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Kim Justice
Jan 29, 2007

flatluigi posted:

yeah i didn't really like that needle drop video

That's the nicest thing anyone's ever said about Anthony Fantano

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macabresca
Jan 26, 2019

I WANNA HUG
Obviously the only correct spelling is ˌdaɪ.əˈdʒet.ɪk

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN
I'm still not sure why Patrick has leaned into "critic does lengthy skits with continuity/lore" when many of his colleagues abandoned that style years ago.

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

Kim Justice posted:

That's the nicest thing anyone's ever said about Anthony Fantano

lmao i was genuinely confused until i realized they weren't talking about theneedledrop

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Benne posted:

I'm still not sure why Patrick has leaned into "critic does lengthy skits with continuity/lore" when many of his colleagues abandoned that style years ago.

i mean why not. if critics want to do and can actually do it well, then more power to them. i mean i dont care for it sure, but nothing wrong with sticking with what you know.

flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes

Alaois posted:

lmao i was genuinely confused until i realized they weren't talking about theneedledrop

believe me if that was the channel the video was on i wouldn't have even given it a chance

fun hater
May 24, 2009

its a neat trick, but you can only do it once

Dapper_Swindler posted:

i mean why not. if critics want to do and can actually do it well, then more power to them. i mean i dont care for it sure, but nothing wrong with sticking with what you know.

skits in videos are probably more fun to make than to watch

Twincityhacker
Feb 18, 2011

The Skit Defender has logged on.

Jamie Faith
Jan 13, 2020

Benne posted:

I'm still not sure why Patrick has leaned into "critic does lengthy skits with continuity/lore" when many of his colleagues abandoned that style years ago.

I said this last time we were talking about PHW but everyone just kinda shrugged and went who cares? lol

But yeah I agree. Patrick's skits are not funny imo and just kinda weird and awkward (As most review skits are lol). I try to give em a chance every time and I suffer thru them for a minute or 2 but they just won't end so I always end up fast-forwarding them lol

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?

Linkara's skits are just kind of cute and he puts them at the end of the video for people who want em.

Jamie Faith
Jan 13, 2020

Yardbomb posted:

Linkara's skits are just kind of cute and he puts them at the end of the video for people who want em.

Yeah, I don't mind them because they're easily skippable. But with Patrick, it's annoying because I have to fast forward a little bit to find where the actual content begins and then I realize I went too far and have to rewind and it's just a pain.

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN
I mean, if you have to put timestamps in the video where the skits begin and end so people can easily skip them, maybe your skits just suck and you should stop doing them?

Twincityhacker
Feb 18, 2011

Maybe y'all are the fun police. = (

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Benne posted:

I'm still not sure why Patrick has leaned into "critic does lengthy skits with continuity/lore" when many of his colleagues abandoned that style years ago.

He wants to make films. It's what his channel was before he started doing criticism / analysis as well.

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
Pretty much everyone in the (movie) reviewer scene wants to do their own writing eventually, it's kind of inevitable.

I do prefer it when those skits are actually in service of the video though. Like, Philosophy Tube features a lot of skits but they are usually very topical and directly connected to the thrust of the video.

I didn't know about Patrick Willems before so the skits are just confusing. When the skits develop lore, they become too much.

I do like the more calm and collected internet creator people though.

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo
I like Patrick's videos but yeah, the running narrative can get PRETTY confusing.

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

Parakeet vs. Phone posted:

They were also everywhere and at lots of gift stores, kind of like Funko Pops now. I'm looking forward to it too. From Jenny's Twitter, she's also going to go into how massive the fade was and cover all the side markets, like clothes, that popped up.

I know that there are still aspects of this with toys and things like Funko Pops, but man, the 90s were really the era of companies just churning out collectibles to profit off of people who thought that their commemorative copy of Superman's death would be worth millions.

I am really looking forward to the video because I know way too many people who fall for the *collector edition* hype of every piece of garbage and never understand why, say, some little toys and doo-dads are worth thousands but the reprint version that says it'll only appreciate in value on the box is never worth more than ten dollars despite them buying five copies to resell later! But surely all of these duke nukem forevers are going to be worth something some day!

Kim Justice
Jan 29, 2007

Things got pretty intense during the whole beanie baby comedown.



People broke up their collections in divorces. Some spent their entire life savings on them. There was even a murder over them.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink
I remember when the miscolored Peanut the Elephant was on the news in the late 90s for being sold at some auction for an astonishing $200.

Anyways, google reports that it's worth $7000 today.

Kim Justice
Jan 29, 2007

Schwarzwald posted:

I remember when the miscolored Peanut the Elephant was on the news in the late 90s for being sold at some auction for an astonishing $200.

Anyways, google reports that it's worth $7000 today.

Even the common beanies flew off the shelf for this reason. You never know, there could be an error that makes them unique!

When McDonalds did a Beanie Baby Happy Meal tie-in (one of the few concessions Ty made to more traditional commercialism because it would have been really stupid not to do it) it was apparently absolute chaos at a level seen in pretty much no other campaign. People would order 50 Happy Meals and try to get the cashiers to keep the burgers and fries.

Viewtiful Jew
Apr 21, 2007
Mench'n-a-go-go-baby!
Teenie Beanies weren't even as good as the regular sized ones.

And you might ask, "What fast food toy WAS better than the version you could buy in a store?" And I would point to the Bionocle ones that basically gave you the NPC townsfolk that were more interesting to me than the actual main line-up.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
It's not a big leap from skits to improv like the Mitch Buchanan riffs in Allison's baywatching videos. As long as they're amusing and don't derail stuff it's harmless

Solitair
Feb 18, 2014

TODAY'S GONNA BE A GOOD MOTHERFUCKIN' DAY!!!
I don't really watch Patrick Willems anymore, but I'd recommend his Music Biopics and Matrix Sequels videos.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Benne posted:

I mean, if you have to put timestamps in the video where the skits begin and end so people can easily skip them, maybe your skits just suck and you should stop doing them?

It's pretty much one of the reasons why I don't watch much of his stuff. As soon as I even get the whiff of a skit brewing, it just immediately puts me off of that poo poo.

For me, the worst though are the older Mr Plinkett reviews that RLM did. I watched the Phantom Menace one that everyone had a collective jizz over, and I found the skits not only intrusive, but gross as gently caress. Hahahahaha woman chained to radiator while a serial killer calls her a bitch and threatens to kill her hahahahaha funny funny funny hahaodfjnaxl;kfhgnoai snmgkoajsdng. gently caress off.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Those videos are certainly historically significant for how they brought more rigor to the format and opened the door to analysis over summary, but they have not aged well at all and I probably couldn’t sit through one now. RLM has come a long way in not being as lovely as they were at the start, I think.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Kim Justice posted:

Things got pretty intense during the whole beanie baby comedown.



People broke up their collections in divorces. Some spent their entire life savings on them. There was even a murder over them.

yeah and now they sell them for like buck and half at yard sales at the mall.

Vagabundo posted:

It's pretty much one of the reasons why I don't watch much of his stuff. As soon as I even get the whiff of a skit brewing, it just immediately puts me off of that poo poo.

For me, the worst though are the older Mr Plinkett reviews that RLM did. I watched the Phantom Menace one that everyone had a collective jizz over, and I found the skits not only intrusive, but gross as gently caress. Hahahahaha woman chained to radiator while a serial killer calls her a bitch and threatens to kill her hahahahaha funny funny funny hahaodfjnaxl;kfhgnoai snmgkoajsdng. gently caress off.

some of the stuff goes to far but i do like the weird hosed up comparisons he makes. the raid one and the puzzle one and the "how to eat pussy" cooking guide always get a chuckle out of me.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

There aren’t a lot of strict rules when it comes to making videos. If you can do the skits well, go right ahead, even if they won’t be everyone’s cup of tea.

But the thing is, there’s no shortcut when it comes to doing it well. Being a good critic won’t automatically make you a good actor, writer or director, but being popular for one thing makes it super easy to fall into the Dunning-Kruger mindset where you’re convinced that anything you do must be gold and that your fans will lap it up. The most obvious example of this is Doug with Demo Reel, but far better critics than him can still make the same mistake.

Personally my least-favorite use of skits is when they’re put in a video that’s primarily meant to be a serious discussion of some social or political topic. It’s one thing to mess around when you’re reviewing a movie or a video game, but when you’re supposed to be giving a lecture on something important, it comes across as condescending, as if you think the audience is so stupid they won’t understand unless you put on a pantomime for them like they were toddlers. A few wisecracks here or there, like what Shaun does, are fine, but when they start taking over the whole production then you have a problem.

Although I suppose someone’s tolerance for that sort of thing is still going to depend on the content itself. Contra and Philosophy Tube are both guilty of adding self-indulgent theatrics to their videos about serious topics but I actually agree with Contra’s viewpoints most of the time so I’m able to tolerate her goofing off a lot more.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Heck I skip through the beginning of the Half in the Bags to when they get to talking about the movies even though RLM is pretty funny. It makes sense their best content is re:View and their commentary tracks because they both have none of that fluff.

DrVenkman
Dec 28, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.
I like Kurtis Conner's videos but I've started skipping the 'skits'. I know it's part of his thing but when he makes a joke and then does an overlong bit demonstrating that joke I start mashing the 10 second skip.

It's also a bigger barrier to entry than people realise. I feel like most the time I'm recommending videos to people it comes with a disclaimer to "just ignore the unfunny stuff".

Draga
Dec 9, 2011

WASHI JA!

Groovelord Neato posted:

Heck I skip through the beginning of the Half in the Bags to when they get to talking about the movies even though RLM is pretty funny. It makes sense their best content is re:View and their commentary tracks because they both have none of that fluff.

I will never skip the beginning of the Rogue One episode.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Draga posted:

I will never skip the beginning of the Rogue One episode.

STAR DESTROYERS I'M GONNA CUUUUUUUUM

Any time some new terrible prequel series or movie is made of any property all I can think is I KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

Draga
Dec 9, 2011

WASHI JA!
IT BROKE NEW GROUND!

*Rich Evans dying of laughter*

Lotus Aura
Aug 16, 2009

KNEEL BEFORE THE WICKED KING!
AT-STs! AT-STs!

Mr Phillby
Apr 8, 2009

~TRAVIS~
I think we're past the point where RLM needs the irony shield of the plinket character to get away with 90 minute star wars critique vids or whatever but there seems to still be a portion of the audience that only cares about that plinket long form review content.

I gave up on the plinket reviews after the Force Awakens one. I thought their initial half in the bag was a really good balanced look at the film and the plinket review was just incredibly negative and felt like it had a lot less to say about the film than their first impressions review did.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


I only watched it the once when it dropped but wasn't it mostly about everything surrounding Star Wars as a property.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
Plinkett is mostly dead at this point outside some skits in half in the bag and it’s good because outside the prequels they feel a bit forced. Like they did the prequels for a purpose but the rest seem to be just because the character got popular

Pigbuster
Sep 12, 2010

Fun Shoe
Ruggington has started posting out of context anime clips again and holy poo poo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPZ3U6Budu0

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
🍀👽🆚🪖🏋

DrVenkman posted:

I like Kurtis Conner's videos but I've started skipping the 'skits'. I know it's part of his thing but when he makes a joke and then does an overlong bit demonstrating that joke I start mashing the 10 second skip.

It's also a bigger barrier to entry than people realise. I feel like most the time I'm recommending videos to people it comes with a disclaimer to "just ignore the unfunny stuff".

I was gonna mention him, Danny, and drew but I don’t skip because all their videos are on stupid people and stupid jokes add to the whole thing.

I love it. There’s no story arc because you want to be a filmmaker so bad you have to sneak in a story in your review of some movie instead of....making a short film or something.

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.

Mr Phillby posted:

I think we're past the point where RLM needs the irony shield of the plinket character to get away with 90 minute star wars critique vids or whatever but there seems to still be a portion of the audience that only cares about that plinket long form review content.

I gave up on the plinket reviews after the Force Awakens one. I thought their initial half in the bag was a really good balanced look at the film and the plinket review was just incredibly negative and felt like it had a lot less to say about the film than their first impressions review did.

I haven't watched that video in a long while, but I just remember the Plinkett video on TFA being like "Yeah, it was fine to watch through, but in retrospect it was pretty risk adverse and sexless." Which I guess is in line with how Disney is going to be handling any tentpole Marvel or Star Wars movie from now until the end of time.

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DesertIslandHermit
Oct 7, 2019

It's beautiful. And it's for the god of...of...arts and crafts. I think that's what he said.
I enjoyed the Plinket stuff with the prequels because it had been about over a decade and plenty of time to cement peoples thoughts of the movies. I think Mr. Plinket as a character was good in the sense that he's a mix of grumpy, overly critical and absolutely insane that you couldn't take the entire review seriously. A mix of nonsense with some sincere honesty. The newer Mr. Plinket videos feel more like a ranting persona than in-depth. Mike could have waited some years before doing one on something like TLJ or Picard when the air finally settles.

Best of the Worst is my favorite series.

DesertIslandHermit fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Feb 18, 2021

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