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I Before E posted:As with a lot of things, it depends on what the first promotion has the money and willingness to do about it. If Ibushi decided to go rogue and do DDT shows without NJPW's permission, they could shut that down immediately by declaring a tag match between the Bushiroad and Cyberfight lawyers the IGF iwgp/third belt was kinda a version of this, as inoki recognized lesnar as the IWGP champ when he formed IGF despite new japan already having stripped him of the belt and tana being their champ. i admit that i wasn't following japanese wrestling close at all at the time tho so i'm not enitrely sure when in this timeline New Japan recognized it as a split belt before the eventual reunification
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I don't know how to phrase this question, but what are some good examples of inherently sloppy moves? Moves that don't quite allow for a clean bump. The go-to example I'm thinking of is the headlock driver. It feels like the kind of move that could only be invented by a guy doing hardcore indies. Amazing Red's headscissors DDT also springs to mind.
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The 24 Sai. E: And also the Phoenixplex. Anything that happens when Ibushi starts getting ideas, really. Cerebral Bore fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Feb 15, 2021 |
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Feb 15, 2021 22:36
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The Ganso Bomb always looks like a botch.
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Feb 15, 2021 23:02
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As you probably know, that's because it's just a legendary botch. I don't necessarily mean just dangerous head-plants; I was watching videos of stuff like Ogawa's STO, reverse STOs, and rolling cutters, and thinking about how much they rely on being done a very specific way and taken a very specific way in order to look good. There are a lot of judo moves that don't quite make sense in wrestling because they don't allow the guy to take a front or back bump that the audience can see clearly
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Feb 15, 2021 23:07
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Halloween Jack posted:I don't know how to phrase this question, but what are some good examples of inherently sloppy moves? Moves that don't quite allow for a clean bump. The go-to example I'm thinking of is the headlock driver. It feels like the kind of move that could only be invented by a guy doing hardcore indies. Amazing Red's headscissors DDT also springs to mind. the Last Shot generally looks like rear end because to do it safely Cole has to either skim the top of their head & hope they tip over before Cole clears him, or just knee the dude square in the back. Most back-of-the-head strikes qualify for this because the one taking it is just guessing when to start selling & hoping they don't look like an idiot, like that guy that eliminated himself in a battle royal because some dude in the crowd pegged him in the back of the head with a bucket of popcorn.
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Halloween Jack posted:I don't know how to phrase this question, but what are some good examples of inherently sloppy moves? Moves that don't quite allow for a clean bump. The go-to example I'm thinking of is the headlock driver. It feels like the kind of move that could only be invented by a guy doing hardcore indies. Amazing Red's headscissors DDT also springs to mind. this describes like half of what El Generico did, but especially the turnbuckle brainbuster I thought he killed someone every single time related, I think yakuza kicks only look good when they look sloppy as hell. It's not a big boot, I want the wrestler to hurl themselves across the ring foot first edit: I might be confusing the meaning of "sloppy" but when I think sloppy I think moves that do not look like they went as intended Lunatic Sledge fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Feb 16, 2021 |
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Feb 16, 2021 00:24
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The Doomsday Device always seemed really hard to safely bump from.
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TheKingslayer posted:The Doomsday Device always seemed really hard to safely bump from. I always felt like if they did the version where animal fell over backwards with the victim it was probably safer/easier to take than if they did the version where animal just stayed standing (and sometimes gave the victims legs a shove up) and they rotate through 270 degrees before hitting the mat.
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Feb 16, 2021 00:37
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The F5 seems like it ends in a side bump more often than not lately, which seems like a recipe for blowing out your shoulder.
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Feb 16, 2021 00:39
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TheKingslayer posted:The Doomsday Device always seemed really hard to safely bump from. Henry Godwin had his neck broken with one. Animal told a story about when they debuted the move; apparently in the back Arn Anderson cursed "We got to take that now?"
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Feb 16, 2021 00:57
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MassRafTer posted:They couldn't because it's owned by Taz. Certain IPs created in ECW were created by the wrestlers who were not under a contract that gave the company the rights to everything created by the company. Others like the Dudleys were considered to be created by the company and thus now owned by WWE although many of the wrestlers disputed this. I wonder also if the same would apply for Zack Ryder's Internet title, since that was never officially recognized. Does WWE own that copyright too, or does Matt Cardona?
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Feb 16, 2021 01:19
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Watching the aew women's tourney tonight the ring seemed much smaller than american rings. Was it a trick of the venue or are Joshi rings smaller?
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LionYeti posted:Watching the aew women's tourney tonight the ring seemed much smaller than american rings. Was it a trick of the venue or are Joshi rings smaller? the show was filmed at the Ice Ribbon Dojo so it was a noticeably smaller ring, yes
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LionYeti posted:Watching the aew women's tourney tonight the ring seemed much smaller than american rings. Was it a trick of the venue or are Joshi rings smaller? The Ice Ribbon Dojo is small
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Feb 16, 2021 02:13
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TheKingslayer posted:The Doomsday Device always seemed really hard to safely bump from. The Steiners did a way more dangerous looking variation where instead of a clothesline Rick would do a bulldog and I think a few times even did a DDT.
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Feb 16, 2021 02:31
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Yeah IIRC Buff taking a top-rope bulldog from the Steiners is how he broke his neck
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Feb 16, 2021 02:41
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The Spanish Fly isn't necessarily inherently unsafe, because I have seen super acrobatic dudes execute it really well. But for some reason it seems like everyone has started doing them in recent years? Lightweights, heavyweights, short wrestlers, tall wrestlers, indie workers, midcarders, maineventers. I see a bunch of times where random people who never climb the ropes both take ten seconds trying to balance themselves on the top rope before rotating 3/4 of the way in the air simultaneously with another person, and if either of them over or under rotate, or if either of them flip a little off axis it looks like someone's life is on the line. And it's about as believable as a Canadian Destroyer in the first place, so all I end up thinking about during it is the performers anyway.
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Halloween Jack posted:I don't know how to phrase this question, but what are some good examples of inherently sloppy moves? Moves that don't quite allow for a clean bump. The go-to example I'm thinking of is the headlock driver. It feels like the kind of move that could only be invented by a guy doing hardcore indies. Amazing Red's headscissors DDT also springs to mind. Big Show's short-lived cobra clutch backbreaker toss.
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TheKingslayer posted:The Doomsday Device always seemed really hard to safely bump from. bartok posted:The Steiners did a way more dangerous looking variation where instead of a clothesline Rick would do a bulldog and I think a few times even did a DDT. I also just remembered when Misawa, once, tried to do some move that is called the Diamond Head for some reason. He only tried it once, it was clearly a botch, and people aren't sure exactly what it was supposed to look like. I think it was supposed to be a powerbomb turned into a sidewalk slam. For not-dangerous-head-drop maneuvers, Kensuke Sasaki has that not-actually-a-judo-throw where he can't help landing in a heap with his opponent. 
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Feb 16, 2021 17:28
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That rules
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Feb 16, 2021 20:56
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oldskool posted:like that guy that eliminated himself in a battle royal because some dude in the crowd pegged him in the back of the head with a bucket of popcorn. Lmao what??
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Feb 16, 2021 22:13
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Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:Lmao what?? There's an old anecdote about a battle royal in the 60s or 70s and apparently the story goes a guy won, and someone in the crowd threw something into the ring, hitting him, and he sold it because he thought it was a wrestler "attacking" him, so he went over the top rope.
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Feb 16, 2021 22:29
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It's in Foley's book as a story Brian Hildebrand told him.
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Feb 16, 2021 23:26
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Halloween Jack posted:I don't know how to phrase this question, but what are some good examples of inherently sloppy moves? Moves that don't quite allow for a clean bump. The go-to example I'm thinking of is the headlock driver. It feels like the kind of move that could only be invented by a guy doing hardcore indies. Amazing Red's headscissors DDT also springs to mind. Is the Pedigree actually safe? I remember the one guy (Cham Pain?) taking it vertically, but it seems like a move where A.) you're landing on your face with little control, since your arms are tied up, and B.) Hunter's knees hold you in place, but could potentially add injury if he applies pressure or goes limp. Otherwise, the Shaker Heights Spike is stupidly loving dangerous and looks like it, too. 
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Feb 16, 2021 23:35
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Trips releases the butterfly halfway through and has done it that way for a very long time so the pedigree is one of the safest moves of all
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Triple H almost always releases the guys arms on the Pedigree now, so that the guy taking the move can break his fall with his hands. I would think it's much safer now that it would've been in the 90s. E: F, b.
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Judo throws to set up submissions look really cool
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Also, I believe Garner randomly thought he was supposed to go up like a Tiger Driver, at least if I remember the story right.
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davidbix posted:Also, I believe Garner randomly thought he was supposed to go up like a Tiger Driver, at least if I remember the story right. The audible reaction of horror from the crowd is 100% justified though, yikes. I remember stumbling on a clip from a dark match where HHH finished his opponent with the diamond cutter, but apparently DDP politely asked him not to use it, I think?
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El Gallinero Gros posted:The audible reaction of horror from the crowd is 100% justified though, yikes. Yep. DDP had just started getting a reaction when HHH switched to a cutter, so he called Trips and asked "Could you please not use it; I'm finally getting over?" and Trips replied "Done."
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Davros1 posted:Yep. DDP had just started getting a reaction when HHH switched to a cutter, so he called Trips and asked "Could you please not use it; I'm finally getting over?" and Trips replied "Done." The rarest of sightings in the wild, HHH doing something selfless
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Karma came calling when they had to do all those jobber matches for the Steiners later.
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Other than thr Bellas, have there been any popular twins in wrestling? Has there ever been an Olsen-like switch of twins playing one character?
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Feb 17, 2021 01:44
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Red posted:Is the Pedigree actually safe? I remember the one guy (Cham Pain?) taking it vertically, but it seems like a move where A.) you're landing on your face with little control, since your arms are tied up, and B.) Hunter's knees hold you in place, but could potentially add injury if he applies pressure or goes limp. It's a safe move but watching back through the Monday Night Wars so many guys won't take the Pedigree bump right. Lots of guys hitting their knees then falling down instead of full extension.
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Jimmy and Jey Uso are twins, I’m told. As are the Dudley Boyz, but they’re not identical.
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BaronVanAwesome posted:Other than thr Bellas, have there been any popular twins in wrestling? Has there ever been an Olsen-like switch of twins playing one character? Earl and Dave Hebner did a twin magic angle in some old Hogan/Andre match where Ted DiBiase had paid off one of them to cheat, think that's about as close as it comes
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Aye Doc posted:Earl and Dave Hebner did a twin magic angle in some old Hogan/Andre match where Ted DiBiase had paid off one of them to cheat, think that's about as close as it comes Stupid as it sounds, Demolition used to twin magic during matches. Even though it doesn't take a genius to tell that Axe and Crush aren't the same guy.
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TheKingslayer posted:Stupid as it sounds, Demolition used to twin magic during matches. Even though it doesn't take a genius to tell that Axe and Crush aren't the same guy. there seem to be more instances of people who look nothing alike doing this than actual cases of twins executing Twin Magic. -Kofi Kingston and Xavier Woods at Payback 2015 -Kurt and Eric Angle apparently did this in WWE, and then Kurt took the strat with him to TNA to use with... Frank Trigg. -The Basham Brothers apparently did it -gonna copy paste in full from tvtropes for this one: quote:WCW played this straight in at least one singles match between Mike Enos and Chavo Guerrero Jr.. Enos's tag partner, Dick Slater, switched with Enos despite having different hair and a significant size and age difference between the two. The referee did not notice.
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I'd completely forgotten about the Angle brothers. That was actually a really solid switcheroo if I'm remembering it right.
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