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39/m/Israel though I'm not sure why you care. Old joke, ask your parents.
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Feb 10, 2021 22:02
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I was expecting an uncomfortable display of politics, but instead the game just seems to be an incredible mess in every area. I can understand some of the blandness as just copy-pasting hex-and-chit combat rules from other games. I wondered if Starkweather had just thrown together a ground combat system so he could get back to lovingly designing the rules for the air support. But that abstract roll to remain on-station rather undermines this theory, since presumably it can mean your carefully assembled air wing all go home for tea and biscuits before the attack begins. There's nothing wrong with a solid air game. I grew up on Hornet Leader. But this...I just can't follow the thought processes at all.
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Feb 11, 2021 00:00
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Loxbourne posted:I was expecting an uncomfortable display of politics, but instead the game just seems to be an incredible mess in every area. The system is fairly original, it's just awful. There's a game with a combat system that has somewhat similar bones but seems more thought out with it(it's also a lower level game). The standard wargame combat mechanics, such as they are, are kind of tired and have flaws that have been known since the 70s, but Starkweather is pioneering new ground in bad mechanics.
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Feb 11, 2021 01:02
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Hypnobeard posted:I mean, honestly that counter is relatively uncluttered for ASL vehicle counters... T-35B with no BU turret pointing in the VCA is in hex BB5. It has a revealed 8-1 Armor Leader, the front left sub-turret has an MA Malfunction and a broken CMG, the rear left turret has a CMG Malfunction, the rear right turret has a broken CMG. A piece of Ordnance has a -1 acquisition on the Location of the T-35B, while a second piece of Ordnance has a -1 acquisition on the T-35B itself. A CX Battle Hardened 4-5-8 with a Wounded Heroic 9-0 Commissar and a captured German LMG are in the same Location with Wall Advantage. You're debating whether to deploy Smoke or SMK into the hex. Outside, a heavy truck drives by.
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Feb 11, 2021 05:04
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LatwPIAT posted:T-35B with no BU turret pointing in the VCA is in hex BB5. It has a revealed 8-1 Armor Leader, the front left sub-turret has an MA Malfunction and a broken CMG, the rear left turret has a CMG Malfunction, the rear right turret has a broken CMG. A piece of Ordnance has a -1 acquisition on the Location of the T-35B, while a second piece of Ordnance has a -1 acquisition on the T-35B itself. A CX Battle Hardened 4-5-8 with a Wounded Heroic 9-0 Commissar and a captured German LMG are in the same Location with Wall Advantage. You're debating whether to deploy Smoke or SMK into the hex. Your words hurt my brain.
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Feb 11, 2021 05:34
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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Games > Traditional Games > FATAL & Friends 2021: The system is fairly original, it's just awful. LatwPIAT posted:Outside, a heavy truck drives by. ...is not an argument against ASL. It's an argument against T-35s 
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Feb 11, 2021 06:58
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A lot of games suffer from the writer's need for gun/technology/military hardware porn meaning they get super granular and overcomplicated with certain features while others are simple and abstracted.
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Feb 11, 2021 07:37
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Here the designer does plenty of abstraction, just in weird and seemingly random places. There's no real thought to the kind of experience he's trying to give.
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Feb 11, 2021 08:03
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Ghost Leviathan posted:A lot of games suffer from the writer's need for gun/technology/military hardware porn meaning they get super granular and overcomplicated with certain features while others are simple and abstracted. HWELL, it depends, I suppose. 1985: Under An Iron Sky operates ground units as division and brigades, so they don't get to be very specific about the model of tonk. However, the air portion is done in wings or squadrons, so you get somewhat specific with planes, but not too much, and the real difference is in the stats printed on the counter - no special rules for F-15 flavors. The Starfighter exists in the game and is a piece of poo poo, btw.
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Feb 11, 2021 08:24
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LatwPIAT posted:T-35B with no BU turret pointing in the VCA is in hex BB5. It has a revealed 8-1 Armor Leader, the front left sub-turret has an MA Malfunction and a broken CMG, the rear left turret has a CMG Malfunction, the rear right turret has a broken CMG. A piece of Ordnance has a -1 acquisition on the Location of the T-35B, while a second piece of Ordnance has a -1 acquisition on the T-35B itself. A CX Battle Hardened 4-5-8 with a Wounded Heroic 9-0 Commissar and a captured German LMG are in the same Location with Wall Advantage. You're debating whether to deploy Smoke or SMK into the hex. I'm kinda sad that I understood all of that, and that the only thing I had to look up was SMK. (I think, in this case, I will deploy the SMK.) (T-35B is the tank; BU is "buttoned up"--the hatches are closed; VCA is "Vehicle Covered Arc" which is where the hull of the tank is pointing; the leader is pretty good; MA is main armament (which is currently unable to fire); CMG is coaxial machinegun; "Ordnance" is ASL-speak for some kind of heavy gun intended for engaging vehicles; "Location" is a notional space that a unit occupies, usually a hex but could be (for example) a floor in a building; the acquisition means that the gun has fired at that object previously and will find it slightly easier to hit with future shots; CX means the squad ran and has penalties to combat; "Battle Hardened" means this unit rolled very well on a prior morale check and as a result has improved its quality; 4-5-8 is the firepower, range, and morale of the unit; Wounded means the leader has been shot and has slightly reduced combat abilities; Heroic means he too has rolled well on a morale check and thus gets some special combat abilities; he's a decent leader; Commissar means he's full of himself and gives other units a boost to morale (or else, comrade); the captured German LMG is slightly more likely to break; Wall Advantage means they're up against a wall and claiming it as cover; Smoke is what it sounds like and SMK is this bad boy. That's a lot of words to say: there's a busted up heavy tank that's being hit with AT fire with a veteran squad and a wounded commissar that's just run up and is taking cover nearby, and you're not sure whether to deploy smoke to get them out or send in the SMK.)
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Feb 11, 2021 15:14
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Considering the quality of SMK, I'd go with the smoke exponent and scatter and the heavy truck means an actual truck outside your window sending vibrations that scatter the 21 chit stack described in the anecdote
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Feb 11, 2021 15:56
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JcDent posted:Considering the quality of SMK, I'd go with the smoke exponent and scatter The SMK is hilarious though. Stalin approved it based on a wooden mockup, for heaven's sake.
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Feb 11, 2021 16:10
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By popular demand posted:39/m/Israel though I'm not sure why you care. Atlantean as Second Language
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Feb 11, 2021 19:53
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Hypnobeard posted:The SMK is hilarious though. Stalin approved it based on a wooden mockup, for heaven's sake. To be fair, nobody knew what they were doing when they were making interwar tanks.
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Feb 11, 2021 20:40
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JcDent posted:To be fair, nobody knew what they were doing when they were making interwar tanks. They're going to say the same thing about current UAV designs someday.
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Feb 12, 2021 01:45
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Hypnobeard posted:The SMK is hilarious though. Stalin approved it based on a wooden mockup, for heaven's sake. I give up. What’s so funny about an shorthand for smoke grenade.
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Feb 12, 2021 01:48
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Comstar posted:I give up. What’s so funny about an shorthand for smoke grenade. The SMK was a Soviet interwar tank. Only one was ever built, it saw combat once, in the Soviet invasion of Finland, whereupon it broke down right away and the design was scrapped.
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Feb 12, 2021 03:47
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Horrible, big tanks will always be funny to me. If you build a tank that can't cross a bridge I will smile for days. The Maus and Ratte are two of my favorite tanks for a) being completely worthless even if they could have been produced and b) costing the Nazis a bunch of cash and resources anyway.
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Feb 12, 2021 06:58
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I loving hate the Maus because it looks like a piece of poo poo, has all the dimensions of a barn, and is always included in hypothetical/Wehrmacht '47/alt history poo poo. I hate the Maus so much it was like 50% of the reason I stopped playing German tanks in Warthunder because I couldn't bear the thought of wasting time to unlock the piece of poo poo. Epicurius posted:The SMK was a Soviet interwar tank. Only one was ever built, it saw combat once, in the Soviet invasion of Finland, whereupon it broke down right away and the design was scrapped. Somehow a worse T-35.
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Feb 12, 2021 08:06
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The Lone Badger posted:They're going to say the same thing about current UAV designs someday. They can fly, sport artillery, and drop Hellfires on weddings, and everybody is scared of them. Kinda feels like the opposite of interwar tank, where nobody knew anything about the design of a tank (multitple turrets) or designing tanks for forces (fast, lovely armor and gun for fighting other tanks, slow, lot of armor, stubby short ranged gun for supporting infantry), or deploying tanks.
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Feb 12, 2021 08:09
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Multiple turrets own, how else are you going to get a good broadside?
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Feb 12, 2021 09:42
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Hopefully this evening i can drop the next part, where i'll digress and get into the game's air system.
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Feb 12, 2021 15:27
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Panzeh posted:Hopefully this evening i can drop the next part, where i'll digress and get into the game's air system. 3 pages of rules for determining whether the Sidewinder locks onto the Sun. Roll 52d6 to determine orphans created by Linebacker 1 VP if you save John McCain.
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Feb 12, 2021 15:48
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JcDent posted:I loving hate the Maus because it looks like a piece of poo poo, has all the dimensions of a barn, and is always included in hypothetical/Wehrmacht '47/alt history poo poo. Maus looks like what you make doing the first tutorial of your 3d modeling program, before you learn how to add detail to things. It's like real life had a rendering bug and level of detail for it stopped updating.
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Feb 12, 2021 16:22
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The Maus is such a piece of poo poo I would love to see it unveiled in actual combat only to get destroyed or just breaken down by explosive rounds given the quality of German metal at that point plus it having no angling at all.
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Feb 12, 2021 18:26
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How fast was it even capable of moving? Tanks are not vehicles often thought of running circles around things but I'll bet most could do it to that stupid easy-to-hit pile of scrap metal.
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Feb 12, 2021 18:45
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ChaseSP posted:The Maus is such a piece of poo poo I would love to see it unveiled in actual combat only to get destroyed or just breaken down by explosive rounds given the quality of German metal at that point plus it having no angling at all. this is basically what happens to it in War Thunder. Especially since most of the stuff it has to fight has HEAT rounds which completely negate the armor.
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Feb 12, 2021 18:48
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By popular demand posted:How fast was it even capable of moving? Tanks are not vehicles often thought of running circles around things but I'll bet most could do it to that stupid easy-to-hit pile of scrap metal. I think it was tested at a top practical speed of, like... 10 mph. You could run circles around it on foot nearly. Note that modern tanks are much more agile, of course.
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Feb 12, 2021 19:29
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It would also ruin any paved road it drove on and 99% of the bridges in existence couldnt support its massive girth
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Feb 12, 2021 19:34
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Then after a couple of schnaps they looked at the Maus and went "What if we made it even bigger?". Thus the Ratte was born. Thankfully it never got that far because they sobered up and realized how completely stupid the idea was.
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Feb 12, 2021 19:37
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 The Stalin tank was one of the heaviest tanks used in ww2 and it could run at 23mph.Deploying the Maus in any significant number would have been a huge moral boost for the Allies. E:  My tank is fight!  Gah, Mine tank is fright *dies horribly in the big stupid barely mobile oven high command built*
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Feb 12, 2021 19:39
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Whenever anyone mentions the Stalin tank, I think of that stupid thread on the Red Orchestra Ostfront forums. Like tears in rain...
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Feb 12, 2021 19:53
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mellonbread posted:Whenever anyone mentions the Stalin tank, I think of that stupid thread on the Red Orchestra Ostfront forums. Do share, this seems relevant to my interests. wdarkk posted:Maus looks like what you make doing the first tutorial of your 3d modeling program, before you learn how to add detail to things. It's like real life had a rendering bug and level of detail for it stopped updating. Or one of those grog miniature studios operating out of a garage and still selling stuff they modeled in 1992, when sci-fi tanks were designed by bashing up to 5 basic geometric shapes together and going "yep, that's enough detail"
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Feb 12, 2021 19:57
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I could stand to read some grognard rage, you got a link?
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Feb 12, 2021 19:57
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IS 2 greatest tank of ww2
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Feb 12, 2021 20:08
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Only 17 posts till ALLCAPS. I'm going to savour this thread like fine wine.
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Feb 12, 2021 20:11
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Cooked Auto posted:Then after a couple of schnaps they looked at the Maus and went "What if we made it even bigger?". Thus the Ratte was born. I've always assumed the Maus, Ratte etc were akin to the end-war Luftwaffe aircraft projects. There might have been some sort of genuine "we need incredible innovation because every plane we send up is facing 5:1 odds and that's just in bombers" thinking at the outset. But by the time any prototype was developed the real purpose was "see the incredibly important war work we are carrying out and how it makes us far too important to draft into the army and send to the Ostfront oh god oh god please don't make us go there pleeeeeease".
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Feb 12, 2021 21:40
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The Ratte thankfully never got any further than conceptualising before they realized how stupid the ideas was and dropped it.
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I want the Ratte to be a boss fight in a WW2 Metal Gear Solid type game. Also supersoldiers dosed up to the gills on D-IX
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