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M_Gargantua posted:Fukishima was a margins edge design with a lot of cost cutting measures and it still survived an earthquake and a tsunami with good marks. Didn't go right, hence why its a disaster, but despite the ~main stream media~ events could equally as easily be used as a study in how to design safety measures and defense in depth to show that modern nuclear engineering works. Edited in post I was replying to.
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Midjack posted:I know what you mean but if you try to characterize what happened at Fukushima as a “success” outside of some very limited technical contexts people are going to look at 300 square miles of land designated as “uninhabitable” and tell you to shove “safe nuclear energy” right up your rear end next to “clean coal.” And I say that as a supporter of nuclear power. EDIT: I did calculate it out, and you are pretty much on target, its about 300 miles^2, but even then within a couple years the contamination is going to drop.  And worth noting: Even in the Forbidden Areas, its not that much higher, so it really is being blown out of proportion https://www.japan-guide.com/list/e1208.html#:~:text=The%20no%2Dentry%20zone%20around,safe%20for%20tourists%20to%20visit. Meanwhile, in Green Germany:  https://www.dw.com/en/hambach-forest-germanys-sluggish-coal-phaseout-sparks-anger/a-52059845 https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-48931062 CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Feb 16, 2021 |
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Every war has a loser, often more than one. Ending one without ill feelings left over is like threading a needle. I totally get that, and wars shouldn't be based on feelings, but I can empathize with dude. I'm just a spicy old man who was dumb enough to make promises he intended to keep.
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Centerpoint has turned off replies to their tweets because they got dragged so badly for sticking to their "rolling blackout" story when it's abundantly clear the "rolling" part was bullshit. People were told to expect 45 minute-1 hour blackouts and instead they just started cutting people around 11PM last night (between 3-5AM for us) and it just... stayed off. For about 1.2 million people so far. The people who do have power are being asked to conserve it so more people can be switched back on, but this is Texas so FYGM is in full effect. I just stood in 20 degree weather trying to catch water from a broken pipe so that I could take it home and flush my toilets and I'm loving lucky that plus warm fridge are my biggest problems. Well that and a stir-crazy toddler.
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Midjack posted:I know what you mean but if you try to characterize what happened at Fukushima as a “success” outside of some very limited technical contexts people are going to look at 300 square miles of land designated as “uninhabitable” and tell you to shove “safe nuclear energy” right up your rear end next to “clean coal.” And I say that as a supporter of nuclear power. Really they just need to have nuclear plants way out in the middle of nowhere. For example almost nobody has heard of the martin county coal slurry spill and that dealt significantly more ecological damage than Fukushima or the Exxon Valdez but nobody cares because it was in eastern Kentucky. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_County_coal_slurry_spill
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bulletsponge13 posted:I totally get that, and wars shouldn't be based on feelings, but I can empathize with dude. I get what you mean, but if things had gone the other way, the bitter men would have just been on the other side. Assuming you will win every war you go into is understandable but that just can't be true for everyone involved.
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hobbesmaster posted:Really they just need to have nuclear plants way out in the middle of nowhere. For example almost nobody has heard of the martin county coal slurry spill and that dealt significantly more ecological damage than Fukushima or the Exxon Valdez but nobody cares because it was in eastern Kentucky. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_County_coal_slurry_spill Conversely I was a few miles away from this one when it happened and know several people who lost their homes in it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston_Fossil_Plant_coal_fly_ash_slurry_spill
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Midjack posted:Conversely I was a few miles away from this one when it happened and know several people who lost their homes in it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston_Fossil_Plant_coal_fly_ash_slurry_spill Do you like radioisotopes? Also like heavy metal toxicity? Boy have we the deal for you
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Yeah, nuclear BAD, coal GOOD, oil BETTER Its almost like the public reaction to nuclear power is nurtured and directed with a laser focus.
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Nuclear lasers
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hobbesmaster posted:Really they just need to have nuclear plants way out in the middle of nowhere. For example almost nobody has heard of the martin county coal slurry spill and that dealt significantly more ecological damage than Fukushima or the Exxon Valdez but nobody cares because it was in eastern Kentucky. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_County_coal_slurry_spill The need for cooling limits options a lot. Deregulation means Texas doesn't pay for standby power, basically for power plants to sit idle in case of excess demand. This coincides with winter when power plants generally go offline for maintenance and an extreme event that could be classified as a black swan. I can't believe the regulator hosed this up so bad they have no capacity. It looks like Texas power companies took the lessons from California and made sure it was harder to catch them in the act of loving everyone. At least CA had a cap of $250, anyone not starting up at $2k or something shouldn't be generating power.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Nuclear lasers I believe you mean nukular lasers.
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lightpole posted:The need for cooling limits options a lot. 
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Nuclear lasers X ray lasers are the bomb.
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Midjack posted:X ray lasers are the bomb. Those are the ones where they explode a nuke to fire a cluster of single shot lasers right?
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Stravag posted:Those are the ones where they explode a nuke to fire a cluster of single shot lasers right? 
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https://twitter.com/_mariocarrillo_/status/1361500392522211328?s=20 https://twitter.com/RespectableLaw/status/1361550973584424961?s=20 That Works fucked around with this message at 11:59 on Feb 16, 2021 |
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That Works posted:https://twitter.com/_mariocarrillo_/status/1361500392522211328?s=20 Are we still doing the "late stage capitalism" meme?
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I thought electricity was a public utility and not private until a few weeks ago when Dominion* Energy tried to nickel and dime me out of $12. Then I saw that the executive staff all pull seven figures and the nickel and diming made a lot more sense. So my question for the last several weeks is why the gently caress is a public utility privately owned? *not Dominion voting machines. Dominion Energy sucks way more.
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boop the snoot posted:I thought electricity was a public utility and not private until a few weeks ago when Dominion* Energy tried to nickel and dime me out of $12. Then I saw that the executive staff all pull seven figures and the nickel and diming made a lot more sense. This is America: Don't catch you slippin now.
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oh look, its Reagan's shining city on the hill!
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boop the snoot posted:I thought electricity was a public utility and not private until a few weeks ago when Dominion* Energy tried to nickel and dime me out of $12. Then I saw that the executive staff all pull seven figures and the nickel and diming made a lot more sense. Utilities are not privately owned nationwide. It just depends. My utilities are ran by the city, for example. Texas, though, is detached from the rest of the nation and does not fall under federal regulations as a result because federal power regulation stems from the interstate commerce clause. The majority of texans get their power from the ERCOT grid, and it is almost entirely free of regulation. What happened in Texas is the free market at work. Capitalism does not value prevention.
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FYI - I was wrong about the wind farms being a significant factor to the Texas thing. They hosed up pretty good! https://twitter.com/ctraywick/status/1361715146176024578
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facialimpediment posted:FYI - I was wrong about the wind farms being a significant factor to the Texas thing. They hosed up pretty good! Seems like a problem with the nuke plants when one of their significant waste products is heat
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RFC2324 posted:Seems like a problem with the nuke plants when one of their significant waste products is heat Its not the reactors themselves, apparently. A lot of the Turbine halls in Texas are open air:  
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CommieGIR posted:Its not the reactors themselves, apparently. A lot of the Turbine halls in Texas are open air: Yeah, they said it was instruments, which I assume are not in the reactor or any place thats likely to become inaccessible in a runaway event, but I would still think keeping stuff toasty would be simple. Otoh, its Texas so it probably never occurred to anyone that it might get cold enough for a windbreaker
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RFC2324 posted:Yeah, they said it was instruments, which I assume are not in the reactor or any place thats likely to become inaccessible in a runaway event, but I would still think keeping stuff toasty would be simple. Yeah hearing that the same issues are impacting gas plants, who also have outdoor turbines. So, its that age old: "We normally need to shed heat in the Texas summer....but now we need to trap it"
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah hearing that the same issues are impacting gas plants, who also have outdoor turbines. So, its that age old: "We normally need to shed heat in the Texas summer....but now we need to trap it" Gas plants make more sense, since those have a heat supply you can(and frequently do) shut down. I would expect any plant that happened to be in a down cycle to get destroyed by this
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Another republican censured by their own party for voting against Trump.quote:"My party's leadership has chosen loyalty to one man over the core principles of the Republican Party and the founders of our great nation," he said...... https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/15/politics/richard-burr-north-carolina-gop-censure-impeachment/index.html
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Defenestrategy posted:Another republican censured by their own party for voting against Trump. And this is why anybody saying we need to be bipartisan is full of poo poo: One party has sold itself out.
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https://twitter.com/heatherscope/status/1361742440953221123?s=21 Techno Futuristic West Virginia incoming.
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MazelTovCocktail posted:https://twitter.com/heatherscope/status/1361742440953221123?s=21 If I remember right, those were something that helped to ensure legislation actually got passed in the past. The removal of them helped to create the deadlock we have in congress - not to mention massive Partisanship dead locking poo poo too.
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https://twitter.com/statesman/status/1361731937275060228?s=21 If it’s all in God’s hands, what do Christians think of red states getting demolished once Trump gets acquitted?
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windshipper posted:If I remember right, those were something that helped to ensure legislation actually got passed in the past. The removal of them helped to create the deadlock we have in congress - not to mention massive Partisanship dead locking poo poo too. Sadly, I think the arrival of facebook and the nationalization of politics means that they aren't going to be as effective as they used to be.
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boop the snoot posted:If it’s all in God’s hands, what do Christians think of red states getting demolished once Trump gets acquitted? So, basically the victims of gaslighting by a serial abuser.
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boop the snoot posted:If it’s all in God’s hands, what do Christians think of red states getting demolished once Trump gets acquitted? ’tis but a test of faith.
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Corruption is back? Open and notorious?!? Time to announce my candidacy baby!?! What's the deal with all the corruption investigations for the last presidency? Are they not doing those or what?
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Here're some fun little stories https://twitter.com/stjbs/status/1361761873863974913?s=19 https://twitter.com/EliClifton/status/1361670111036325893?s=19
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Is there a reason the Taliban doesn't simply stop offensives for a few months and claim to be following the peace process, wait for NATO to depart, maybe give it a month, then overrun the rest of the country? Unlikely that the West would be interested in reinvading. Do their leaders not have enough control to do that, or would it risk an internal Taliban coup in favor of more attacks?
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Is there a reason the Taliban doesn't simply stop offensives for a few months and claim to be following the peace process, wait for NATO to depart, maybe give it a month, then overrun the rest of the country? Unlikely that the West would be interested in reinvading. Do their leaders not have enough control to do that, or would it risk an internal Taliban coup in favor of more attacks? What do you imagine the Taliban to be?
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