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indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Prince Myshkin posted:

That article is horseshit and the reforms are only acknowledging the "shadow economy" and the right to self-employment, which does not impact the fundamentals of the planned system or public ownership of the means of production.

source pls

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Prince Myshkin
Jun 17, 2018
https://twitter.com/MTSS_CUBA/status/1359290690409287687

Sesionó Consejo de Dirección ampliado del Ministerio

quote:

Sesiona en la mañana de hoy el Consejo de Dirección ampliado del Ministerio; entre los puntos de la agenda destaca la marcha de la implementación de la Tarea Ordenamiento en lo relativo a la política de empleo, desde su integralidad y la aplicación de la APK TrabajarEnCuba, como herramienta novedosa para el acceso al empleo, las prestaciones y servios de la Asistencia Social y las proyecciones inmediatas para asumir la implementación de las nuevas medidas para el perfeccionamiento del Trabajo por Cuenta Propia, una vez aprobadas las normas jurídicas correspondientes.

Como expresión del proceso de informatización de la sociedad cubana, ocupó un importante espacio en el Consejo de Dirección ampliado del Mtss, la marcha del proceso de digitalización de los expedientes sobre los núcleos y personas atendidos por el Régimen de la Asistencia Social.

The bolded section means "self-employment" and is the focus of the reform. Not "small businesses."

Cuba Is Opening Up Its Economy. But Don't Call It a Shift to Capitalism Just Yet

Dumb poo poo in this one too, but this should be the major takeaway:

quote:

Other obstacles remain for would-be business owners in Cuba. Though entrepreneurs can hire others to join their business—a restaurant owner can employ waiters, for example, or a taxi owner can let others drive their car—they cannot get legal recognition for their business as a company. Crucially, that means businesses can’t access bank loans and individuals must take on all the financial risk of themselves, according to Díaz Castellanos, the consultant.

So people can't start anything on their own that's legally recognized as a "business," which is the whole point of having a business.

platzapS
Aug 4, 2007

i say swears online posted:

change every thread tag to #BEB except this one tbh

platzapS
Aug 4, 2007

mila kunis posted:

anyone have recommendations for books on the russian civil war? post revolution upto the cementing of soviet control of the country.

Lookin for this too. "The Bolsheviks in Power" by Rabinowitz rocks but it's only the first year through 1918

I read like a couple pages of "Leninism Under Lenin" and it rocked. When foreign diplomats complained that the Bolsheviks were giving pamphlets to the "enemy" diplomatic guard, they responded that the Austro-Hungarians were perfectly free to propagandize among the Soviet soldiers if they liked.

platzapS fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Feb 10, 2021

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Prince Myshkin posted:

https://twitter.com/MTSS_CUBA/status/1359290690409287687

Sesionó Consejo de Dirección ampliado del Ministerio


The bolded section means "self-employment" and is the focus of the reform. Not "small businesses."

Cuba Is Opening Up Its Economy. But Don't Call It a Shift to Capitalism Just Yet

Dumb poo poo in this one too, but this should be the major takeaway:


So people can't start anything on their own that's legally recognized as a "business," which is the whole point of having a business.

cool

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

loooooollll

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/09/world/europe/france-threat-american-universities.html

postcolonial thought in france? heaven forbid, that's outsider stuff like from that american Fanon

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

https://twitter.com/TheVoid76/status/1359549281284354051

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
I’m not reading all that either tbf. too many words

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

all u need to know is that healthcare is full communism

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
someone gave me a soviet textbook link on marx's theory and it was incredibly well written and concise, but i forgot the name and have never found it since

strange feelings re Daisy
Aug 2, 2000

mila kunis posted:

someone gave me a soviet textbook link on marx's theory and it was incredibly well written and concise, but i forgot the name and have never found it since
Could it be this textbook called "Political Economy"?
https://www.marxists.org/subject/economy/authors/pe/index.htm

Finicums Wake
Mar 13, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!
vol 1 of capital low-key owns. there's lots of cool gothic literary references and imagery, and marx spends a ton of time in the footnotes flaming noob political economists in a way that cspam posters would truly appreciate. then there's some extremely classic poo poo like the part on commodity fetishism, or all that stuff about the length of the working day w/ extremely brutal excerpts from reports on labor conditions, etc.

overall, vol 1 owns and is worth the trouble.

vol 2 + 3 were assembled from posthumous drafts, and so are arguably incomplete. they inarguably lack the polish that makes the first volume a classic of world literature, so i don't blame anyone who doesn't want to read all three. i haven't and idk if i ever will

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Finicums Wake posted:

marx spends a ton of time in the footnotes flaming noob political economists in a way that cspam posters would truly appreciate

Marxrunner

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

i say swears online posted:

all u need to know is that healthcare is full communism

this... socialism is when the government delivers services to the public :)

QUEER FRASIER
May 31, 2011

Finicums Wake posted:

vol 1 of capital low-key owns. there's lots of cool gothic literary references and imagery, and marx spends a ton of time in the footnotes flaming noob political economists in a way that cspam posters would truly appreciate. then there's some extremely classic poo poo like the part on commodity fetishism, or all that stuff about the length of the working day w/ extremely brutal excerpts from reports on labor conditions, etc.

overall, vol 1 owns and is worth the trouble.
Yeah vol 1 I’d recommend to anyone who calls themselves a leftist and not in an elitist way, it really is so insightful and actually very funny to read at times, one of those books that actually just makes you a better and more well-rounded human

I think my favorite literary reference I picked up from vol 1 is: Mutato nomine de te fabula narratur - The name is changed, but the tale is told of you! (Horace, Satires). or in other words, turn on your monitor

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

lol

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
why is it so freaking long. what happens in volumes two and three. seems like he was just padding hoping that he’d get a franchise deal

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?
excuse me, but I think you’ll find that this visual summary of all 3 volumes by David Harvey will answer all your questions

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


yr new gurlfrand! posted:

excuse me, but I think you’ll find that this visual summary of all 3 volumes by David Harvey will answer all your questions



i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Yes I would like to collectively own infinity of something. Marx is a child

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

yr new gurlfrand! posted:

excuse me, but I think you’ll find that this visual summary of all 3 volumes by David Harvey will answer all your questions



wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?

:chanpop:

Finicums Wake
Mar 13, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

indigi posted:

why is it so freaking long. what happens in volumes two and three. seems like he was just padding hoping that he’d get a franchise deal

volume 1 is about the commodity and commodity production, with special emphasis on that peculiar commodity known as labor-power. you might say that whereas vol 1 shows us the inner workings of the factory, vol 2 takes us outside of it. from the parts i read of part 2, it's focused on the inter-relations between factories: how capital circulates, how the production process within one firm is dependent on the production process in many other firms, and how these inter-connected processes all have to sync up with each other in time unless they're to break down. i think that's what the 'reproduction schemas' are about.

vol 3 is supposedly about the relation between, say, industrial and finance capital, the role of fictitious capital, as well as some stuff about total labor values = total prices in the system, and the long term tendency of the rate of profit to fall and crisis theory. i never made it to vol 3, just have read discussions of it. tbh vol 3 seems like the it has the juiciest theoretical parts

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
i'm (re)reading vol 1 with some friends right now and we're aiming for 2 and 3 afterwards. i'm curious to see if and how merchants appropriate surplus value (as opposed to how "regular" employers who buy your labor power and then sell the fruits your labor do it). also i guess if there's anything going on besides the obvious re: landlords

belgend
Mar 6, 2008

me when The Club do another win

smarxist posted:

can someone do a minor effort post about communism in India? i know they have millions of diehard commies there but it seems like there's never much news of mass actions or anything (at least that leak into the mainstream). has the state managed to absorb it into the superstructure there?

i forgot to do this but here it is now:

there are three main currents in indian communism, who are represented by the old cpi, cpi(m) and cpi(ml) parties. the cpi(ml) has since splintered beyond recognition, cpi and cpi(m) are still around. the cpi(m) overall is the most influential communist party in india

the communists started out as the left wing of the indian independence struggle. a bunch of underground communists cells all across india came together in 1925 to create an all-india communist party, the cpi. at first, they tried to ally themselves with leftist factions of the independence movement's big tent party, specifically the workers and peasants faction of the congress party (gandhi's party), which ended up becoming a front organisation for the illegal cpi. this tactic was later denounced by the comintern and as such the cpi had to learn to work mostly illegally instead of half/half.

after independence, the cpi actually had a lot of support from the indian working and peasant classes because they ended up finishing the anti-feodal struggles in a lot of states that the congress wasn't planning on stopping, to the point that in the 50s the cpi was the main opposition to the congress party.

the question that laid before the cpi was: what is the character of the indian state, the congress party and what is the analysis of the objective and subjective circumstances.

the cpi said that the indian state was, inherently, an antifeodal and anti-imperialist state which was controlled by the congress party, the political spearhead of the national bourgeoisie. the cpi(m) said that, while the indian state is an improvement from british rule, the indian congress party and the indian state is inherently still semi-feodal and imperialist, as the indian congress party has formed alliances with big landlords and monopoly capital both in india and abroad. simply put, the cpi thought that the current phase of the revolution in india had to be an anti-imperialist one alongside the congress party, the faction within the cpi that would become the cpi(m) said that the current phase of the revolution is an anti-feodal one against the congress party. this split the party in 1964 (both parties agree on the fact that the objective and subjective circumstances are not there to call for a insurrection)

notice that, contrary to most communist movements in the world, the sino-soviet split was not a big factor in the split. the split mostly happened on difference on the national situation. even the cpi(m)-cpi(ml) split was not rooted in this international issue. the cpi(ml) saw the naxalite insurrection of armed peasants as the start of a fully fledged armed resistance movement against the congress party, and made it its mission to be the political figurehead of the 'avantgarde' of the peasant masses. the biggest political party to use this theory now is the cpi(maoist), which sees all parties as complacent in the imperialist, feodal state of india

these three parties have all made major mistakes in the past, with differing consequences: the cpi's biggest mistake was thinking that the indira gandhi state of emergency, which was used to help establish an autocratic dominance over the congress party, was in fact an anti-imperialist act. it therefore supported the emergency and thus also the arrest and murder of other communists. the cpi(ml) was never able to form a broad insurrection front and turned to individual terrorisme instead, which lead to a split in many parties. the cpi(m) in the 90s became too reliant on its parlimentary work, thereby forgetting to do actual work on the terrain (something the cpi had already long stopped in most states in india). the biggest example of this parliamentism was the formation of a cpi(m)-congress government in west bengal in order to try and keep their positions of power in the state

the big problem right now with indian communism is not unlike the one you have in france right now. you have very strong mass organisations that have a lot of support with working and peasant classes, but with communist parties that only have their support in big bastions, or who because of opportunist mistakes have lost a huge chunk of their support

in 2015, the cpi(m) basically said 'there is no longer an indepndent all-india communist movement'. the big communist parties are no longer active in all of india, and electorally in most cases they have to resort to alliances to even have a chance in most elections. the big exception to this rule is the cpi(m) of kerala, which has found a way to combine parliamentary and state government work with political work on the ground, and prioritising the second part. the selfcriticism the cpi(m) did at the time was to stop forging 'purely secular' alliances like they did in the 90s and 2000s to try and counterweigh the bjp, who became the main opposition party and now the government since, but to go back to 'left and secular' alliances, to attack both the bjp and the congress party (and its main neoliberal offshoots) who in the end represent the same classes

right now you have an informal agreement with 5 parties to make some sort of all-india left front: the cpi(m), the cpi, the cpi(ml)-liberation (a cpiml splinter that put an anti-congress united front as a priority over the people's war, and is seen as the successor of the original cpi(ml), the revolutionary socialist party (a communist party that felt the cpi was too soviet) and the all-india forward bloc (the first leftist split of the congress party after the dissolution of the workers and peasants party)

right now the cpi(m) is the major player in this left front, as it has been historically. they use their mass organisations really well to start an anti-modi/bjp united front. they've even got the bjp's militia to work with them in kerala in covid relief because they're very clearly beyond all other parties on the subject. the covid relief effort they do elsewhere is also bringing back old disillusioned people back to the cpi(m). the cpi wants to use this left front as the reunification of the communist party, but the cpi(m) has already said it won't accept a reunification on the program of the old cpi. µ

tl;dr: cpi(m) owns but there are still a lot of political problems they have to face internally

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

belgend posted:

tl;dr: cpi(m) owns but there are still a lot of political problems they have to face internally

Ferrinus fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Feb 11, 2021

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018


There has also been a lot of communist repression in India which i'm sure has to lead current situations. When the Naxalite insurrection was starting, there was a wave of support across the nation. George Reddy who was a student activist in Telangana and Baba Bujha Singh was a big Punjabi communist leader were both killed. The Pakistani communist party was basically clamped down on right after their inception although I think later on they supported the Balochistani independence movement.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
the bjp/rss in india had rabid anti-communism baked into their platforms pretty early which was bizarre for indian politics because the Congress party was the main bugbear for decades and the communists were nowhere near power. now that the bjp's in power and china's starting to catch up with pakistan as The Enemy (their rep was already pretty bad since the sino indian war) there's a shitload of anti communist propaganda all over indian corporate media and social media. their big thing is accusing people of being 'urban naxal' (the western equivalent would be 'cultural marxist' i guess) which they mostly lob, hilariously, at liberals.

they've been desperately trying to dislodge the cpi(M) in kerala, and failing due to the work they've been doing on the ground and outside just electoralism: https://www.thetricontinental.org/newsletterissue/52-kerala/

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

mila kunis posted:

the bjp/rss in india had rabid anti-communism baked into their platforms pretty early which was bizarre for indian politics because the Congress party was the main bugbear for decades and the communists were nowhere near power. now that the bjp's in power and china's starting to catch up with pakistan as The Enemy (their rep was already pretty bad since the sino indian war) there's a shitload of anti communist propaganda all over indian corporate media and social media. their big thing is accusing people of being 'urban naxal' (the western equivalent would be 'cultural marxist' i guess) which they mostly lob, hilariously, at liberals.

they've been desperately trying to dislodge the cpi(M) in kerala, and failing due to the work they've been doing on the ground and outside just electoralism: https://www.thetricontinental.org/newsletterissue/52-kerala/

afaik most people in south india don't give two fucks about bjp, hindutva or any of that crap because of all the cultural/linguistic/religious diversity. dravidian nationalism in tamil nadu, bitterness about hindi being imposed in local schools, etc. i don't even know if hindi is one of the 4-5 most spoken languages over yonder

belgend
Mar 6, 2008

me when The Club do another win

Yossarian-22 posted:

afaik most people in south india don't give two fucks about bjp, hindutva or any of that crap because of all the cultural/linguistic/religious diversity. dravidian nationalism in tamil nadu, bitterness about hindi being imposed in local schools, etc. i don't even know if hindi is one of the 4-5 most spoken languages over yonder

yeah outside hindustan the bjp is more of an anti-congress or anti-dalit option than anything else

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 232 days!
gotta say i read and appreciated the big posts and the chart. also the time cube edit was funny.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
Lol

https://twitter.com/henrykrinkie/status/1360633365930663939?s=21

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019


jimmy d*re is CIA

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/JAVdottxt/status/1357513844747288576?s=19

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014


mao 2 electric boogaloo

boogaloo boys

jimmy d*re interviewing boogaloo boys

jimmy d*re

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
Mao 2 Secret of the Ooze

platzapS
Aug 4, 2007

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Yossarian-22 posted:

afaik most people in south india don't give two fucks about bjp, hindutva or any of that crap because of all the cultural/linguistic/religious diversity. dravidian nationalism in tamil nadu, bitterness about hindi being imposed in local schools, etc. i don't even know if hindi is one of the 4-5 most spoken languages over yonder

northern light-skinned indians are racist as all gently caress against people from the south of the country; that carries over into expat communities as well. an analogue may be like the GOP doing poorly with mexican-americans because even if they like the platform they're not exactly welcome

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AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

i say swears online posted:

northern light-skinned indians are racist as all gently caress against people from the south of the country; that carries over into expat communities as well. an analogue may be like the GOP doing poorly with mexican-americans because even if they like the platform they're not exactly welcome

One of the great tragedies of indian independence is that the caste system was never abolished. Which is why in a lot of dalit communities B. R. Ambedkar is considered the father of the nation.

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