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Jose posted:the man is loving obsessed with ID cards Have they changed their logo? Did they change it because I mocked it in this thread last year?? I'd like to think so. (seriously that logo was utter garbage)
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Vitamin P posted:I realise you're an ethnonationalist idiot but a genuine Galaxy Brain Meme moment most politically aware people have at some point in their lives is that Britain is actually pretty good. if your soul was the son (ideally) of someone whose soul was already pretty loving rich it would be an awesome place to aim for.
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Feb 17, 2021 00:35
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Vitamin P posted:You say "I'm really sorry, would love to help, but I've been advised by my solicitor not to make any statements to the police before speaking to them,". You then say you don't have your solicitors number in your phone and don't feel comfortable saying the name of the firm. If they really press then you call your mate and say "Hey turns out I don't have their number saved in my phone, do you mind texting it to me?" and then if your mate is sound they send a text 3 hours later saying 'hey couldn't find the number, are you in trouble?". If you're not minded to have anything to do with the police, a much better stock response to being spoken to on the street is "why do you ask?" They might say "I think you might be a witness to something", you can say "sorry I didn't see anything" and be on your way. If they're being vaguely accusatory, try "sorry, what's this about?", listen to the answer, then tell them you're leaving and see if they try to stop you. Either it's over and you're walking away, or you know where you stand and can figure out what to do next. Opening with "I want to talk to my solicitor before I say anything" is a big escalation that's all but impossible to come back from, and is very likely going to make the police want to know why you think you need one because they said "good afternoon". Jose posted:maybe you just have a different view of reputable than the rest of the world OK, what do you mean by that? Are we going down the "current institutions are beyond saving and anyone who engages with them is morally compromised" line, something like that? Is there some other point you'd like to make that might lead to some interesting insights, instead of just belching hundreds of contextless Twitter links and one-line "lol" posts into the void every month?
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Feb 17, 2021 00:36
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Trin Tragula posted:Is there some other point you'd like to make that might lead to some interesting insights, instead of just belching hundreds of contextless Twitter links and one-line "lol" posts into the void every month? Hey that's not fair, sometimes he adds the thunk emoji
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Feb 17, 2021 00:38
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i dont think the police say good afternoon anymore since like loving inspector morse and even he was frowning and totally not up for it
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Feb 17, 2021 00:40
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My soul could land in the ocean and I could be a fish. Of course that does not preclude me being a happy, british fish as we know, but I think I would rather be a gay fish on the whole.
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Feb 17, 2021 00:40
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I'd be one of those fish that can change gender at will. I bet that's a lot of fun.
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Feb 17, 2021 00:42
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If you're into being stepped on by giant mommy also I think there's fish that do that too. Honestly the fish have it right tbh.
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Feb 17, 2021 00:43
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Guavanaut posted:Britain is actually one of the best places in the world that novel coronaviruses actually want to come to.
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OwlFancier posted:I think I would rather be a gay fish on the whole. 
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Feb 17, 2021 00:44
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Personally if I feel uncomfortable when the police come and talk to me I shout something Arabic sounding and run away safe in the knowledge that they won't arrest me for fear of seeming Islamaphobic.
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Feb 17, 2021 00:46
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TACD posted:Britain as one of those jelly enemies that splits into two smaller enemies when you kill it is a very good metaphor. They’re boring, generic, and while quite annoying usually not so dangerous that you have to take them seriously. Tories doing their best to make the UK split into smaller enemies.
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Feb 17, 2021 00:59
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Wow you're a weird idiot. I originally had that post quoted but anyone who's already got you on ignore shouldn't be exposed to that bizarre irrelevant poo poo that you nonetheless manage to be an rear end in a top hat about. "It's fine if things are poo poo because we're better than those foreigns."
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Feb 17, 2021 01:24
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Tesseraction posted:Personally if I feel uncomfortable when the police come and talk to me I shout something Arabic sounding and run away safe in the knowledge that they won't arrest me for fear of seeming Islamaphobic. I somehow have developed a habit of just replying "inshallah" when a chud starts yelling at me for being disabled/queer/anti-racist and I can't stop. ... I don't want to stop either as it turns out.
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Feb 17, 2021 01:27
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It's loving impressively stupid, setting the bar at "better than I imagine those foreigns to be". Really, there's no limit to how much shittiness you can excuse with that if you're dense enough.
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Feb 17, 2021 01:34
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calm down. I actually prefer living here to some other places.
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endlessmonotony posted:I somehow have developed a habit of just replying "inshallah" when a chud starts yelling at me for being disabled/queer/anti-racist and I can't stop. TBF where you live isn't that low number of vowels considered treason?
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Tesseraction posted:TBF where you live isn't that low number of vowels considered treason? Not as long as you sing it.
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Feb 17, 2021 01:50
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Vitamin P posted:I realise you're an ethnonationalist idiot but a genuine Galaxy Brain Meme moment most politically aware people have at some point in their lives is that Britain is actually pretty good. Vitamin P accusing anyone else of being ethnonationalist is a hoot. Britain is poo poo mate. That it's less poo poo than a lot of places doesn't change that. It's a nation of cruel, petty, small-minded bigots. Maybe that's just human nature and this is the best we can manage. That isn't reassuring.
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Feb 17, 2021 02:25
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Pistol_Pete posted:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/16/keir-starmer-leadership-urgent-course-correction-labour It's not just a 'Guardian article', it's a guest column by Starmer's loving leadership campaign director: https://twitter.com/tomkibasi/status/1246381534287998976?s=21
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Feb 17, 2021 02:50
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forkboy84 posted:Vitamin P accusing anyone else of being ethnonationalist is a hoot. Given Ash has clearly said, multiple times, that your ethnicity doesn't matter - and I have absolutely no reason to doubt that's a genuine conviction - that makes them a nationalist at worst, and Scottish nationalism seems to be mostly opposition to British and English nationalism. Also better things ARE possible. Look at the EU. Generations upon generations upon generations of devastating warfare, inventing whole new forms of racism and creating systems to crush the unlucky - or chop their hands off for not making money fast enough. Along comes the EU and there's genuine human rights victories in a few decades. Sure, the EU's poo poo and hella neoliberal, but it's vastly better than the sum of its parts, never mind the sum of its parts when it was created. United Kingdom? It isn't, is it. It was never good when it was, so no great loss.
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Feb 17, 2021 03:11
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Gotta wonder if he's just in it for the grift or whether he was just unfathomably stupid and couldn't see the glaringly obvious in front of him tbh.
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Feb 17, 2021 03:12
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Flayer posted:Corbyn lost because of weak political tactics and instincts (which is no knock against him as a person at all). For example in the debate with Johnson where he refused to have a clear view on Brexit and basically deferred the decision. In retrospect he would have been far better off saying "we have to respect the will of the people and leave" or the like and forgetting about appeasing the Lib Dem vote (even though personally I've always been very anti-Brexit and still am). You know I was there at the time and I remember this clearly being Corbyns stance from the start before the 2017 election. But every one of his allies thought differentely and forced him to adopt that new stance, Owen Jones wrote a lot of stuff about it, John McDonnell went out against him on this point as well and Diane Abbot too. This particular thing (brexit stance) I don't think people can shove off on Corbyn as his fault, since he had the right stance from the start, and only went with the majority view of those around him after like a solid year of bitching about it. Well they got what they wanted.
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Feb 17, 2021 05:32
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Also the labour membership, it passed at conference, twice, and was ignored the first time.
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Feb 17, 2021 05:35
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Yep so everyone got what they wanted, in terms of policy, well except Corbyn.
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Feb 17, 2021 05:38
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Love too be told that I should be grateful to live on terf island, a place so rapidly and deeply attacking trans rights that more than half the trans people I know here have plans on how to get out because the rhetoric is already so fevered, and escalating so rapidly. And most of those who don't have such plans lack them because of a lack of means rather than faith in the country.
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Ms Adequate posted:Love too be told that I should be grateful to live on terf island, a place so rapidly and deeply attacking trans rights that more than half the trans people I know here have plans on how to get out because the rhetoric is already so fevered, and escalating so rapidly. And most of those who don't have such plans lack them because of a lack of means rather than faith in the country. Can we still vote up a threadban? Because I think they earned it this time
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OwlFancier posted:Also the labour membership, it passed at conference, twice, and was ignored the first time.
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lol that Vitamin P thinks that's some profound moment of realisation rather than the default mainstream idea that's drilled into us from all angles from birth Anyway, when people say "Britain" in that context they mean "Western Europe", we're not special. & when people mean Western Europe, what they actually mean is "places that benefit from colonialism", meaning that (a)it's not so much that it's a good region to be inside of, it's that it's a bad region to be outside of, and (b)directing that "aren't you lucky" specifically at marginalised groups is such a loving moronic take that only a Dunning-Kruger golem like Vitamin P could possibly come out with it Ms A, it sucks that this is terf island but I'm glad that you are from here because it means you hang out with us, your posting pals, who respect your gender identity unconditionally & enjoy your company 
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I mean... I'm sure when they polled it the labour party was overwhelmingly remain... At what point do you accept that the desire to be a part of the EU for whatever reason is a central value for the labour party? Given that it also tracks very strongly with age and we supposedly want to capitalize on the political energy of the young I don't really see how you can flick a switch and say "ok we want the anticapitalism but you have to make nice with the kippers because they won" I don't think there is any way to make that sort of change in a short period of time and I also don't think that attempting is going to be seen as anything but yet another desire to exploit the labour and energy of people without giving them what they want. Which is a sensation that I viscerally detest and don't particularly think is a good idea to impose on anybody you have the faintest amount of respect for. I don't particularly like the idea of utilizing the party machinery to dictate to the membership what they should be doing even if you frame it left wingishly. If people wanted to campaign for remain and see their desire for it reflected in the party's platform that is their right, and I don't see how we could realistically expect them to give that support without getting what they want in return. Borrovan posted:Ms A, it sucks that this is terf island but I'm glad that you are from here because it means you hang out with us, your posting pals, who respect your gender identity unconditionally & enjoy your company Also this, an exodus of trans people would be an immesurable loss for the people left behind, whether they realise it or not. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 09:20 on Feb 17, 2021 |
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It was never a circle that was possible to square. That should already have been obvious in 2016, however. It is true that Labour made a short-sighted miscalculation in 2016 in gambling that Remain would obviously win, which would suppress any dicey coalitional consequences anyway, and hence the tactical goal is mainly to avoid a ScotRef-style trap where the Tories drive an irreparable wedge between Labour and a sufficiently large chunk of its natural voting base by emphasizing the cultural contradictions within Labour's old and new voting cores. But this is if anything a remarkably small miscalculation next to then-Conservative leadership's own, of course, that Remain would obviously win &c. The contradiction only eventually destroyed Corbynism but it did immediately destroy Cameronism.
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Given how well the soft-Remain second referendum tactic worked it'd hardly be worse using all our energy in 2018 trying to convince that wing of Labour that the EU is a neocolonialist shitpile with the world's most racist borders than trying to convince Lib Dem voters whatever it was Starmer's wing was trying to convince them. There's more important cultural and economic splits to focus on than the one that was obviously manufactured by the Tories and the right wing press as an endless sand trap.
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And also if I recall, despite the fact Labour lost because of their stance on a second referendum, they still got one of the highest vote counts in years. There were a lot of people who wanted that combined with the membership wanting it and it was reflected, it just was not enough to outweigh the others. 2017 was the only chance, really. Not enough media poisoning, not enough fatigue about brexit, not enough lies people shoved out by people. I did enjoy seeing Labour and Corbyn destroy Johnson's opening vote as PM over and over.
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You could try to do that, yes, but I don't think you would manage to achieve enough to change the result. I think that a lot of people quite sincerely believe (and possibly not incorrectly) that in a choice between appeasing the brexit brigade and... not doing that, remaining in the EU is decidedly the better choice. I mean gently caress I think that because I voted remain and would have in a second referendum too. I don't think you can trivially just say "all that's wrong, eu bad, should leave" and expect to get anywhere especially in the environment of the leave position being the place where all the worst assholes in the world are congregating. And it is appeasement, is the thing. It is saying "oh well we won't do the brexit they want but we have to do a brexit because we have to respect their wishes" and I don't think anyone with strong opinions on the subject is going to somehow not pick up on that, and not be disgusted by it. We already had the problems with the leadership trying to co-opt the language of the right with the whole "EU membership means immigrants drive wages down" mess. People do not like that. And they aren't stupid, they can tell when you're doing it. That's not... a manufactured thing? The leave position was and always has been the refuge of the absolute worst people in the country, people aren't putting it on when they don't want to be associated with that and they don't want to give ground to that. The leave/remain divide isn't invented, it's just another facet of a far more all encompassing divide in UK society. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Feb 17, 2021 |
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Important to put in context imo that we're only so sure now that a second referendum was such a terrible idea with the benefit of hindsight. Personally, I thought it was a bad idea, until it became apparent that there was absolutely no way the centrists would allow a soft Brexit/customs union/whatever. That was the most likely way of stopping a hard Brexit, and when it became apparent that that was impossible, it was either digging our heels in knowing that we'd get whatever Boris wanted regardless, or a long shot at a 2nd ref. Imo the long shot was a fair gamble because of how much we stood to lose, even if it was very unlikely to happen, and (with the benefit of hindsight) worked out very badly for us. However, it would've been nice if the centrists et al had just let us have a customs union. Considering the "et al" includes a lot of the Labour left membership though, it'd be a fairly dumb take to say "everyone should just have spontaneously decided en masse to agree with me, a brain genius", because that's just not how collective decisions work. It's still the parliamentary Labour right/Lib Dems fault that a customs union couldn't get through Parliament though, there's a small enough number of them & they knew exactly what they were doing
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Personally devastated that my soul midichlorians landed in Ireland and I'm condemned to a life of looking across the water towards Wales and dreaming about what might have been my life. So close 
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Feb 17, 2021 09:47
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Borrovan posted:We should just abbreviate all of them & call it Island. The archipelago can be called the Islish Isles. The Paeodoph Isles Or something like the Paid-off Isles?
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Borrovan posted:Considering the "et al" includes a lot of the Labour left membership though, it'd be a fairly dumb take to say "everyone should just have spontaneously decided en masse to agree with me, a brain genius", because that's just not how collective decisions work. Agree that the Lib Dems and Lab right deserve the majority of the blame for being poo poo but there's not much in comparison that I could have done about that.
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lmao remember the mural that unambiguously proved Corbyn was a rabid antisemite. Current darling of the right Gina Carano posted pretty much the exact same image and now Bari Weiss has given her a full pass for it:quote:The meme bears a striking resemblance to an infamous East London mural called “Freedom for Humanity” that Jeremy Corbyn defended from destruction. The faces in the original mural are different — hook-nosed, and more obviously the derogatory stereotype of Jewish faces, like Der Stürmer caricatures.
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quote:There are different standards—or ought to be—for actors, who get paid to play other people, and politicians, who serve the public and should know the history and implications of such an image. This is just code for "there are different standards for Jeremy corbyns and non-Jeremy corbyns"
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