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Communist Thoughts posted:Once this shits over I'm going to Istanbul and Xi'an coz I wanna see em, sorry planet
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Zarah seems good. https://twitter.com/zarahsultana/status/1360628483832107013?s=20
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Barry Foster posted:Like, honestly the only thing I still wanna do on this wretched planet is see a little more of it before I die in the hunger games of 2034, but I know in my heart of hearts I can't justify it to myself. It makes me really sad My wife travelled to Pokhara and Kathmandu in Nepal around the time of the ash cloud (and got stuck in India on the way home), and when they were on their way back to the hotel one of their Gurkha guides informed them they had been followed for a few blocks by a gang of men, but they were gone now. Apparently a lot of teenage girls follow the hippy trail through that region like their parents did and just go missing. Like the area around the pyramids - my parents did the tour round the outside and barge trip down the nile with Thomsons while they were in Cyprus, and one of the guys who was following them round was leaning over the railing and had what my mum described as a submachine gun hanging under one arm. I don't think this is because the countries or the people are dangerous, but I do feel that there's a lot of justified anti-west sentiment, and also gangs who are aware of how much more money your average westerner has, when you look at the average monthly wage in say Mexico city and compare it to how much daily spending money a tourist carries. So while I can't afford to go to the pyramids, I can at least console myself that even if I could, the world doesn't work that way anymore, white people are rightly despised in a lot of areas, and I would just be too paranoid and stressed to enjoy it properly. What I really want is to go wandering round a tomb on my own looking at inscriptions and stuff, but they don't let you do that any more so I have to play assassins creed origins instead.
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Feb 13, 2021 18:32
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Guardian headline writer not knowing there's a difference between learning difficulties and a learning disability is par for the course I guess
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Feb 13, 2021 18:36
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Jakabite posted:You not going on holiday isn't going to do poo poo - it's systemic issues that are killing the planet. Fulfil your dream, you only get one life and you won't feel any better if the world burns for having deprived yourself of the one thing you want to do more than anything. Alternatively- make what difference you can, maybe try to turn one air journey into a surface journey. It's feasible for most of western Europe if you're willing to allow one more day. Air travel is synonymous with international travel but it doesn't have to be. It's high stress, polluting, there's no view and it involves spending time in an ugly building where the only pass-time is buying a massive toblerone.
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Communist Thoughts posted:Once this shits over I'm going to Istanbul and Xi'an coz I wanna see em, sorry planet Once this poo poo's over there's gonna be a huge boom in international travel and flight costs are gonna triple. Calling it now. Sucks rear end 'cause I used to like going on an international holiday once every year or two and it'd be nice to go and visit my family some time without bankrupting myself. Endjinneer posted:Alternatively- make what difference you can, maybe try to turn one air journey into a surface journey. It's feasible for most of western Europe if you're willing to allow one more day. Oh, yeah. Wife and I did a trip to Italy by train, with an afternoon's stop off in Paris. Train to Milan, couple of days there, train to rome, 3 days there, train to Naples, stayed overnight then picked up a hire car and drove to Sorrento. Highly recommend it. Of course we flew back but that's still less climate impact than flying both ways. WhatEvil fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Feb 13, 2021 |
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Feb 13, 2021 19:04
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Ewan posted:Xi'an isn't that exciting. Worth a long weekend (see the walls and the terracotta warriors but not much else); there are much better places in China to spend longer time. (I lived there for 4 yrs if you want recommendations...) Hua-shan is pretty! That's about the only other thing I can remember of my brief visit to Xi'an.
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1360595747708809218?s=19 I'm running low on bile.
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big scary monsters posted:It's unfortunate that some people have preexisting conditions, such as children or active social lives, that make lockdown especially hard for them. But IMO their sacrifice is a small price to pay so that childless asthmatic shutins can continue to live normally. Seems like a hot take but I’m not sure tbh Like it seems like ‘childless asthmatic shutins’ has an implied judgement but I dunno?? I get that there’s tension between groups but this really seems like you think we’ve reached the point where we should triage the childless, the asthmatic and the shy Regarde Aduck fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Feb 13, 2021 |
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Feb 13, 2021 19:22
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Definitely try and travel via the surface of the planet more if possible like, for all the reasons stated. Just don't severely hamper your dreams and life experiences on the off chance it might delay the apocalypse by a millionth of a second.
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Feb 13, 2021 19:29
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Gonzo McFee posted:gently caress them kids Tory spotted.
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Maugrim posted:Guardian headline writer not knowing there's a difference between learning difficulties and a learning disability is par for the course I guess Does that really change anything?
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Feb 13, 2021 19:34
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Tory spotted. I meant gently caress the kids not gently caress the kids https://twitter.com/thecourieruk/status/1360334247035162627?s=19 I feel they could have chosen a better metaphor. Unless they're expecting to lose. In which case brilliant metaphor.
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stev posted:Does that really change anything? Of course not. But I decided to avoid commenting on the broader content for the sake of my blood pressure. I mean what can you even say really.
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I've never seen a good argument against flight mile quotas. Basically everyone gets a certain number of miles they're allowed to fly each year, enough that a normal person wouldn't hit the limit. The rich with their insatiable plane-lust will obviously want more so they can buy more miles from poorer people that can sell the miles they wouldn't have been using anyway. Creates a new market that efficiently transfers wealth from rich to poor people and normalises the idea of flight restrictions, which assuming no magical clean tech emerges is going to have to be limited at some point so the planet doesn't die.
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namesake posted:Cruises are just so awful for the environment I was actually hopeful the pandemic would end the industry but I guess not. I have long wanted to force all cruise ships to be renamed The Diarrhea Princess and for those who still go on them to be put on a list, sort of like the sex offenders' register but for grossly thoughtless people instead therattle posted:What the gently caress is your problem? Wanting to go on holiday is a perfectly normal and acceptable desire, especially after one has been locked down on and off for a year. It represents freedom and is probably one of the high points of most people’s year. WTF does that have to do with Syria? I want to go on holiday (but I’m not going to), and I am very aware of Syria. calm yourself down mate, i was just saying it's a good thing to remember that there are people out there experiencing worse i'm the sort of person who is grateful for what i have, i suppose, like being able to sleep in a warm bed and not having to worry about seeing my loved ones getting their heads chopped off in the street no matter how hard i try i can never commit the correct spelling of diarrhea to memory and i have to google it quite often and sometimes i wonder if their algorithm has me pegged (lol) as having a bowel problem crispix fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Feb 13, 2021 |
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Feb 13, 2021 19:40
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Knowing a few nurses in their late 20's / early 30's who have been off work for 6+ months with long covid I think the risks to the 'non-vunerable' population are alarmingly downplayed in the 'open up NOW' case.
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Feb 13, 2021 19:42
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crispix posted:I have long wanted to force all cruise ships to be renamed The Diarrhea Princess and for those who still go on them to be put on a list, sort of like the sex offenders' register but for grossly thoughtless people instead I'm with therattle here, your 'I don't like doing stuff and people who do are stupid babies' schtick is unbelievably grating.
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Feb 13, 2021 19:46
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My Granma (long retired and widowed) does cruises and it's great for her because it's about the only time she gets out and about otherwise she's just living a miserable existence at home on her own. She goes on her own but they tend to group similar alone oldies together at dinner and it all sounds very pleasant.
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Feb 13, 2021 19:48
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Vitamin P posted:I've never seen a good argument against flight mile quotas. Basically everyone gets a certain number of miles they're allowed to fly each year, enough that a normal person wouldn't hit the limit. The rich with their insatiable plane-lust will obviously want more so they can buy more miles from poorer people that can sell the miles they wouldn't have been using anyway. This would be lovely for the same reasons as fishing quotas and carbon credits. The airlines, who don't care who is flying as long as somebody is and pays for it, would continuously lobby for the quota to be as high as possible. The tiny proportion of frequent flyers who currently account for a vastly disproportionate amount of the travel and carbon emissions would argue that their travel is now not causing any problems so long as they pay for the credits. And you just know that any money people did make from selling their credits would be deducted from any benefits they might receive anyway - it's unlike to leave the poorest any better off. All that effort, little help to those who need it the most, no effect on climate change, and the rich have an excuse to deflect blame for it. If you're going to put up quotas, they should be fixed, non-transferrable, and tax the everliving gently caress out of any travel that exceeds them.
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Jakabite posted:I'm with therattle here, your 'I don't like doing stuff and people who do are stupid babies' schtick is unbelievably grating. it's not a shtick i'm just being honest :/ but fair enough, i suppose i'm the one with the aberrant perspective and if it's really upsetting people then i'll stop saying people are being somewhat melodramatic about how hard it is to not go on their holidays
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Scikar posted:This would be lovely for the same reasons as fishing quotas and carbon credits. The airlines, who don't care who is flying as long as somebody is and pays for it, would continuously lobby for the quota to be as high as possible. The tiny proportion of frequent flyers who currently account for a vastly disproportionate amount of the travel and carbon emissions would argue that their travel is now not causing any problems so long as they pay for the credits. And you just know that any money people did make from selling their credits would be deducted from any benefits they might receive anyway - it's unlike to leave the poorest any better off. All that effort, little help to those who need it the most, no effect on climate change, and the rich have an excuse to deflect blame for it. If you're going to put up quotas, they should be fixed, non-transferrable, and tax the everliving gently caress out of any travel that exceeds them. Hell limit it to one long haul round trip per year. We've long since proven that international business absolutely does not require air travel, and that way normal folk still get to blow off steam with a big trip every once in a while.
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crispix posted:people are being somewhat melodramatic crispix posted:i'm the sort of person who is grateful for what i have, i suppose, like being able to sleep in a warm bed and not having to worry about seeing my loved ones getting their heads chopped off in the street 
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JoylessJester posted:Knowing a few nurses in their late 20's / early 30's who have been off work for 6+ months with long covid I think the risks to the 'non-vunerable' population are alarmingly downplayed in the 'open up NOW' case. idk it's probably only tens or hundreds of thousands of lives avoidably ruined, being concerned about it seems like something only a shut in friendless nerd would do imho
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Scikar posted:This would be lovely for the same reasons as fishing quotas and carbon credits. The airlines, who don't care who is flying as long as somebody is and pays for it, would continuously lobby for the quota to be as high as possible. The tiny proportion of frequent flyers who currently account for a vastly disproportionate amount of the travel and carbon emissions would argue that their travel is now not causing any problems so long as they pay for the credits. And you just know that any money people did make from selling their credits would be deducted from any benefits they might receive anyway - it's unlike to leave the poorest any better off. All that effort, little help to those who need it the most, no effect on climate change, and the rich have an excuse to deflect blame for it. If you're going to put up quotas, they should be fixed, non-transferrable, and tax the everliving gently caress out of any travel that exceeds them.
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With EU integration and brain drain from the LEDCs long distance travel is much more complicated than just holiday usage. A small number of people take multiple flights usually for business and are mostly responsible for total air miles flown so a untaxed return flight for every passport and a steadily increasing tax rate applied for all subsequent bookings on that passport will allow many people the freedom of travel for holiday or family while still detering frequent business usage. This is slightly immaterial at this exact moment in time but a good sort of mindset for how to tackle it in future.
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i don't think making an effort to broaden the perspective on something you're experiencing is being melodramatic. it's always helped get me through bad times. there's an old irish adage that encapsulates it that i find very helpful: "no matter how poo poo you're having it, there's always some poor oval office out there having it worse"
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Feb 13, 2021 20:04
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I find reading historical fiction is quite good for maintaining some perspective, I've got running water and can go buy food in a shop and these stupid motherfuckers are having famines and dying of cholera although at least they understood what quarantines are for
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It's an interesting question : does the fact that others are suffering more than you invalidate any grief you might feel about your own situation? Like, is ANYONE entitled to ever feel sorry for themselves in the developed world, when bombs are being dropped on other people who are objectively worse off? I think the answer is 'yes', even though it is helpful to put your own suffering in perspective.
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Jakabite posted:Definitely try and travel via the surface of the planet more if possible
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The Perfect Element posted:It's an interesting question : does the fact that others are suffering more than you invalidate any grief you might feel about your own situation? Like, is ANYONE entitled to ever feel sorry for themselves in the developed world, when bombs are being dropped on other people who are objectively worse off? I think it hard to tell really. It's kind of the reverse "there are starving kids out there" situation. I suppose it also matters as to how and what we do to counter it. Also this was linked a little bit ago and it seems quite interesting, obviously not in favour of Starmer but it does help to put stuff in context: http://newsocialist.org.uk/transmissions/bad-week-starmer-or-worse/
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Feb 13, 2021 20:51
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I definitely remember being snidely told this thread was in complete agreement on how to handle the pandemic and lockdowns so we should probably just stick with re opening everything whenever that was scheduled for.
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by way of reconciliation as i seem to have pissed off some people today i will share with you all some photographs that i took (using the camera built into my mobile-telephone) on my walk today. i hope that those of you who did not get to have a lovely walk today will get some enjoyment from seeing photographs taken during my lovely walk on your computer screen/monitor/Visual Display Unit there https://imgur.com/a/ydcw2Ma
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Doing my insurance today and I've just found out that "Spiderman" is a choice of profession. Pray tell what need does Spiderman have for car insurance?
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Gonzo McFee posted:I meant gently caress the kids not gently caress the kids "fail forward" is effectively official government policy so either way it's spot on
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