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tankies are so thoroughly cucked that they'll claim that china manufacturing and exporting semiconductors and smartphones in factories owned by billionaires and sold for profit is a triumph of communism
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Feb 15, 2021 15:49
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Al-Saqr posted:What's the difference between a computer telling you what to do versus a computer doing it itself? read this recent page of the chess thread to find out with examples: (specifically sub rosa’s posts) https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3490241&perpage=40&noseen=1&pagenumber=91 even more specifically, that guy plays a lot of engine assisted correspondence chess where each player can use a computer to figure out their next move and they have 24+ hours per move to do so. on that page someone asked basically the same question you just asked and sub rosa explained in detail how the engines work, what their potential weaknesses are, and showed an example of a recent game of his where he picked a move that wasn’t even suggested by the computer and won the game and explained his reasoning and why it worked fart simpson has issued a correction as of 16:41 on Feb 15, 2021 |
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Feb 15, 2021 15:50
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Gaupo Guacho posted:tankies are so thoroughly cucked that they'll claim that china manufacturing and exporting semiconductors and smartphones in factories owned by billionaires and sold for profit is a triumph of communism are you ok?
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Feb 15, 2021 16:17
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Gaupo Guacho posted:tankies are so thoroughly cucked that they'll claim that china manufacturing and exporting semiconductors and smartphones in factories owned by billionaires and sold for profit is a triumph of communism
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Feb 15, 2021 17:19
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Venomous posted:Liberalism is inherently white supremacist op
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Feb 15, 2021 17:42
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Idia posted:Yasha Levine talks about it in his substack/podcast: https://yasha.substack.com/p/episode-2-russians-against-politics You can just sum it up with that Russians wholly bought into US propaganda but the rest of their argument that every Russian in every corner of the world is a frothing free market libertarian sounds insane. Plus their analysis of the soviet union and it's history just sounds totally wrong. I understand that it's a podcast and it's just pure entertainment, but using it to inform any sort of political view seems ridiculous.
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Feb 15, 2021 19:18
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chess sucks
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Feb 15, 2021 19:32
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Lostconfused posted:You can just sum it up with that Russians wholly bought into US propaganda but the rest of their argument that every Russian in every corner of the world is a frothing free market libertarian sounds insane. Plus their analysis of the soviet union and it's history just sounds totally wrong. I didn't get the impression that every Russian person is a frothing libertarian from their writings and podcasts. I've lived in NYC and have went to school with russian kids and watched most of them come out with really lovely politics. There's definitely a few that went the other way. The Russian emigres generally visit and stay within Russia for a large extent of time so they do influence national politics and vice versa. In some ways they're not any different backgrounds wise from other immigrants who have reactionary politics.
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Feb 15, 2021 20:18
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Gaupo Guacho posted:tankies are so thoroughly cucked that they'll claim that china manufacturing and exporting semiconductors and smartphones in factories owned by billionaires and sold for profit is a triumph of communism How thoroughly cucked do you have to be to doubt that it's a good thing for America and its lackeys to lose the monopoly on high technology they use to strangle any country that doesn't lick their boots?
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Feb 15, 2021 20:19
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Gaupo Guacho posted:tankies are so thoroughly cucked that they'll claim that china manufacturing and exporting semiconductors and smartphones in factories owned by billionaires and sold for profit is a triumph of communism Actually I just think it's neat that china is the one country on the planet that disappears billionaires
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Feb 15, 2021 20:24
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Gaupo Guacho posted:tankies are so thoroughly cucked that they'll claim that china manufacturing and exporting semiconductors and smartphones in factories owned by billionaires and sold for profit is a triumph of communism how many billionaires has the united states put to death
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Feb 15, 2021 21:11
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:how many billionaires has the united states put to death this is a meaningless metric
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Feb 15, 2021 21:13
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indigi posted:this is a meaningless metric says who? killing billionaires is an extremely important stat
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Feb 15, 2021 21:15
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indigi posted:this is a meaningless metric it would mean a lot to me personally
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Feb 15, 2021 21:18
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If your system creates vast private fortunes extracted from the labour of the working class, occasionally getting rid of one or two rich guys doesn't address the problem
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Feb 15, 2021 21:22
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Continuity NIP posted:If your system creates vast private fortunes extracted from the labour of the working class, occasionally getting rid of one or two rich guys doesn't address the problem 
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Feb 15, 2021 21:25
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what was the alternative? china had to let party officials/managers, hong kong, taiwanese, south korean, japanese, and american businessmen get rich in order to get capital it needed. china is now too big to fail and can't be cut out or decoupled from the global economy. the alternative if the gang of four won out was capitalist encirclement, sanction, blockade
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Feb 15, 2021 21:29
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KaptainKrunk posted:what was the alternative? china had to let party officials/managers, hong kong, taiwanese, south korean, japanese, and american businessmen get rich in order to get capital it needed. it had to let party officials join the billionaire class ??? KaptainKrunk posted:china is now too big to fail and can't be cut out or decoupled from the global economy. cool so when do they start phasing out billionaires
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Feb 15, 2021 21:31
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2049
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Feb 15, 2021 21:37
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indigi posted:cool so when do they start phasing out billionaires eliminating poverty in china is impossible without a mass redistribution of wealth. so, if xi is serious, something will have to be done.
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Feb 15, 2021 21:43
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KaptainKrunk posted:2049 gotta give the billionaires a good 30 years to live large as a reward for decoupling the Chinese economy from capitalism
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Feb 15, 2021 21:44
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indigi posted:it had to let party officials join the billionaire class ??? Long enough into the future that the idea doesn't threaten currently powerful people
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Feb 15, 2021 21:45
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indigi posted:gotta give the billionaires a good 30 years to live large as a reward for decoupling the Chinese economy from capitalism good luck getting money from the IMF or World Bank to develop your country if you dont enact policies that enable capital accumulation good luck trading in a global capitalist system if you dont enact policies that enable capital accumulation
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Feb 15, 2021 22:02
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:good luck getting money from the IMF or World Bank to develop your country wait I thought China was already past this phase. receiving conflicted information here
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Feb 15, 2021 22:11
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https://twitter.com/HelvetinPastori/status/1360152639825190916?s=20
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Feb 15, 2021 22:34
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China is still on a per capita basis a developing country. It doesn't need aid from the IMF or World Bank obviously, but it is still pretty reliant on foreign trade and FDI. Xi does not want to rock the boat until China shakes off a lot of this dependency and dominates most sectors of technological development.
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Feb 15, 2021 22:44
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indigi posted:gotta give the billionaires a good 30 years to live large as a reward for decoupling the Chinese economy from capitalism they might get to live in any event. mao killed a lot of landlords, but he also peacefully bought the estates of a lot of landlords
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Feb 15, 2021 22:50
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Ferrinus posted:they might get to live in any event. mao killed a lot of landlords, but he also peacefully bought the estates of a lot of landlords I’m fine with them living. I’m fine with them living well, tbh. I’d just like to see some systemic progress toward ending their obscene wealth
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Feb 15, 2021 22:57
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People should read Chuang for a Chinese dissident Marxist perspective on Chinese capitalism. You don't even need to buy the journals, there's a blog
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Feb 15, 2021 23:01
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indigi posted:I’m fine with them living. I’m fine with them living well, tbh. I’d just like to see some systemic progress toward ending their obscene wealth i think there's definitely been systemic progress, and conversely i wonder if there'll ever be a cathartic mask-off moment in which they're all expropriated or something like that even in the best case scenario. like you could imagine the state simply taking over enterprise after enterprise as owners retire or die off, taxing their inheritances into practical nonexistence, and just formally reorganizing work and pay scales in increasingly-common SOEs until private ownership is either a polite fiction or flatly impossible obviously, this is just wishful thinking and it could as easily be the case that the chinese exit their keynesian honeymoon period in the neoliberal direction. but, for as long as they need foreign investment, they can't actually break the back of their state capitalism or flatly foreclose on the possibility of capitalists, domestic or foreign, striking it rich in china
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Feb 15, 2021 23:39
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Gaupo Guacho posted:tankies are so thoroughly cucked that they'll claim that china manufacturing and exporting semiconductors and smartphones in factories owned by billionaires and sold for profit is a triumph of communism I am not sure if you are talking about Huawei, but in case you are. It's not really a privately held company, it just has a very complicated ownership scheme to make it appear as a privately held company to the international capitals. Ren holds less than 1% of Huawei stock. That's why Ren talks and acts much more like a manager of a SOE than Ma Yun/Elon Musk/random famous capitalist.
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Feb 15, 2021 23:57
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stephenthinkpad posted:I am not sure if you are talking about Huawei, but in case you are. It's not really a privately held company, it just has a very complicated ownership scheme to make it appear as a privately held company to the international capitals. Ren holds less than 1% of Huawei stock. That's why Ren talks and acts much more like a manager of a SOE than Ma Yun/Elon Musk/random famous capitalist. I mean if a cspam poster knows this I find it hard to believe they’re fooling international capital
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Feb 16, 2021 00:07
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indigi posted:I mean if a cspam poster knows this I find it hard to believe they’re fooling international capital It doesn't matter to the rest of the world except the US, which is already treating Huawei like a SOE anyway, since Obama admin. And the company like Boeing might as well be state owned, because no matter what, the state is not going to let it fail. The US is just keeping it "private" for some fundamental, religious belief. Also for the different iterations of the satellite phone/internet networks, the US military just insist to have "privately funded" label on them for some reason. stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 00:22 on Feb 16, 2021 |
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Feb 16, 2021 00:16
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Al-Saqr posted:lol I wasnt looking for anything I was just confused how the 'liberal democratic' opposition square this circle in their minds, I am under no illusion as to the general Chuddery of Russia. liberals are perfectly content with materially supporting literal nazis and fascists and genociders they'll just lie that they dont the hysterics of 1/6 juxtaposed with complete silence on obama & trump genociding yemen is a perfect demonstration of liberal priorities and perception
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Feb 16, 2021 00:55
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https://twitter.com/WFLA/status/1361416374266957824?s=20 It's 2021 and the flag of South Vietnam still flies in Florida
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Feb 16, 2021 00:56
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Ngo Q Diem
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Feb 16, 2021 00:58
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Arguably, China is right in the middle between a traditional export model of a developing country to the net importer of a more developed country. The whole point of the “dual circulation” model is to keep capital coming in from abroad via exports (to more developed states) while building aggregate demand at home. This will probably take at least 10-15 years to fully mature. The PRC arguably really doesn’t need lending from the IMF or the World Bank considering their reserves. As for Russia, open white nationalism/supremacy is still a thing and Navalny’s movement support often comes from that direction among certain groups of young people. (At least his more hard-core supporters, others are just sort of along for the ride). From experience, football ultras and punk rock fans would be groups into often Navalny. (I would say I have had some first hand encounters.) That said, it is far from the only thing happening in Russia and I would say the majority of the country isn’t buying into it for one reason or another. Older generations who grew up most of their lives in the USSR usually don’t buy into it from my experience but younger people are often more mixed. That said, far from every young person is a budding Nazi and there is still a left/far-left out there as well and just a lot of people in in between. As for why the West seems to be backing a guy like Navalny? Well, it mostly because the traditional liberal opposition collapsed on itself from lack of popular mindshare outside of Moscow. Navalny’s reach is broader since it includes elements of the far-right and he has been trying to keep his views on non-whites more low key in recent years but often he can’t help himself. That said, most polling shows that his base of support is still narrow on a nationwide scale and even people who can’t stand Putin have a hard time signing on. That to be clear, a similar thing is happening across the West if someone wants to make an arguement about superior cultures.
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Feb 16, 2021 01:00
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Continuity NIP posted:People should read Chuang for a Chinese dissident Marxist perspective on Chinese capitalism. You don't even need to buy the journals, there's a blog i liked from victory to defeat
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Feb 16, 2021 01:37
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Navalny is supported by the West because he has no political power. That's just what we're into these days.
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Feb 16, 2021 01:38
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fart simpson posted:i liked from victory to defeat
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Feb 16, 2021 02:02
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