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Doctor Zero posted:hey, so how many times has everyone watched the television show "Babylon 5"?? I think I've watched it at least 6 times. Was always a bit uncertain if my love for B5 was based on nostalgia and it being the first series I really binged, but nope... easily still my favourite sci-fi show out there. First time, Londo was the MVP, but this time, G'Kar took that spot. Seeing him evolve from "I'll get you next time, Sinclair!  " to his speeches in season 5 was something.
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Baron von der Loon posted:Finished my second watch last Friday with the final two episodes of Season 5 and "In The Beginning". Hoping to do a short summary of my thoughts later on. yeah, it really stands up on a rewatch for all the cardboard sets and occasional hamminess
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sebmojo posted:yeah, it really stands up on a rewatch for all the cardboard sets and occasional hamminess The hamminess makes it better in some ways I think. Babylon 5 was written and acted more like a stage play than a TV drama, and the actors play for the cheap seats while the dialogue pontificates like it was written for people who showed up with their Opera Glasses even as it goofs for the unwashed cretins. Shakespearean in the complete meaning of the term!
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Jedit posted:Delenn describes Kosh's ship as being a part of him, and although we can't know for sure there is a strong possibility that it was actually Kosh's encounter suit that was poisoned in the pilot. So the contrast is that where the Shadows put unwilling others into their machines, the Vorlons put themselves into them. Pretty sure JMS said that Kosh himself was poisoned by a crystalline substance that disrupted his energy patterns, something that a noncorporeal being would be vulnerable to (if you were familiar with the particulars of their "physiology", such as it is).
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McSpanky posted:Pretty sure JMS said that Kosh himself was poisoned by a crystalline substance that disrupted his energy patterns, something that a noncorporeal being would be vulnerable to (if you were familiar with the particulars of their "physiology", such as it is). More like luxology
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McSpanky posted:Pretty sure JMS said that Kosh himself was poisoned by a crystalline substance that disrupted his energy patterns, something that a noncorporeal being would be vulnerable to (if you were familiar with the particulars of their "physiology", such as it is). Still want to know how that handshake even worked. Makes me wonder if the original plan for Kosh was that he actually had limbs of some sort, encounter-suited or otherwise, behind that curtain.
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you would be correct that's kosh and his 'life mate'
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Horizon Burning posted:you would be correct Yeah Vorlons were originally conceived as reptilian, and the 'life mate' there was an unused character, Valena.
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Arach posted:Yeah Vorlons were originally conceived as reptilian, and the 'life mate' there was an unused character, Valena. Of course, for the pairing motif.
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While a lot of B5 seems weirdly prescient because of how it was about some future rise of fascism, that's only because it was doing a lot of looking backward at previous rises of fascism, and it's not hard to imagine that happening again. And a whole lot of incidents where totalitarian leaders were overthrown involve a lot of the military defecting, and a coup plot is a lot easier to pull off on soundstages with a tight cast than it would be to depict mass uprisings. There's also the whole aspect that B5 was already written as being controlled by the military, so of course they're gonna come from a military perspective. It seems like a lot of sci-fi about humans spreading across the stars winds up with the military taking the lead, and the few series that don't usually fall into horrible dystopias where corporations have run wild. Sanguinia posted:And of course, nobody seems to have a problem that the next commander of B5 was on Clarke's side of the war, and is extremely Loud And Proud about it. I thought she explicitly refused to confirm or deny which side she was on, which in its own way implied that she was loyal to Clarke. It's been a long while since I watched season 5, but I think there was a real theme of a lot of the things that were won in the rest of the show beginning to decay. That one season finale that looked into the future really predicted a lot of bad times ahead.
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Hmm... I started watching B5 regularly during S3, so it wasn't until TNT picked the show up that I was able to watch the whole thing from the beginning. I was definitely caught up by the end of S5. I also recorded every episode off TV onto VHS, and for a few years in grad school I'd do a 2-week binge after the school year ended to decompress. I know I rewatched again when the DVD sets came out. After that, I think my next rewatch wasn't until 2004, when I watched the whole thing over the course of a year with my parents. Between then and now I think I did one more full rewatch, and was most of the way through another with friends when they moved out of state. So that would be 7 full watches, perhaps? Sanguinia posted:President Luchenko's first words to Sheridan are that half of the General Staff wants him shot, and when the twist that he's been elected at the ISA's President comes down, the first thing that happens is that some nameless General storms into the office they're holding him in looking to snatch back the Presidential Pardon covering his subordinate officers because he's basically evaded whatever retribution they had planned for him in the wake of his resignation from the military. And of course, nobody seems to have a problem that the next commander of B5 was on Clarke's side of the war, and is extremely Loud And Proud about it. This is undoubtedly where Crusade was heading. Clark wasn't the only human who'd answered Morden's question. Worse, Crusade happens after the Telepath War, so undoubtedly Earth has cracked down again and the paranoid amoral bastards behind all the experimentation with Shadow-tech probably ended up being crucial in resolving that crisis, especially as I'm guessing the Shadows had worked on ways to jam telepath capabilities. JMS might have been able to do something interesting there, especially if the Drahk plague ended up being a second banana threat in comparison to the plague of fascism spreading through Earthforce. I had vague suspicions that they'd find a cure for the plague, but then learn it was a collective artificial intelligence and end up making it an ally against the real villains, which would have been a pretty massive switch. It's clear JMS registered that the Earth Civil War hadn't solved anything much, and "Deconstruction" demonstrates that Crusade wouldn't have, either. Humans may form communities, as Delenn says, but that includes fascist ones. Angry Salami posted:The ISA is just an absolute mess if you think about it; Sheridan seems to be Earth's representative on the council, despite Earth having no say in his appointment, there's no sign it does anything to fix the problems of the League worlds being effectively voiceless, and the majority of the Alliance's military answers to the President's wife. Farmer Crack-rear end' point about the Minbari being partly responsible is well-taken, but it's interesting to think that Sinclair wasn't part of the crew for B4. I am wondering whether, between the sabotage and the obvious career (and possibly species) ending consequences of screwing up, no trained ambassador was willing to take on the task. It's very likely that the Minbari knew they needed to request Sinclair for B5, and the fact that B5 was co-funded gave them the leverage to do so. That would have set the precedent, although it seems possible that post-series Earth would have sent a separate ambassador. As for the ISA, I again think it's plausible Earth simply hasn't appointed a new representative yet. For that matter, does all of humanity get a single representative? If so, why would that person be from Earth, instead of Mars or Proxima or somewhere else? I would wager that it would take months to sort out the Earth government post-Clark, without factoring in all those additional complications; in any event, having a genuine UN-like body with a role more significant than that of the council in the show would be its own show, and I'm about 100% certain no studio executive would sign off on the idea. The Star Wars prequels came closest to giving us something like that. S5 is pretty clear that Sheridan is in over his head, although part of the problem is they're mostly running the ISA government as an ad-hoc assemblage on B5. "My buddy the security chief is now in charge of all ISA intelligence" is not an especially wise decision, and for the most part the whole organization is falling back on the pre-existing structure within the Rangers, which is good in a military sense but not so much in a political sense. Then again, best practice when forming an organization like this one is to allow the empowered representatives work out how the government functions, and while G'Kar's principles may be in place early on ("Let's eat!"), sorting the rest would plausibly take more than 1 year. The show's subtext supports a reading that Sheridan as ISA head makes sense in that he's the one figure that the peoples of the galaxy would collectively support, after his leadership in the Shadow/Vorlon war and his successful ending of that war. Not long after we meet him in S2 we find out how much he loves first-contact situations, and he seems genuinely good at that, so he's ideal to convince the various worlds to join the ISA as well as to recruit peoples not part of the existing B5 council. We don't really see him doing that, but then again, we don't see a lot of that work in S5. He's a good consensus-builder to get the ISA off the ground, but he isn't an especially skilled politician and we see him outmaneuvered multiple times in S5. Ironically, that may be part of what made him an acceptable first ISA President. The show isn't that interested in the administrative details, but I'd say that there's clear evidence they can't get worked out properly until after S5, when we shift from the B5 staff running the show to other people and when the headquarters moves to Minbar. The encyclopedia says Delenn took over after 18 years, and presumably Sheridan got better at his new job, though no doubt with Delenn's help. Delenn is pretty clearly the one who will be, when it comes to making the ISA function properly. While we as show-watchers may appreciate what Delenn is capable of, she's almost certain to be underestimated by most of the member states: the Minbari know better, and select humans (I am guessing Clark did not televise her forcing Earthforce to abandon its attack on B5), but none of the other leadership is going to know what exactly they're getting into until they're riding the tiger. It's not clear how long she runs things, but I'm guessing it was decades. JMS obviously has more faith in individual people than in administrative or governmental structures. Regardless of whether or not that's justified, it is certainly reflected in the show's handling of the ISA. In doing a bit of research for this post I consulted the "Sleeping in Light" script. Aside from the drat onions in here all of a sudden, I was again struck at just how wonderfully that episode treats Emperor Vir. What a hell of a good character arc.
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SlothfulCobra posted:It seems like a lot of sci-fi about humans spreading across the stars winds up with the military taking the lead, and the few series that don't usually fall into horrible dystopias where corporations have run wild This is, like the fascism stuff, from history; the costs had to be paid somehow, and in the vast majority of cases this was either through exploration and colonising being done under military command (eg the voyages of Captain Cook) or corporate (the East India Company).
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Sanguinia posted:President Luchenko's first words to Sheridan are that half of the General Staff wants him shot, and when the twist that he's been elected at the ISA's President comes down, the first thing that happens is that some nameless General storms into the office they're holding him in looking to snatch back the Presidential Pardon covering his subordinate officers because he's basically evaded whatever retribution they had planned for him in the wake of his resignation from the military. I'd love to see an alternate-timeline episode where Sheridan refuses to play ball and just flatly tells Luchenko "i did nothing wrong, and your ~political realities~ massacred tens of thousands of innocent civilians. up yours.", Luchenko has him arrested, and then walks over and sits down with Delenn, Londo, and G'kar and says "hey this has been fun having you over, but we're going to have to insist on Babylon 5 being returned to Earth control immediately. oh and we're also demanding the extradition of the B5 officers who supported Sheridan." The look on her face when they say "for the first time in galactic history, the Narn Regime, Centauri Republic, Minbari Federation, and the entire League of Non-Aligned Worlds have all agreed on something, and that thing was to come charging in to save Sheridan. Who the gently caress are you to be dictating terms?" would be absolutely golden.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I thought she explicitly refused to confirm or deny which side she was on, which in its own way implied that she was loyal to Clarke. You could be right. I distinctly remember her getting real snotty about "soldiers aren't supposed to turn on their government!!" which is what prompted me to think she was a loyalist as well.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I thought she explicitly refused to confirm or deny which side she was on, which in its own way implied that she was loyal to Clarke. Nope. In 507 she stated that she was on the other side.
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Clean Wehrmacht and Sita Burning in the same thread. Weird confluence of everything.
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I've watched Babylon 5 season 1 four times now, season 2 three times, season 3 twice, and never completely watched seasons 4 or season 5. Here is a sampling of what science-fiction fans thought of Babylon 5 as it originally aired in 1994. &&&&&&&&&&& Date: 30 Mar 94 22:55:47 GMT From: hummel@athena.mit.edu (Franklin Hummel) Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu Subject: Re: B5-loaded question feline+@RI.CMU.EDU (Carol S Boshears) writes: >I see that there are a lot of B5 fans out there. No flames please, but >please give me a list of reasons you think this show is good. Think of the 1st season of STAR TREK:TNG. A lot of people seem to have forgotten it. It was horrible, and a lot of the reason why, in addition to BAD scripts, was bad acting! Talk about stiff! Ecch! >(I actually liked the pilot.) I believe it had/has potential, but is far >from what it could be. As people who are amazed at its popularity, I just Remember the pilot for TNG - "Encounter at Farpoint"? Pretty sad, pretty bad... And you LIKED the B5 pilot! The reason WHY I like B5 so much is BECAUSE of its potential. And it is slowly showing that potential. After all, we have only been shown EIGHT episodes! Would you have wanted to judge TNG by its first episodes? Among the reasons why it has potential: Harlan Ellison, David Gerrold, Dorothy Fontana. All writers for the original TREK and with Ellison and Gerrold, well-establish and well-respect professional SF authors. There are other SF-related authors working on it as well. It's a NEW show; it is taking time to work-out the bugs, things to start coming together, etc. etc.. I would say, 4 of the first 8 stories ("Soul Hunter", "Parliment of Dreams", "And the Sky Full of Stars" and "Mind War" have been good to excellent. Only 2 have been bad: "War Prayer" "Infection". And, in my opinion, both rated a LOT better then TNG's recent "Genesis" - I suspect TREK continues to have fairly high numbers out of people's habot of watching it, not because there is much quality left in it. I'm one of those folks who think the HIGH point for TNG was its 3rd and 4th season. That is was a slow rise us, and a rapid drop downward (which is still continuing). I can barely watch the show any more. (And, you are talking with someone who help run TREK cons, has had TREK actors in their home for dinner, and was a BIG Trek fan for over 25 years, starting with the very first episode which aired in 1966!) The point is, it look 2+ years for TNG to find itself and start producing really good stuff. And yet people want to dump B5 as trash and a rip-off and fill-in-the-insult-here after EIGHT episodes? They seem to have forgotten TREK's own history! But the thing about BABYLON 5 that is making it really of interest is its ongoing storyline. Even the poorer episodes you still come away with an interest and a fasination with this overall story. There ARE wonders to be seen and experienced in BABYLON 5. But these come with time, not all at once. If you want a quick fix of junk food, watch TREK - that is what it has become. If you want something which will stay with you, something you can savor and joy overtime, watch BABYLON 5. Frank Hummel hummel@mit.edu ------------------------------ *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 12 Apr 94 10:16:28 EDT From: Saul Jaffe (The Moderator) <sf-lovers-request@rutgers.edu> Sender: sfl@gandalf.rutgers.edu To: SFLOVERS-RECIPIENTS Subject: SF-LOVERS Digest V19 #261 Reply-To: SF-LOVERS-TV@rutgers.edu SF-LOVERS Digest Tuesday, 12 Apr 1994 Volume 19 : Issue 261 Today's Topics: Television - Babylon 5 (11 msgs) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 31 Mar 94 11:36:16 GMT From: snotley@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Stephen Notley) Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu Subject: The station's political significance This one's sort of a long 'un. Basically, I just got to thinking about the comparative effort that each race seems to be putting in to their participation in B5, and that lead to some thoughts. So, here's my list of races, in order of least interested to most, and what that might or might not imply. The Centauri - We lack specific information about how much the Centauri might have acutally committed to B5 in terms of production assistance, but it's pretty clear they're not really interested in its operation. Several reasons, here. 1) Their ambassador is a big goof. Now, we know that Londo is a deeper, more complex person than all that, but certain facts are true. We know that he drinks, and we know that he'd rather spend more time in the casino than in the council chamber. He is a serious person, but he doesn't *appear* to be, and in diplomacy, that's half the game. 2) Vir. That's all the support Londo has received from Centauri Prime. One staff member, and apparently only enough money that Londo keeps running out on the gambling tables. An American embassy has dozens of staff, even in seemingly inconsequential countries. 3) Londo is ineffective. The one time he tried to achieve anything was in "Midnight", when he tried to avenge what he thought was the murder of his nephew. He got turned down flat by Centauri Prime. So, not only was the recommendation of the B5 ambassador ignored, but the Centauri went on to leave Londo pretty much completely out of the loop, even going so far as to respond to G'Kar's request for information. In other words, there was a crisis and the Centauri very specifically did NOT use Babylon 5 to resolve it. They just dealt with it independently. So, as an empire in decline, you'd think that they'd see B5 as a place with some opportunity, but at the moment that hasn't happened. They seem, at the moment, to be just along for the ride, but they don't really seem committed to the station. The Narn - Now, here's a total contrast to the Centauri. Londo is (on the surface) ridiculous, and he receives little support from homeworld. G'kar, on the other hand, is flamboyant, powerful - a perfect statesman. Furthermore, we see that he enjoys considerable support from home. He has a steady stream of staff, and in fact in "Mind War" we see that he has the kind of pull to actually just dial up a pair of fighters on a whim. The Narn are putting some effort into *using* B5. Consider the situation in "Midnight." Here's an interstellar incident. What happens? The Centauir back out. The Narn, on the other hand, jump at the opportunity to use B5 to legitimize their invasion. The key responsibility of forestalling the possible interstellar repercussions is given to G'kar - the B5 ambassador. They very specifically use the council to make sure they get away with it (or they try, anyway). And, to top it off, we've seen hints that G'kar is more in the know than we might have thought. Watch the "nobody is what he seems" scene in "Mind War and you'll see he gives particular emphasis to his reference to Sinclair. Yes, he's talking to Catherine, but the fact is, he knows something. I get the impression (which I'll deal with in more length below) that something is seriously up at B5, and I think the Narn know more than they're telling. The Humans - Well, we built the drat thing. Now, the big question is: if giant UNs in space are such a good idea, how come only humans seem interested in pursuing it? We've built five, and nobody else seems eager to start even one. Why? Ideally, there should be diplomatic and economic advantage to being the race running the thing if it works, but we have yet to see that it does. B5 is proof of at least one thing that makes humanity different - we strive to create a community in space. Consider a B5-less universe. Each race has embassies on the homeworlds of each of the others. Their diplomatic interaction, therefore, is one-on-one. It's unidimensional. If there's a dispute between the Narn and the Earth Alliance, then the Narn ambassadors talk to Earth officials and vice versa. The other ambassadors from other races are informed, but it's fundamentally not their problem. With B5, all races are invited to take an interest in each other, even when the issue doesn't directly affect them. The humans are the first and only race to attempt to create this kind of community. Perhaps that makes us more interesting than we realize, which segues nicely into... The Minbari - Now we're getting somewhere. Judged by the same criteria I've been applying to the others, the Minbari interest is huge. We know that they actually assisted in the construction (I think). We know that they took an extremely active interest in who the commander was, and we see that although the ambassador doesn't receive a lot of outward support, with a huge staff and lots of supplies, the Minbari go one better by installing a head of state as ambassador. What are they so interested? Speculation time. Possible spoilers, I guess. Think back. It's a few years before the Earth-Minbari War. The Minbari are finalizing their incredible plans for the sentient races of the universe. Perhaps it is a joining, a mergence and transformation. Perhaps it's considerably more sinister. At any rate, they know that they will encounter horrific opposition, but for some reason they know they have to do this. Then the E-M War happens. Maybe it's the mistake we think it is, maybe it's actually the first stages of this incredible plan. Whatever. The point is, they crush Earth defenses and are about to crush Earth when one of the holy men on the main cruiser stops, noticing something in one of the men in one of the ships they are cutting up. They fire up their tractor beams or their telekinetics and pull him in. They strap him to a giant triangle. One approaches, and holds up a glowing triangle, a device they use to read the threads of fate. What do they see? They see a giant space station. They see Babylon 5, an idea that had never existed before. They suddenly realize the potential. Perhaps this thing that may lie in this man's future can help them. It may...just...be...possible that they can use it. They could never have set such a thing up themselves, of course, because no race would trust them enough to participate. But this is a uniquely human invention. The humans will create it of their own accord, given the chance, and they'll run it too, and the other races may actually go along with it. It's risky, but it allows them a way out of the horrific genocide they knows lies along their own path. They know that it may just be possible to use this station to bring their plans to fruition, at a fraction of the cost. And they know that, whatever happens, this man is part of it. They convene. They decide. They will do it. They will take the path of risk and greater mercy. But who knows what might happen if this new path fails? Might it not destroy everything? Well, it's just a thought. The Vorlons - This doesn't really belong here. Who knows how the Vorlons feel about B5? Sorry, Mr. Naranek is feeling cryptic today; actually, he'll be down with a case of cryptic all week, now that you mention it. We know that he's full of BS when he says that they take no interest in the affairs of others, since he's there, after all. Perhaps they fit into this whole Minbari thing somehow, and Kosh is just posted there to keep tabs on things. We *do* know that they've made it abundantly clear they will not be messed with. When you send an armed fleet to pick up the *suspected* poisoner of your ambassador, you're announcing pretty clearly that you take certain things pretty seriously. He sure is cool, though. So, any comments? This one's all over the map. Really, it's just an elaborate background for my "what-the-hell-was-actually-going-on-in-that- Minbari-cruiser?" theory, though some of the early stuff may help to slot in new info about different intentions. I don't know. I at least like my version a little better than some of the "they-just-didn't-realize-how- brave we-were" explanations for why they grabbed Sinclair. Stephen snotley@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca ------------------------------ Date: 31 Mar 94 20:26:29 GMT From: snolan@selma.hq.af.mil (Scott D Nolan) Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu Subject: I have to ask, does anyone like Garibaldi? Ok, I have to ask, does anyone like the character Garibaldi? Don't mean to sound tough on him, but this is a fabulous show and the things I feel could be done to make it perfect would be to make the current first officer the security officer, bring back the first officer from the pilot movie, dump Garibaldi altogether, and (grin) give Lando a haircut... :-) All in all, a great show with FANTASTIC effects. Specially the fighter and space shots (no big surprise), but also the characters (which I am very pleasantly surprised at). The plots are also really good, though some of them don't seem to catch until the second viewing.... hmmm.... Anxiously waiting more episodes and hoping for a rerun of the Pilot. Scott Nolan snolan@selma.hq.af.mil ------------------------------ Date: 31 Mar 94 21:11:48 GMT From: mojo@netcom.com (Morris Jones) Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu Subject: Re: Unnatural Sinclair shupe@crazyhorse.rchland.ibm.com (Jim Shupe) writes: >One question to end this post... what episode had Delenn and Sinclair >married in a Minbari ceremony??? "Parliament of Dreams." And keep in mind that Sinclair was the only candidate to run B5 that the Minbari didn't veto. Morris Jones Campbell, CA mojo@caere.com ------------------------------ Date: 31 Mar 94 21:22:40 GMT From: gwangung@u.washington.edu (just another theatre geek) Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu Subject: Re: The station's political significance Very nice analysis and dead on, as far as I'm concerned. I'm not certain the speculations are quite right, but it has the right weight and complexity... Definitely more subtle than what we've seen in SF TV before... Roger Tang gwangung@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ Date: 31 Mar 94 22:08:04 GMT From: ggodwin@jabba.cybernetics.net (Greg Godwin) Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu Subject: Re: The station's political significance >I don't know but I think the Vorlons ARE the key to much of what WILL >happen on the station. Perhaps even the Vorlons and the Minbari are in >cahoots to "bring along" the evolution of the human species, neh? I don't think so...Remeber the movie premiere? A Minbari was in alliance with the Narn when Kosh was poisoned. Kosh made it clear that he doesn't really care about what happens to the Narn or Minbari. There is definitely something strange about Kosh. Sinclair stated that the only two people who knew the most about Kosh were transferred off the station within weeks of each other. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Mar 94 22:31:14 GMT From: mojo@netcom.com (Morris Jones) Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu Subject: Re: Babylon 1-4 smirnov@buphy.bu.edu (Anton Smirnov) writes: >What happened to Babalon 1-4? do we know yet? Babylons 1-3 were all sabatoged and destroyed. In fact, their left over parts were recycled as much as possible into Babylon 5. Babylon 4 disappeared without a trace within 24 hours of becoming operational. We'll find out what happened in "Babylon Squared," but I'll bet half a year's salary that we won't find out _why_.  Morris Jones Campbell, CA mojo@caere.com ------------------------------ Date: 31 Mar 94 23:22:00 GMT From: sulkom@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Mark Sulkowski) Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu Subject: Re: Sinclair as Ambassador bishop@pole.catt.ncsu.edu (Dexy) writes... >I'm not sure if ambassador really is in Sinclair's job description. One thing mentioned in "The War Prayer" is that there are ambassadors from the major races on Earth also. The "real" Earth ambassador is probably there. Sinclair was approved by the Minbari to be the Earth representative on the station. I'm not sure why there is this dual-UN style arrangement. Mark S. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Mar 94 23:56:17 GMT From: nmehl@ccat.sas.upenn.edu (Nathan J. Mehl) Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu Subject: Re: There are two holes in your mind. jhove@cs.mcgill.ca (Benoit JAUVIN-GIRARD) writes: >You want to know what I think? > >I think that, when the Minbaris looked through Sinclair's mind, whatever >the original reason (maybe they wanted to put him on trial for the whole >human race, or wanted to perform some ritual ceremony using him), they >found out that, as far as their computers can tell, Sinclair is the best >candidate to become Next High Minbari Mucky-Muck, leader of the Faithful, >Head of the Grey Consul, etc. You know... This is the first idea of what the hell is up with Sinclair that I've seen here that actually appeals to me. I don't think it'll be the case, but unlike most of the others, I wouldn't automatically feel the need to pound JMS into the ground if this were the case. >Then I think they panicked, erased those 24 hours of torture in shame, and >ran away. And now they're trying to figure out what to do with him. > >Or maybe he was indentified as some sort of Messiah figure? Or maybe they >discovered that *someone else* had implanted the personnality profile of >their great leader into Sinclair's mind? Y'know, I'd bet large amounts of money that none of these are the case, but it'd make for some pretty interesting alternate-universe fanfic... Speaking of which, have any actual fan organizations sprung up around B5 yet? It's still a *little* early, but if it gets picked up for a second season, an officially PTEN-sponsored and approved fan club might be in order. Hell, if my thesis is finished by that point, I might even volunteer to run the thing... Nathan J. Mehl nmehl@ccat.sas.upenn.edu ------------------------------ Date: 31 Mar 94 23:56:19 GMT From: crdmi@vulcan.giss.nasa.gov (Daniel M. Israel) Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu Subject: Re: I have to ask, does anyone like Garibaldi? Garibaldi is cool. In a station full of diplomats, kudos to an obnoxious, abrasive personality. Daniel M. Israel Goddard Institute of Space Studies 2880 Broadway New York, NY crdmi@vulcan.giss.nasa.gov ------------------------------ Date: 31 Mar 94 23:58:34 GMT From: bishop@pole.catt.ncsu.edu (Dexy) Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu Subject: Re: The station's political significance Greg Godwin <ggodwin@jabba.cybernetics.net> wrote: >really care about what happens to the Narn or Minbari. There is >definitely something strange about Kosh. Sinclair stated that the only >two people who knew the most about Kosh were transferred off the station >within weeks of each other. Has this got something to do with Kosh in particular? I think it has more to do with the Vorlons simply being _quite_ protective about their secrets... bishop@pole.catt.ncsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: 1 Apr 94 00:38:59 GMT From: mmaser@sirius.uvic.ca (Michael Maser) Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu Subject: Minbari/Sinclair I have and always will feel that humans have the inate ability to use latent psychic powers, but those who aren't aware need to be trained in order to bring these powers out. I feel that the Minbari saw that Sinclair had these latent psychic abilities and upon further investigation, saw that all humans possessed the same abilities. Furthermore, the fact that there even exists a Psi-Corp, that is at the brink of discovering a way to unleash these powers, leads me to believe this to be the fundamental reason for Sinclair's release and the Minbari surrender. The Minbari realized that fully trained humans would be able to wipe out entire fleets with just a simple thought. This type of Telekinetic power would be unstoppable, so it is much easier to roll over in defeat as the Minbari did. If Sinclair were to remember any of his time aboard the Minbari cruiser, he would realize the truth about himself and all other humans. Furthermore, I think that the other races (Narn, Centauri, etc.) do not possess these abilities as shown by the blatant Centauri lie about their psychics. I feel the Minbari are hoping that they may be able to find their own psychic abilities by monitoring the human's progress. Thus it would be to their disadvantage to kill Sinclair and wipe out the human race. Therefore, the Minbari surrender was motivated out of fear and to better thier own race. But I could be wrong !!?? Mike Maser mmaser@ugly.uvic.ca ------------------------------ End of SF-LOVERS Digest *********************** 1,, Received: by gandalf.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA12794; Tue, 12 Apr 94 10:36:24 EDT Date: Tue, 12 Apr 94 10:36:24 EDT Message-Id: <9404121436.AA12794@gandalf.rutgers.edu> From: Saul Jaffe (The Moderator) <sf-lovers-request@rutgers.edu> Sender: sfl@gandalf.rutgers.edu Errors-To: sf-lovers-errors@rutgers.edu To: SFLOVERS-RECIPIENTS Subject: SF-LOVERS Digest V19 #262 Reply-To: SF-LOVERS-TV@rutgers.edu *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 12 Apr 94 10:36:24 EDT From: Saul Jaffe (The Moderator) <sf-lovers-request@rutgers.edu> Sender: sfl@gandalf.rutgers.edu To: SFLOVERS-RECIPIENTS Subject: SF-LOVERS Digest V19 #262 Reply-To: SF-LOVERS-TV@rutgers.edu SF-LOVERS Digest Tuesday, 12 Apr 1994 Volume 19 : Issue 262 Today's Topics: Television - Babylon 5 (15 msgs) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 1 Apr 94 01:17:48 GMT From: hammar@python.cs.unm.edu (neil hammar) Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu Subject: Re: Sinclair as Ambassador markl@dvorak.amd.com (Mark Luedtke) wrote: >except why is a military officer, who should be a full time base >commander, Actually a mere commander is far too low ranking for even this task. This station has a quarter million people on it. The head human should be an admiral at least, with a half dozen people under him who still outrank Sinclair. >also an ambassador? The Minbari helped finance the Babylon project. (The Minbari are also the race we are most worried about keeping the peace with, so their opinion would carry a lot of weight anyway.) The Minbari refused to participate unless they approved of the station commander. The Minbari then rejected every person the Earth Alliance proposed, until they worked all the way down through the ranks to a fighter jock whose career had hit a ten year stall. The Minbari then send a member of the Gray Council on covert assignment as their ambassador. The Minbari are >up to something<. Neil Hammar hammar@cs.unm.edu ------------------------------ Date: 1 Apr 94 02:21:44 GMT From: Aylott@world.std.com (Chris M Aylott) Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu Subject: Re: I have to ask, does anyone like Garibaldi? Scott D Nolan (snolan@Selma.hq.af.mil) wrote: >does anyone like the character Garibaldi? I liked him in "The Gathering", but he became one of my favorites in "Midnight". Can't decide whether it was his second favorite thing or the line "If you ask me, the universe is going to hell in a handbasket." Quite aside from the funny lines (and he gets a LOT of them :-), I love the fact that he seems to be the loneliest of the regulars - he always seems a little too eager to please others. I noticed it first in the final scene with Ivanova in "Born to the Purple" when (after letting her off the hook for the unauthorized transmissions) he tries to reach out and help her feel better, but can't quite connect. But as you see from the other responses, he's pretty popular, at least with the viewing audience. Aylott ------------------------------ Date: 1 Apr 94 05:16:55 GMTF From: seurer@nordruth.rchland.ibm.com (Bill Seurer) Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu Subject: Re: I have to ask, does anyone like Garibaldi? Garibaldi always has struck me as the most, err, "natural" of the human characters. He fits his role on the station well and the part is well acted too. Obviously JMS like the character too because Garibaldi is always showing up in the elevator or wherever so someone can elbow him in the gut. :-) I always know I'll like the next bit of the show when he's involved. Since then I've come to like Susan just as much but her character took a bit more getting used to. And the two of them together are always great. Bill Seurer Language and Compiler Development IBM Rochester, MN BillSeurer@vnet.ibm.com BillSeurer@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: 1 Apr 94 05:36:57 GMT From: Eric@wolf359.esnet.com (Eric Edwards) Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu Subject: Re: Third Age of Mankind (was Re: B5: Minbari Culture. Mark O. Wilson writes: > BTW, I thought it was firmly established that the Vorlons were methane > breathers. NOTHING is firmly established about the Vorlons. The methane atmosphere may be a ruse. Since Kosh has not been seen outside an environ suit, he could breath most anything. Eric Edwards eric@wolf359.esnet.com ------------------------------ Date: 1 Apr 94 05:50:43 GMT From: dmarch1@gl.umbc.edu (Donald March) Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu Subject: Re: I have to ask, does anyone like Garibaldi? (maybe spoilers) >I liked him in "The Gathering", but he became one of my favorites in >"Midnight". Can't decide whether it was his second favorite thing or the >line "If you ask me, the universe is going to hell in a handbasket." I nearly died laughing when I saw Garibaldi watching Duck Dodgers in the 24th 1/2 Century! And with Delenn looking puzzled. >Quite aside from the funny lines (and he gets a LOT of them :-), I love >the fact that he seems to be the loneliest of the regulars - he always >seems a little too eager to please others. I noticed it first in the final >scene with Ivanova in "Born to the Purple" when (after letting her off the >hook for the unauthorized transmissions) he tries to reach out and help >her feel better, but can't quite connect. I think that Garibaldi will be the first, if anyone, to crack Ivanova's hard exterior. I like how she said "maybe some other time." This leaves room for definite expansion. Maybe she'll share Garibaldi's second favorite thing in the universe. Maybe she'll share something else too... Donald March University of Maryland Baltimore County dmarch1@gl.umbc.edu ------------------------------ Date: 1 Apr 94 07:07:53 GMT From: threlkel@ucsu.colorado.edu (THRELKELD TIMOTHY PATRICK) Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu Subject: Re: I have to ask, does anyone like Garibaldi? What the hell? I think Garibaldi is the best actor on B5. He is the only one not trying so hard to be something. Sinclair is too stuffed up, the first officer is one dimensional, the Psi-corp girl is too overly dramatic... I could go on with other minor flaws, but IMHO Garibaldi and Lando give this show an immeasurable flare to a cast and show that otherwise is rather dull. Tim ------------------------------ Date: 1 Apr 94 08:49:11 GMT From: cfg@netcom.com (Carlos Francisco Gomez) Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu Subject: Re: What do the Narn (sp.?) know? mduell@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark Duell) writes: >I was watching the pilot movie for B5 yesterday and noticed that G'Kar >knew that DeLenn was on the Grey Council. How did he find this out, and >why haven't the Earth Alliance personel been able to discover it? I >realize the Narn knowledge must be limited because G'Kar kept pressing in >asking why the Minbari didn't finish the Earth off until DeLenn put him >into pain. G'Kar didn't know Delenn was on the Grey Council, but he did know : 1 - Carolyn's space route as part of his implication of Sinclair. 2 - That Kosh was recovering, else why the risky attack in the Med Lab? 3 - Sinclair was the "accused assassin" after the telepath in the pilot identified him. In MOTFL he also knew: 4 - Londo was trying to bluff the "U.N." into placing sanctions against the Narn against the orders of the Centauri Republic. 5 - ? There are probably others I have forgotten. While each can be explained individually, as a whole they look fishy to me. IMO he definitely has a covert newsfeed, maybe CNarN. Humble apologies for the pun, but it had to be done, if only for the fun. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Apr 94 16:53:03 GMT From: johnmajor@aol.com (John Major) Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu Subject: Re: Minbari & Humans >> Okay, then why in the episode "Soul Hunter" did the renegade soulhunter >> say to the ambasador something to the effect of how can they be so bold >> or brave or something as what they plan to do regarding humans. He then >> said to the commander something to the effect of they (the Minbari) >> are using you. > > This reminds me of that one WarOfTheWorld episode where an alien female > comes to the Earth to "help" them..but turns out to be actually checking > up on the humans since their "human food source" was in danger of being > eliminated... But in "Soul Hunter," at the end, when Delenn is recovering (and only semi-conscious, and not on guard as she must be normally), she looks at Sinclair, smiles, and says "We were right about you. We..." Sinclair bets a year's pay that nobody would ever hear the rest of that sentence. What were they right about? That he was honorable, and would *help* the Minbari, maybe even risk his life for them? ------------------------------ Date: 2 Apr 94 23:30:42 GMT From: dgwagner@math.uwaterloo.ca (David G. Wagner) Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu Subject: Re: Garibaldi Yep... I'm one more what likes him. In fact, I can identify with all three of the "top" human characters, for various reasons. That really stuns me, actually, as most tv I've seen (and tv sf especially) is extremely flat when it comes to character depth. Here's what I mean: Garibaldi: wisecracking, jovial, but lonely... tough when he must be but he'd much rather be your buddy... and you have to like his second favourite thing in the universe! (Watching him and Delenn eating popcorn I nearly fell out of my chair!). I usually feel that Garibaldi's actions are quite well motivated. Ivanova: my favorite... she is a tense, nasty, tight-lipped bitch, and still a sympathetic character! Hearing her mother's story brought out into the open the fact that there must have been a lot of pain in her life to make her as she is now, although that was apparent from the start (I thought). BTW, for you twits who think she should get together with Talia... no way, it'll never happen. Sinclair: the "mystery man"... O'Hare has been criticized for wooden acting, but he has a tough assignment. Sinclair is not an expressive person. He has a lot going on in his head that he does not want to let out... how exactly do you portray that? As for leadership qualities, I figure he's doing fine: solid in a confrontation, decisive, and flexible (see MotFL). I think O'Hare's performance in AtSFoS was great, and I'm waiting for our next little peek into Sinclair's character. ("Commander, there's a problem!"... sheesh, the guy never gets a break!) Dave Wagner dgwagner@math.uwaterloo.ca ------------------------------ Date: 3 Apr 94 16:18:27 GMT From: cdj@lns598.lns.cornell.edu (Chris D Jones) Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu Subject: Alien gender characteristics I was watching some tapes of the show last night and as I looked at the various alien makeup I was wondering if certain characteristics of the make-up were gender linked. Centauri: They have the most obvious gender characteristics but are the differences in hair a genetic characteristic or mearly a fashion? The body types also appear to be close to human with males on average larger than females and females having mammary glands. Narn: By looking closely at the tapes I thought that the males seemed to have longer indented regions around their eyes than females although I only had one female to draw conclusions from. I didn't notice any obvious difference between the spot patterns between males and females. The Narn's didn't have obvious size differences between genders although females still seem to have mammary glands. Menbari: On Deleen's aid (Lenier?) I noticed the bone growth on his head (does that have an official name?) had a central ridge. Is this a sex linked characteristic or is it just a family trait? Vorlons: ???? Has anyone else noticed anything. I hope the writers add some very non-human physical differences to the various species. Chris Jones ------------------------------ Date: 3 Apr 94 17:38:08 GMT From: joshin@cats.ucsc.edu (Joshua Burnett Goldsmith) Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu Subject: Vorlons Am I alone in noticing that the Vorlons seem to look an awful lot like a human pelvis with a snake peeking through... Weird. Josh ------------------------------ Date: 4 Apr 94 19:38:03 GMT From: bjmusser@eos.ncsu.edu (BARBARA JANICE MUSSER) Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu Subject: Soul Hunter questions I was just rewatching Soul Hunter (you lucky people get it on Wednesday and I get it Sunday night!) and the Soul Hunter, after looking at Delenn's soul, says, "You would plan such a thing? You would DO such a thing??" He must be talking about something to do this Sinclair since he recognizes him as the one the Minbari did something to, but what was it? It seems like a strong statement for just some sort of mind blank. What could surprise a Soul Hunter? Also, when he asked why Sinclair was helping Delenn, the Soul Hunter said, "She is Satai." That seems to imply that just because she is Satai is a good enough reason for Sinclair to not help her. Maybe a Satai is more than JUST a member of the Grey Council. Then he says that they're using you. Could the you mean the human race or just Sinclair? Either way, saying that she is Satai is a good enough reason not to help her seems to imply something about the title. Barbara ------------------------------ Date: 4 Apr 94 19:59:38 GMT From: bcranton@coal.wpi.edu (Brian W. Cranton) Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu Subject: Some nit-picking observations ***Major Spoilers Ahead for Soul Hunter, Midnight on the Firing Line, and The Sky is Full of Star(?) *** Oh - my other big gripe is that space scenes always seem to start out real good and spectacular, but end with a depressingly quick fizzle (this is more of a letdown than a gripe, some of the scenes are phenomenal - only their endings leave a lot to be desired). A lot of people have already mentioned the Soul Hunter ship recovery which started out mind boggling good, but ended without much in the way of cool FX (and, I might add, it ended with a typical MacGyver/Star Trek/Six Million Dollar Man/etc. artificial dramatic suspense scene. I mean when they were 10 seconds from impact and Sinclair is saying this is his last shot was anyone else wondering how Sinclair could have been so stupidly irresponsible to let the thing get that close to the station? And why the people at C&C just assume their Commander was insane and blow the thing away to save the station? They should have been counting down to say the thirty seconds to impact point, at which time they would have blown it away (i.e. someone manning the sensors saying "We will still have a 99% chance to deflect the ship up until it is within 27 seconds of imact with the station", and having Sinclair's last attempt at the 28 second mark). There are other scenes as well where it looks like either time or monetary constraints led to quick patchups of the end of the space scenes. For instance the Minbari tractor beam - after that magnificent space battle scene I am sure I'm not the only one who groaned in disgust when I saw the tractor beam kick in. If that wasn't a quick fix to get the point across to the viewer that Sinclair was indeed captured (in record time), I don't know what is. I have to admit I haven't seen many of the episodes so far (Mind War in particular is one I missed), but perhaps the space scene that sticks out in my mind as being the best done start to finish - that is, no bogus ending - was when Garibaldi and the other pilot were out surveying the destroyed Frighter in Midnight on the Firing Line. The way the spotlights from the fighters crisscrossed the frieghter was spectacular. The final space fight of that episode was good - but the Buck Roger's like appearance of the Renegade's spaceships just killed the scene. Watching the Furies manuver gracefully in 3-D spacelike motion was cool - but putting them next to cumbersome 'old sci-fi' looking Renegades really made the contrast between good and not-so-good really shine through. Brian Cranton bcranton@wpi.wpi.edu ------------------------------ Date: 4 Apr 94 21:03:58 GMT From: gonzalez@netcom.com (John Gonzalez) Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu Subject: Earth/centauris I have a question for those in the know. Now, is Earth near Centauri space or what was once Centauri space? That's the impression I've gotten so far. If my impression was correct, did the Centauris know about the humans on Earth when they were less advanced, in terms of space technology? Why didn't the Centauris go to Earth and strip it clean? Or did we, being and industrial society, strip it clean already? John ------------------------------ Date: 5 Apr 94 00:50:09 GMT From: wes5@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Diane Westerfield) Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu Subject: Re: Earth/centauris gonzalez@netcom.com (John Gonzalez) writes: >I have a question for those in the know. Now, is Earth near Centauri >space or what was once Centauri space? That's the impression I've gotten >so far. If my impression was correct, did the Centauris know about the >humans on Earth when they were less advanced, in terms of space >technology? Why didn't the Centauris go to Earth and strip it clean? Or >did we, being and industrial society, strip it clean already? JMS said that by the time the Centauris discovered Earth, they were in serious decline and didn't have the ability to invade the planet. So they made peaceful contact and traded technology for resources. They wouldn't trade us weapons during the Minbari war, however... The Centauris invaded the Narn homeworld some time (a century? more?) before discovering Earth. At that time they still had the power to enslave the Narns and strip their world (to hear G'Kar talk, anyway). When they pulled out they left a lot of technology, especially weapons, behind. This formed the basis for the Narn's weaponry industry. Diane Westerfield wes5@quads.uchicago.edu ------------------------------ End of SF-LOVERS Digest ***********************
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quantumfoam, can you find the first usage of 'mimbari?' tia
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Horizon Burning posted:quantumfoam, can you find the first usage of 'mimbari?' tia I want my loyal bucketheads to know that I looked into this and what I discovered will shock you. The word "minbar" appears on a number of what I can only assume are Al-Qaeda affiliated websites predating B5. Did JMS know about 9/11 and plant qlues in B5 or was he in on it? Find out on the next Gribble Report. If you hate cucks, click "like". If you want to "shackle" yourself to old Rusty, smash that Subscribe.
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VinylonUnderground posted:I want my loyal bucketheads to know that I looked into this and what I discovered will shock you. The word "minbar" appears on a number of what I can only assume are Al-Qaeda affiliated websites predating B5. Did JMS know about 9/11 and plant qlues in B5 or was he in on it? 
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I think JMS certainly put a clue to something about the future into the show: If only we had recognized his warning properly.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:I think JMS certainly put a clue to something about the future into the show: I've been saying for years that that has to be on purpose. There's no way you make a window design like that without knowing what you're doing.
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The episode aired in 1998. Do we know how early goatse.cx went online? I can believe the megadorks working on the show were among the first people to know about it.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I've been saying for years that that has to be on purpose. There's no way you make a window design like that without knowing what you're doing. It predates the goatman. Also, no ring.
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quantumfoam posted:
Yeah, that's the stuff. Nearly as good as a first watch reaction thread. Only worse because we can't chat with the reactors from back then the way we can with the live reactors here. It's also amusing to see how many of the guesses were right, or nearly so.
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Narsham posted:Farmer Crack-rear end' point about the Minbari being partly responsible is well-taken, but it's interesting to think that Sinclair wasn't part of the crew for B4. I am wondering whether, between the sabotage and the obvious career (and possibly species) ending consequences of screwing up, no trained ambassador was willing to take on the task. It's very likely that the Minbari knew they needed to request Sinclair for B5, and the fact that B5 was co-funded gave them the leverage to do so. That would have set the precedent, although it seems possible that post-series Earth would have sent a separate ambassador. "Hey boss, we opened this time capsule on the date set 1000 years ago. There's a message for you. By name. In Valen's handwriting..."
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VinylonUnderground posted:It predates the goatman. Also, no ring. I believe every sentient race has a "goatman", it's one of those great mysteries of the universe, understanding it would drive you mad...
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Next thing you're going to tell me JMS ISN'T Merlin! 
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VinylonUnderground posted:It predates the goatman. Also, no ring. Not quite; The website was 1999, but the original image is from 1997ish and B5's staff were big about being on the early days of the internet.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Not quite; The website was 1999, but the original image is from 1997ish and B5's staff were big about being on the early days of the internet. That invites the question of who in set design was in the extreme penetration community in the mid 1990s. 
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Sanguinia posted:Next thing you're going to tell me JMS ISN'T Merlin! Kosh is Merlin. JMS just wrote dialogue for him.
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Everyone arguing about the goatse window and missing the even more obvious butt hole reference.
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I'm probably not going to post up more 1994 Babylon 5 first reactions in here because I'm burning out extremely hard on my SFL Archives readthrough attempt and will be taking a break. Everything I've posted about Babylon 5 in this thread has come from https://archive.org/details/SFLoversDigestArchive Feel free to datamine the SFLoversDigestArchive for Babylon 5 content. You will need a 3rd party tool like notepad++ to read/open the files in the archive. Digest\sf-lovers.v18a & 18b cover 1993 aka when Babylon 5 pilot THE GATHERING came out. Digest\sf-lovers.v19a & 19b cover 1994 aka when Babylon 5 season 1 came out. Digest\sf-lovers.v20a & 20b cover 1995 aka when Babylon 5 season 2 came out. Digest\sf-lovers.v21a & 21b cover 1996 aka when Babylon 5 season 3 came out. Digest\sf-lovers.v22a & 22b cover 1997 aka when Babylon 5 season 4 came out. Digest\sf-lovers.v23 cover 1998 aka when Babylon 5 season 5 came out.
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Thank you for your awesome work, was a blast reading through those!
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jng2058 posted:Yeah, that's the stuff. Nearly as good as a first watch reaction thread. Only worse because we can't chat with the reactors from back then the way we can with the live reactors here. 
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Ayin posted:Well, as long as those live reactors don't melt down! You say that, but one thing I appreciated about B5 after watching a lot of TNG was how B5's fusion reactors were really drat stable compared to the -D's warp core that breached and risked blowing the ship up from pretty much drat near anything happening. The only comparable circumstance for B5 was that time someone stuck a bomb to the reactor!
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One of the sweetest moments of my childhood was when Scotty freaked out and shut down the reactor because lithium had been replaced by dilithium. My mother related to feeling old and obsolete. I related to be unwelcomed and unloved. It was, perhaps, the closest I have ever felt to my mother.
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jng2058 posted:You say that, but one thing I appreciated about B5 after watching a lot of TNG was how B5's fusion reactors were really drat stable compared to the -D's warp core that breached and risked blowing the ship up from pretty much drat near anything happening. The only comparable circumstance for B5 was that time someone stuck a bomb to the reactor! They don’t really go exploring in Babylon 5 though, and when they do, it’s just to the planet they’re orbiting, so there’s not as much novel danger. But I will concede that consoles explode much less often on Babylon 5 when there’s an emergency or an attack, which seems like the way to go.
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