could spend one year between each card pick carefully mapping out every scenario possible. You'd end up with a higher winrate then coach but it wouldn't mean your more skilled, just that your more willing to throw away your life for useless streamer clout.
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Feb 11, 2021 18:15
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Yoshi Wins posted:LC loves to play decks that are oriented around frontloaded attack damage. He can play other styles well, but that’s usually what he WANTS to do. He tends to be bored by decks that are based around slower, more defensive play that keeps you safe until your scaling is online. Wait so like... his runs are 5+ hours without scaling-centric play? 
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Feb 11, 2021 18:21
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StS isn't a multiplayer game so there's no social pressure to play at a reasonable pace and there's no timer so I don't really think there's a hard cutoff point at which you can say someone is taking "too much time" BUT learning to make a decision quickly and decisively is a skill that is worthwhile and does speak to having a body of game knowledge that you can access quickly.
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Feb 11, 2021 18:21
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Arguing over how good streamers are at a single player game with no objective ranking of skill besides a point system nobody cares about is dumb. Also funny how divisive Life Coach's slow playing style is.
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Feb 11, 2021 18:25
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I mean, to be fair, most of lifecoach's 4 hour runs are spent just talking to twitch chat and explaining his plays. It's very rare that he actually takes more than a few minutes deciding on a card or whatever. He also takes pretty frequent 5-10 minute breaks.
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Feb 11, 2021 18:26
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Gaius Marius posted:You could spend one year between each card pick carefully mapping out every scenario possible. You'd end up with a higher winrate then coach but it wouldn't mean your more skilled, just that your more willing to throw away your life for useless streamer clout. It's not that simple. I certainly couldn't pull it off without first getting much better at the game. Being rewarded for spending so long on picks is a sign of him having a deep understanding of the game and skill level. All of the top level players are factoring in tons of experience and insight that goes beyond raw computation.
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Feb 11, 2021 18:41
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Ropecoach rules
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Feb 11, 2021 18:53
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Idk why there's this need to have a take about how long LC takes. He streams for eight hours a day, doesn't ask for subs or donations, answers every question in chat and explains his reasoning thoroughly when asked, and is imo completely hilarious on top of it. It's crazy that anyone has the patience to do this for months at this point and I don't understand why it's seen as anything but a nice thing to have around.
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Feb 11, 2021 19:05
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Kyrosiris posted:Wait so like... his runs are 5+ hours without scaling-centric play? Found the LC newbie. Those jokes about spending 45 minutes on a card select screen are not jokes.
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Feb 11, 2021 19:10
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jetz0r posted:Found the LC newbie. Oh I've never watched him at all because of the posts in this thread. I could barely get through Terrence's record-clinching run by watching the VOD on 2x speed. I just figured that he was doing galaxy-brain long-con poo poo instead of just brute-forcing everything but taking half a year on every decision point along the way.
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No Wave posted:Idk why there's this need to have a take about how long LC takes. He streams for eight hours a day, doesn't ask for subs or donations, answers every question in chat and explains his reasoning thoroughly when asked, and is imo completely hilarious on top of it. It's crazy that anyone has the patience to do this for months at this point and I don't understand why it's seen as anything but a nice thing to have around. big agree, as far as streamers go i dont really care whos better. personally i feel like I get more out of a LC stream when it comes to impacting my own play and can tell that I've gotten better sponging off his streams. But at the end of the day being entertaining is what something like a stream is for, to me, and LC is leagues better than jorbs in this regard. Jorbs is actively hostile and unfriendly, and he has created a very awful chat environment and stream culture. LC is streaming for fun otoh and takes breaks when he gets too tilted (unlike jorbs who takes it out on others and sulks while streaming) and has much more positive interactions with his community. if you want to watch a fast streamer that isnt an rear end in a top hat, baalorlord is really good at this game too and he is friendly and he plays fast. he doesnt always explain poo poo to his chat but whatever hes going fast. i dont watch him but hes there if you want an alternative
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Feb 11, 2021 19:42
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Mymla posted:I mean, to be fair, most of lifecoach's 4 hour runs are spent just talking to twitch chat and explaining his plays. It's very rare that he actually takes more than a few minutes deciding on a card or whatever. He also takes pretty frequent 5-10 minute breaks. It's often the case that LC already knows what he's going to do before he takes 10 minutes over it. He just likes to explain to chat why they are wrong, and occasionally takes on board something they say that he hadn't thought of. Off stream he plays much more quickly; before starting his Defect A20 set he knocked out the ascension climb in a couple of days.
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Feb 11, 2021 19:48
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Zand posted:big agree, as far as streamers go i dont really care whos better. personally i feel like I get more out of a LC stream when it comes to impacting my own play and can tell that I've gotten better sponging off his streams. But at the end of the day being entertaining is what something like a stream is for, to me, and LC is leagues better than jorbs in this regard. Jorbs is actively hostile and unfriendly, and he has created a very awful chat environment and stream culture. LC is streaming for fun otoh and takes breaks when he gets too tilted (unlike jorbs who takes it out on others and sulks while streaming) and has much more positive interactions with his community. Yeah BL is my favorite. He just plays and occasionally goes, "I guess I could've played that then better" rather than agonizing about complete optimal.
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Feb 11, 2021 20:00
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watch the streamer you like imo I find jorbs pretty entertaining myself
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Feb 11, 2021 20:03
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Andrast posted:watch the streamer you like imo Jorbs is really relaxing to me, I use his youtube channel to fall asleep.
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Feb 11, 2021 20:18
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jetz0r posted:Jorbs is really relaxing to me, I use his youtube channel to fall asleep. He's my wfh background noise
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Feb 11, 2021 20:38
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Mymla posted:I mean, to be fair, most of lifecoach's 4 hour runs are spent just talking to twitch chat and explaining his plays. It's very rare that he actually takes more than a few minutes deciding on a card or whatever. He also takes pretty frequent 5-10 minute breaks. the value of lifecoach's frankly insane level of chat interaction cannot be understated. his arguments with chat are as integral to the stream experience as the gameplay itself
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Feb 11, 2021 20:54
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I thought Jorbs spending all that time to make sure he fed or got Lesson Learned was as far as this kind of thing went.
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Feb 11, 2021 20:55
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Hmm colorless card prism is pretty good with watcher!! Love dealing 200 bodyslam damage against the heart. Also lol finally using a grand finale due to scry Calipers w/ impervious + entrenched+ is gg lol
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The tryhard streamers also spend a significant amount of time trying to stack: pen nib, ink bottle, nunchaku, inserter, incense burner, etc (there are some others but mostly these)
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