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"scientific" racism is relatively new. Racism itself is not.
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Jeza posted:
i dunno, calling all human prejudice "racism" is needlessly reductive. folks have always had prejudice towards and stereotypes about "others", but the modern conception of racism is something far more developed and codified. and understanding how it stems out of oppression and not the other way around is a useful thing to know.
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Feb 16, 2021 06:32
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Mr. Fix It posted:i dunno, calling all human prejudice "racism" is needlessly reductive. folks have always had prejudice towards and stereotypes about "others", but the modern conception of racism is something far more developed and codified. and understanding how it stems out of oppression and not the other way around is a useful thing to know. People also use racism as just another word for prejudice or bigotry, when racism is a bit more specific when you use the “academic” definition.
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Feb 16, 2021 06:39
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SpaceSDoorGunner posted:I don’t know if you guys are joking or not but when I’m talking about “racism” I’m talking about the specific ideas of racial hierarchy based upon modern conceptions of race. It’s different than whatever xenophobic or bigoted ideas to create a system of “othering” that the Chinese or whoever invented. Some goons I am sure understand where your coming from. One thing alot of goons in this thread understand due to their back ground the topic of it is that the world is not america and that you cant view the whole world through an american centric view. I read a book by one of the crack.com guys called "this book is full of spiders" and a character in the book makes a point, that our brains can only hold 150 relationships in our head. thats as big as ones trib can get. Thats why I like the term ingroup/outgroup. you can go back and look at any culture and see how fluid peoples world view can be. The life of medieval people was consumed with religion, hell they didnt really use the days of the week but measured the days by what saint s day was coming up. I think it was altashug who mentioned how thailand had a whole history and culture that existed before westerners showed up and blaming america and capitalism for way the sex trade exisits there is incorrect.
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SpaceSDoorGunner posted:Ibram X. Kendi and Niel Irvin Painter wrote the stuff that the claim was based on from what I can tell. While Zuara was writing you have things like purity of blood statutes being enacted. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limpieza_de_sangre I understand from the AT ancient history thread that the origin of these attitudes is earlier in the reconquista, with Vandal nobility showing off their "blue blood" visible through their paler skin. Wiki gives Robert Lacey as a source. Jeza posted:As to the idea that racism was 'invented', to me that's nonsense. Of course, formalised 'racial theory', nationalism and so on happened pretty latterly in history, and I think that's more along the lines of what they are saying. But the core human sentiments that underpin these things have always existed, all that changes is the context. Difficult for racist ideas to propagate without the printed word in a world where the vast majority of people basically are born, live and die within a few square miles. I think it'd be more accurate to say that the source of modern western colour based racism is the reconquista. There have of course been other outgroups divided along ethnic lines but this is when there originated a preference for the French over Ghanaians for example. I haven't read it but there was a book published recently called Black Tudors which gives a number of examples of black people in England during the Tudor dynasty who seem to have been accepted mostly as just another type of foreigner. Also lol at the dog human hybrid people. They were right about the descended from monkeys bit atleast.
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Feb 16, 2021 06:43
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SpaceSDoorGunner posted:People also use racism as just another word for prejudice or bigotry, when racism is a bit more specific when you use the “academic” definition. yah, as an avowed descriptivist i can't sleight them for their usage, i just think the "academic" definition is just so much more useful idea.
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Feb 16, 2021 06:50
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SpaceSDoorGunner posted:People also use racism as just another word for prejudice or bigotry, when racism is a bit more specific when you use the “academic” definition. Honestly this is usually the sign that someone doesn't know what they're talking about. Different definitions aren't really mutually exclusive. It's a sort of 'vegetable or fruit' situation, or like how Lenin's definition of imperialist colonialism is important for Marxist conversations but doesn't suddenly make the Roman empire no longer an empire. For sociologists, the 'academic' definition is what it means in sociology, sometimes. But that doesn't suddenly discredit other, even maybe common, uses of a word. It's why you don't have people in philosophy jumping down people's throats for 'misusing' the word 'authentic' when it has a particular, different meaning in some contexts to them.
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Feb 16, 2021 06:54
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yeah people instead of racism can't we just agree to call it "othering based on perceived external differences in relation to the observer's in-group" to make it more scientifically complete
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Feb 16, 2021 07:01
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If you think about it, racism is a lot like gunpowder in that the Chinese invented it, but western nations perfected it.
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Feb 16, 2021 07:28
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Well I keep hearing it's going to be the Chinese century so there's still time.
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Feb 16, 2021 10:13
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BrainDance posted:Honestly this is usually the sign that someone doesn't know what they're talking about. Different definitions aren't really mutually exclusive. It's a sort of 'vegetable or fruit' situation, or like how Lenin's definition of imperialist colonialism is important for Marxist conversations but doesn't suddenly make the Roman empire no longer an empire. You ever see a gun nerd react to magazine vs clip?....its pretty funny.
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Ups_rail posted:You ever see a gun nerd react to magazine vs clip?....its pretty funny. A clip goes into a gun. A magazine is for reading. — Gun scientist
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Feb 16, 2021 11:21
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A clip is what I watch on youtube
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Feb 16, 2021 12:29
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gently caress I miss magazines remember nintendo power?
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Feb 16, 2021 12:42
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Weka posted:
Dubiously thread relevant, but it is interesting that there is probably an identifiable tipping point where a race or people go from a curiosity to a perceived threat. As SpaceSDoor was saying, when it has utility economically or politically, but also when levels of cultural intermingling crosses a threshold. I am by no means an expert in the history of racism, but certainly it's recognisable pattern that the 'first' people from a nation/race/whatever to appear in a country are often not subject to prejudice in the same way as the hundred-thousandth and so on. As a random fact to pair with the Black Tudors stuff, it was long thought that the first black police officer in the UK only started in 1966 (lol) but then they found that randomly there had been an black constable back in the 1840s. The history of first settlers/visitors is really cool to me in general.
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Feb 16, 2021 13:38
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Given it's a US company I assume you can buy (great) ammo at a Great Clips.
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Feb 16, 2021 14:35
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Weka posted:While Zuara was writing you have things like purity of blood statutes being enacted. This isn’t actually right, except insofar as the original religious framework of it later got applied in the context of the Americas where it got racialized. See Genealogical Fictions.
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McGavin posted:If you think about it, racism is a lot like gunpowder in that the Chinese invented it, but western nations perfected it. This got a lol out of me
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Vesi posted:yeah people instead of racism can't we just agree to call it "othering based on perceived external differences in relation to the observer's in-group" to make it more scientifically complete "I'm not racist, I just otherize based on perceived external differences in relation to the my in-group."
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BrainDance posted:or like how Lenin's definition of imperialist colonialism is important for Marxist conversations Marxist-Leninist conversations* BrainDance posted:but doesn't suddenly make the Roman empire no longer an empire. Dont Touch ME fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Feb 16, 2021 |
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Feb 16, 2021 17:44
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 Anyways I found this picture and I like it so I'm posting it here 
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Feb 16, 2021 17:48
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The Moon Monster posted:Given it's a US company I assume you can buy (great) ammo at a Great Clips. they don't have a sporting goods license so they can only sell the clips, no bullets
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Feb 16, 2021 19:38
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Dont Touch ME posted:
I watched Admiral Roaring Currents on a lark because I haven't seen an east Asian film in a while. It was really enjoyable. I want to guess that the image order is Chinese, Korean (I guess historically called Joseon), and Japanese.
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Feb 16, 2021 22:32
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DoggesAndCattes posted:Korean (I guess historically called Joseon) Joseon is a specific Korean dynasty from 1392-1897, not just historical Korea.
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Feb 16, 2021 22:50
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Excuse me sir It’s Corean (C before J)
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Feb 16, 2021 23:07
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Alan Smithee posted:Excuse me sir this but the kim jong il reason where k is not a corean letter k is a japanese letter
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Feb 16, 2021 23:08
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Nessus posted:It's interesting how you can tell who has more metal/industry at the time. Are they meant to all be contemporary to each other? If it's supposed to be the Japanese invasion of Korea the samurai have the wrong armor. The big flat panels are more of an early samurai thing when they were primarily archers. Also not enough guns! Everyone should have guns!!!
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https://www.ibtimes.sg/joe-biden-condoning-uighur-persecution-china-cultural-norm-55647 Is this a reliable source? It seems like at the very least Biden's wording was badly phrased.
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LostCosmonaut posted:https://www.ibtimes.sg/joe-biden-condoning-uighur-persecution-china-cultural-norm-55647 Take a look at that author's articles and tell me if you think you should take his "analysis" seriously and at face value or if you think he makes a career off of clickbait https://www.ibtimes.sg/reporters/r-ghosh
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LostCosmonaut posted:Biden's wording was badly phrased. Not unusual for Biden. Trump more than kinda took the entire "what he meant to say was..." and threw it out the window.
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LostCosmonaut posted:https://www.ibtimes.sg/joe-biden-condoning-uighur-persecution-china-cultural-norm-55647 International Business Times is a right-wing smear paper.
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Feb 17, 2021 22:21
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McGavin posted:If you think about it, racism is a lot like gunpowder in that the Chinese invented it, but western nations perfected it. SLAM DUNK
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Might have mentioned it before, but I always laugh whenever I see Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story and his date takes him to see Breakfast at Tiffany's and he looks so hurt and confused at the horribly racist Japanese caricature. Like he had never seen a racist Japanese portrayal growing up in Hong Kong.
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Feb 18, 2021 00:59
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The Irritable Bowel Times, your source for the latest on the hot pot industry.
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Feb 18, 2021 19:49
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https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1362753119847731202?s=20 interesting to see some video from the event
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this gonna compel india to release their own?
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Dont Touch ME posted:Marxist-Leninist conversations* Stop trolling the OP. Grand Fromage posted:Joseon is a specific Korean dynasty from 1392-1897, not just historical Korea. Dang that's a long time for a single dynasty, atleast for Europe. A quick Google tells me the Zhou in China were in power for almost 800 years and the current Japanese imperial house is over 1500 or 2500 years old depending on if you want solid historical attestation. Is there some fudging going on or a disparity in how dynasties are measured, like would you not count Queen Victoria and her son Edward VII as two different dynasties by the same metrics?
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its a disparity in formal vs actual power andong kim clan had most power in joseon for a couple hundred years there. same deal w japan and the shogunates
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