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theshim posted:BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH GOD MY SIDES I'M DYING Libertarians have a basically pre-industrial notion what wealth is and means, such that it's actually possible for a profligate spendthrift son to squander through drink and gambling the wealth bequeathed to him by the family patriarch. Pretty much the same thing you get from Francisco's speech in Atlas Shrugged: quote:Money will not buy intelligence for the fool, or admiration for the coward, or respect for the incompetent. The man who attempts to purchase the brains of his superiors to serve him, with his money replacing his judgment, ends up by becoming the victim of his inferiors. The men of intelligence desert him, but the cheats and the frauds come flocking to him, drawn by a law which he has not discovered: that no man may be smaller than his money. Is this the reason why you call it evil? They have no idea what it means to have the kind of wealth you can't spend down in ten lifetimes of drugs and partying, or the existence of the wealth management industry that handles all the investments so even if your heir spends all is time putting his inheritance up his nose, the amount of wealth he acquires behind the scenes in 3 seconds of snorting fine Columbian powder off an escort's stiff cock more than pays for itself. Once you get into that class you don't get money from hard work and smarts and gumption or any of that, you're part of the elite that owns all the land and resources and food and shelter, you (or your wealth managers) get to sit back and collect user fees from charging everyone else for access to the necessities of life.
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VitalSigns posted:They have no idea what it means to have the kind of wealth you can't spend down in ten lifetimes of drugs and partying, or the existence of the wealth management industry that handles all the investments so even if your heir spends all is time putting his inheritance up his nose, the amount of wealth he acquires behind the scenes in 3 seconds of snorting fine Columbian powder off an escort's stiff cock more than pays for itself. Which further gets into my point about not being able to comprehend structures, that there could exist a structure in concert with gigantic piles of money that exists to perpetuate the existence of the giant pile of money. That entire industries can exist around playing with giant piles of money that nobody working for them or drawing from them created. It's like they think that rich people just have a loving scrooge mc duck money bin and if they keep the tap turned on for long enough they will run out eventually. When we have just had a worldwide famous example of one of those self perpetuating money organizations trying to pull one weird trick to increase their money without doing any productive work at all. The money is self perpetuating, its existence creates machines out of people and organizations to perpetuate itself. The money bin is alive and commands an army to keep itself full, by drawing in fragments of the productive labour of everyone else on the planet, in the form of rents, and stocks, and unpaid wages. That's where the money goes, into a giant black hole of hoarding that grows ever larger and which a privileged fraction of the planet is allowed to draw on. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Feb 15, 2021 |
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Feb 15, 2021 23:39
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OwlFancier posted:It's like they think Here’s your problem
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Feb 15, 2021 23:49
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Does jrod know what Jeffrey Epstein did for a living?
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Feb 15, 2021 23:56
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What was his IQ though?
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I was accepted to an Ivy League university but didn't attend because I wasn't genius enough to be able to spare what is now over $75,000 a year. I should have worked harder.Antifa Turkeesian posted:I wonder if jrod would consent to take the LSAT or a practice LSAT at the same time that I do. We could then compare both scores with the average accepted applicant profile for Yale law in 2021. No thank you... my A-levels nearly ruined my health and the GRE made me hate life.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Bill Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar who got a JD from Yale. Is he more intelligent than you? I think the "Bill Clinton is dumb" takes come from Bill talking with a hick-rear end Arizona accent, and liking regular guy stuff like Big Macs and a nice sax solo and big tits and round butts, and "Ah feel your pain", in other words all the campaign PR to make one of the psychotic pod people churned out of the labs in Harvard and Yale seem like a salt of the earth dumb regular guy who just wants to have a beer with ya and be your shitkicking good buddy and definitely won't ship your job to China or Mexico while he rolls up hundred dollar bills and smokes them with his real friends at Davos and the WTO. In other words people who fell completely for Slick Willy's regular-guy campaign persona but who also have an overinflated ego and look down on "regular guys" so they think having one for president is bad.
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polymathy posted:Yes... Gosh it's almost as though inherited wealth being an unmitigated disaster is a constant that we see throughout human history Like maybe having the good fortune of having wealthy parents already rigs the game massively in your favor and literally inheriting everything that those parents leave behind just enables infinite failson generations who are incentivized to succeed at theft instead of productive work. polymathy posted:Some things are beyond the cognitive ability of some people and they cannot be taught those subjects, especially not with any depth. I have that same thought every time that I read one of your posts polymathy posted:Yeah... I will concede no such thing. If anything, you have demonstrated a consistent ability to regurgitate and a consistent inability to argue effectively or to absorb information that doesn't already align with your preconceived notions of how the world works. You are not intelligent.
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VitalSigns posted:I think the "Bill Clinton is dumb" takes come from Bill talking with a hick-rear end Arizona accent, and liking regular guy stuff like Big Macs and a nice sax solo and big tits and round butts, and "Ah feel your pain", in other words all the campaign PR to make one of the psychotic pod people churned out of the labs in Harvard and Yale seem like a salt of the earth dumb regular guy who just wants to have a beer with ya and be your shitkicking good buddy and definitely won't ship your job to China or Mexico while he rolls up hundred dollar bills and smokes them with his real friends at Davos and the WTO. To me, Clinton, like Obama and Mayo Pete, comes pretty close to fitting the meritocratic climber/striver mold of greatness expressing itself that jrod used a few pages ago, as he came up from middle-class means through canny manipulation of his circumstances and pragmatic leveraging of his advantages in order to become a proper millionaire. That would seem to make him fit to rule us plebs who never cracked a million, yet jrod doesn’t like him. Curious.
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polymathy posted:Yeah... Again, SAT stands for Scholastic Aptitude Test. It is literally a test of your educational attainment, not your general intelligence. If you have better schools, better teachers, more free time to study, more access to practice tests and so forth, you will have a better result than someone else who lacks all of those things. It is a test that in no way indicates your general intelligence, it indicates your loving wealth bracket more than G. As far as your posting history, I think it is actually a phenomenal argument against IQ as we understand it. I wouldn't say that you are stupid in the sense of educational attainment. You do gooding grammar words, for example. At the same time though, you have bitten hard on some really, really loving stupid conspiracy theories, if we were to look at your posting history (I can happily provide examples if you want, but I really don't feel like rehashing all of the dumb poo poo you've said over the years). All of this goes back to that earlier question I proposed to you, regarding what IQ actually measures. If you took an IQ test, I actually believe you'd score around or slightly above the average (whupty do), but I think you are decidedly below average in many other respects. For example, I believe that you have very poor critical reasoning skills when it comes to how you consume and digest information. You have demonstrated a long and recent history of lacking basic critical thinking, such as your 300 IQ tesla garbage, the whole UAE thing and plenty of other examples. Too often you go looking for information and just take the first thing that confirms your biases, without spending even a second to critically consider the information you've plucked. To me, that is an incredibly important aspect of intelligence, because the lack of it is what leads 'smart' people down stupid paths. I have two friends, both engineers, who believe absolutely wacky conspiracy nonsense about coronavirus. They are very well educated, both passing with high marks in challenging fields, but like you, they lack critical reasoning skills. Let me give you an example. Today one of them retweeted this:  What is your first thought at seeing that? My friend, being a nice guy who lacks all critical thinking skills, immediately took it as just more proof that the covid scare is nothing but a government scam. Needless to say his mind was not changed when I pointed out that the test site in question is an asymptomatic testing site for people who have to get regularly tested despite not showing symptoms. This is a 'smart' person saying one of the dumbest loving things I've ever heard, something so dumb that it could be disproven if he so much as looked at the top reply to the thing he retweeted and complained about. Caros fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Feb 16, 2021 |
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The whole concept of "general" intelligence is just... daft to me. Like assessing a hammer based on its general toolyness and scoring it poorly because it can't undo bolts. And presumably then going on to score a swiss army knife very highly and saying we should replace all the tools in a workshop with them.
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polymathy posted:As wrong as you may think I am about libertarianism, or any other subject, if you cannot look through my history of posting and concede that, if anything, my intelligence is at least above the average, then you're just being disingenuous. Lurker popping in to say you come off as really dumb. Like, I laugh out loud reading your posts. They continue to surprise me in how stupid they are.
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polymathy posted:Yeah... https://twitter.com/Shvartacus/status/1096871228390789120
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Caros posted:As far as your posting history, I think it is actually a phenomenal argument against IQ as we understand it. I wouldn't say that you are stupid in the sense of educational attainment. You do gooding grammar words, for example. At the same time though, you have bitten hard on some really, really loving stupid conspiracy theories, if we were to look at your posting history (I can happily provide examples if you want, but I really don't feel like rehashing all of the dumb poo poo you've said over the years). One of the many problems with FuckWit is trying to decide if each individual example of its idiocy is due to its stupidity or sociopathy. Is it really this stupid. or is it just saying this to disguise the fact that it's effectively a eugenicist?
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:To me, Clinton, like Obama and Mayo Pete, comes pretty close to fitting the meritocratic climber/striver mold of greatness expressing itself that jrod used a few pages ago, as he came up from middle-class means through canny manipulation of his circumstances and pragmatic leveraging of his advantages in order to become a proper millionaire. That would seem to make him fit to rule us plebs who never cracked a million, yet jrod doesn’t like him. Curious. Por que no los dos It's exactly those sorts of intelligent ambitious social-climbers that make it into the pod people programs, although whether their empathy and human decency is excised as undergraduates at Yale or whether lacking those qualities to begin with is a prerequisite for getting admitted to the upper echelon influence networks I have no idea.
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He's a fascist for sure. I mean all lolbertarians are deep down, but in his case, the mask slipped halfway off his face in the last couple of weeks where he's been really pushing the ideas of "IQ uber alles", democracy is bad really and wouldn't everyone just be happier with a class of people like me in charge, mentally "retarded" and those who "suffer from" Down syndrome can't be taught the ins He wants to get rid of the undesirables and let the  smart ones , whom he strongly believes (despite evidence to the contrary) he's a member of, be in charge to run the place how they like. It's just the natural order of things, you see.
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OwlFancier posted:The whole concept of "general" intelligence is just... daft to me. Like assessing a hammer based on its general toolyness and scoring it poorly because it can't undo bolts. And presumably then going on to score a swiss army knife very highly and saying we should replace all the tools in a workshop with them. There's definitely a "what you see is all there is" fallacy going on with g/IQ. Scientists really really want the measurable thing to be the important thing. See also the "big five" personality traits that loom large in the minds of people who want to play up genetic differences between men and women.
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I will give JRod this: He's managed to change my mind on a couple of things. When I started following this thread, I was pretty much a wishy-washy social-democrat leaning Marxist. Now, thanks to JRod's terrible and barely cloaked fascism, I'm closing in on turning into an out-and-out AnCom, because, frankly, reading his posts made me look for "what's the economic and political philosophy that is the most directly opposed to this horrible shitshow?!". So, y'know. He has changed minds. Just not in the direction he wanted, I assume.
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Feb 16, 2021 05:53
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Once you have mastered the immortal science of praxeology, you can simply infer all things past and future from first principles.
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TLM3101 posted:I will give JRod this: He's managed to change my mind on a couple of things. When I started following this thread, I was pretty much a wishy-washy social-democrat leaning Marxist. Now, thanks to JRod's terrible and barely cloaked fascism, I'm closing in on turning into an out-and-out AnCom, because, frankly, reading his posts made me look for "what's the economic and political philosophy that is the most directly opposed to this horrible shitshow?!". Really does seem with libertarians is that they earnestly buy into the conservative worldview without realising how much of it is just dogwhistles and ad copy that the base implicitly understands doesn't actually mean anything, and the result is just flat out fascism under tired old buzzwords.
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How does the rejection of empiricism in every branch of human inquiry other than the physical sciences which can be investigated through controlled replicable laboratory experiments square with believing IQ tests measure something quantifiable and testable?
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With the immortal science of praxology handed to us by the infallible genius Van Mises we have arrived at the final word of all human morality and ethics, the NAP. What does this groundbreaking moral code proscribe? Oh, it tells you not to do bad things. You just clearly lack the intelligence to understand it.
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What I love about it is that you switch a few words like Marxism for Praxology and IQ for “read literature” and you just get and average tankie tweet.
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He's taking his sweet time not watching that video. E: polymathy posted:Consider Charles Murray. I'm not the biggest fan of his, and I don't know the merits or demerits of his research on IQ, but I do think the appropriate response to him and people like him, if you think he's all wrong or is a racist or is promoting work that empowers racists, is to calmly debate him and point out the errors of his research. Holy poo poo, you goddamn anti-intellectual coward. Someone has calmly debated him, that's literally what I'm trying to get you to watch so that you don't have to waste your time and ours writing stupid poo poo like "I don't know the merits or demerits of his research on IQ." You'd know that already if you loving watched the video. This debate, which you here claim to want, has been made available to you, in video form. You have decided, quite openly and proudly, not to watch that debate and instead deliberately remain ignorant of it. You should not be a "fan" of his, at all, and the video that I posted explains why, and you are deliberately choosing to not engage with it. This is why you are a lazy scumbag. polymathy posted:Look, I know I've posted a lot of links to YouTube videos in the past. But I don't think I ever posted a 3 hour video and then demanded everyone watch it or accuse them of being lazy or "not wanting to learn" if they didn't. I'm calling you out for your intellectual cowardice because you do this all the time. If you go back through your post history in this thread, you have repeatedly expected people to read multiple books, multiple articles from mises.org, and everything that Ron Paul ever wrote. I am posting that video because it contains within it counterarguments against almost all of your idiotic, under-considered IQ statements, as well as pre-emptively cutting the legs out from under most of the articles you might try to use to argue in your favour. Somfin fucked around with this message at 11:02 on Feb 16, 2021 |
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So let me guess: jrod's belief that people have to work hard to maintain their wealth is partially based on those "lottery winners lose everything quickly" stories. And his conclusion is that the people that do maintain their wealth do so because they are worthy and smart and not because being a trust fund kid or other recipient of generational money tends to come with family lawyers, connections, real estate to extract passive income from and other clear advantages. Maybe I'm just not smart enough to get it, though according to the IQ test I took when I was 16 (in the context of being a terrible student who was about to flunk a grade the second time in a row) I should be part of the elite.
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TLM3101 posted:I will give JRod this: He's managed to change my mind on a couple of things. When I started following this thread, I was pretty much a wishy-washy social-democrat leaning Marxist. Now, thanks to JRod's terrible and barely cloaked fascism, I'm closing in on turning into an out-and-out AnCom, because, frankly, reading his posts made me look for "what's the economic and political philosophy that is the most directly opposed to this horrible shitshow?!". Yeah these kinds of threads did a similar thing to me a long time ago. I was a libertarian back around 2004 and I even went so far as to vote for Badnarik (lol) but after reading pages and pages of goons just obliterating all my dumbfuck opinions back then I'm now a progressive socialist. It takes a really thick skull to continue to be a libertarian after all the counterarguments posted ITT.
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Gotta admit, everything polymathy wrote after asserting that managing to stay rich off inherited wealth is something that takes a lot of intelligence and hard work became a blurry, unreadable mess. Not only is JRod not coming off as an "above average intelligence" haver, that was straight up loving dumb if he believes it, and a lie only a dumb person would attempt to pass off as truth if he doesn't.
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Yeah, gonna even drop the snark for this one. Not only is libertarianism both monstrous and moronic, Jrod is also a singularly bad spokesperson for it. One of the formerly-liberatian friends of mine (that he denies exist because they outgrew it) was the person who swayed me away from the "throw every gun in the world into a furnace, period" mindset I had then.There were actual conversatios in which I could see some sense or benefit to aspects of it (Even if I was a bit weirded by how fiercely they clung to the issue of...shower heads.) His stuff is just repellent, and has the effect of injecting pure Lenin into people. If every school had to play a video of him reading any of his posts about being 'above average' intelligence, they'd form revolutionary red brigades to avoid ever growing up to turn out like that.
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Are there academic libertarians worth reading? Like anything that articulates the underlying philosophy in a way that tries to explain why a reasonable person would find it attractive in rigorous philosophical or political terms?
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Are there academic libertarians worth reading? Like anything that articulates the underlying philosophy in a way that tries to explain why a reasonable person would find it attractive in rigorous philosophical or political terms? You could try Nozick Lol
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Hayek, Rothbard, and Friedman actually tried to make the case for libertarianism to ordinary people, but I couldn't say if their arguments were rigorous. They certainly came to some patently ridiculous conclusions that have been singled out in this thread. Right-libertarianism has mostly been laughed out of academia, which libertarians take as proof that education in the humanities is a Jewish-Bolshevist scheme. There's a reason libertarian orgs try to claim figures as far-ranging as Lao Tzu and Michel Foucault as libertarians, and the most prominent living libertarians are think-tank hacks and people who fund think-tank hacks. Zillionaires love libertarianism for obvious reasons, so they install their flunkies as Epstein Fellows at the William Edward Hickman Center for Liberty, while denouncing academia in general. Then there's actual left-libertarianism, which is another deal entirely. No billionaire is paying for an essay contest in Proudhon's name.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Are there academic libertarians worth reading? Like anything that articulates the underlying philosophy in a way that tries to explain why a reasonable person would find it attractive in rigorous philosophical or political terms? The book that convinced me that anarcho-capitalism was the way was A Liberty Primer, by W. Alan Burris. I'm not sure if it's worth reading, but it worked on me.
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Golbez posted:The book that convinced me that anarcho-capitalism was the way was A Liberty Primer, by W. Alan Burris. I'm not sure if it's worth reading, but it worked on me. I'm going to google this and end up on the wrong side of an ethnonationalist rabbit hole aren't I? 
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