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Seedge posted:New episode: So... were we supposed to recognise the aerospace person? Because I sure didn't. They're for sure Skrulls. Not only were they a bunch of randos after getting hyped for weeks but the main one said something about "owing" Maria and Monica.
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BurritoJustice posted:So what's everyone's updated Evan Peters theories? X-Men Quicksilver but controlled by Agatha, which explains why he's been such a nosey dick the whole time.
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Feb 19, 2021 11:36
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what was the talking when Monica was going into the hex? Was that audio from captain marvel? I couldn’t make it out
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Feb 19, 2021 11:44
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From the latest episode: managed to get a screen grab from the Book. Anyone know a book with what looks like two goat heads? 
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Feb 19, 2021 11:51
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Been watching wandavision as a byproduct of paying for the mandalorian season 2 and I KILLED SPARKY TOO! is the first thing i’ve legitimately liked in the mcu. Is Agatha a character in the comics or is she an original character do not steal?
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Feb 19, 2021 12:05
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teacup posted:what was the talking when Monica was going into the hex? Was that audio from captain marvel? I couldn’t make it out Yeah. Sounded like her mom, Carol and Fury.
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Feb 19, 2021 12:05
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Holy poo poo Agatha All Along is one of the finest moments in all of the MCU. Kathryn Hahn is just having the absolute time of her life mugging for the camera and it's loving incredible. SirSamVimes fucked around with this message at 12:09 on Feb 19, 2021 |
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Feb 19, 2021 12:06
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Eau de MacGowan posted:Been watching wandavision as a byproduct of paying for the mandalorian season 2 and I KILLED SPARKY TOO! is the first thing i’ve legitimately liked in the mcu. Is Agatha a character in the comics or is she an original character do not steal? https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Agatha_Harkness_(Earth-616)
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Feb 19, 2021 12:13
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BurritoJustice posted:Very unfortunately not. Would love to see the anti-AOS squad meltdown if that were the case 
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Feb 19, 2021 12:14
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Something is definitely up with the mailman. He had that weird exchange with Agatha in the 60s, that comment about Wanda fixing everything in the 80s and then he gave a weird look when Monica confronted Wanda.
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Feb 19, 2021 12:22
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Disappointed that there is actually an evil mastermind secretly controlling the situation but I guess it's not like you couldn't see it coming. I'd much rather watch a superhero having a nervous breakdown than have to her dealing with some cackling villain. Oh well, at least Kathryn Hahn looks like she's having fun with it Necrothatcher fucked around with this message at 12:27 on Feb 19, 2021 |
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Feb 19, 2021 12:24
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Necrothatcher posted:Disappointed that there is actually an evil mastermind secretly controlling the situation but I guess it's not like you couldn't see it coming. I'd much rather watch a superhero having a nervous breakdown than have to her dealing with some cackling villain. The two might not be mutually exclusive!
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Feb 19, 2021 12:29
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Agatha's plan is taking advantage of the fact that Wanda is having a grief-stricken breakdown.
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SirSamVimes posted:Agatha's plan is taking advantage of the fact that Wanda is having a grief-stricken breakdown. It pretty much has to be, yeah, else there's no meaning to Agatha using "Pietro" to try and find out how Wanda started all this. Agatha pretty much has to be a pawn taking advantage of something or that line of inquiry is pointless.
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Dead on Arrival posted:What that the Darkhold, or just a random spellbook? I remember it was on AoS, but I don't remember what happened to it. unfortunately we'd know if it was the Darkhold if it had "DARKHOLD" on the cover in big metal letters  . Robbie took ot with him to Hell, but it popped up again in Hulu's RunawaysEau de MacGowan posted:Been watching wandavision as a byproduct of paying for the mandalorian season 2 and I KILLED SPARKY TOO! is the first thing i’ve legitimately liked in the mcu. Is Agatha a character in the comics or is she an original character do not steal? in the comics she was the Fantastic Four's babysitter (because their son was until recently a virtual god) and became Wanda's teacher Protagorean fucked around with this message at 12:52 on Feb 19, 2021 |
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Feb 19, 2021 12:48
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BurritoJustice posted:So what's everyone's updated Evan Peters theories? theory For whatever reason Agatha can't bring people back from the dead so she did the next best thing and borrowed an alternate universe version hoping Wanda wouldnt notice too much. If thats a limit to her powers it would fit with why Pietro was so nosey about how Wanda apparantly can bring people back from the dead. massive spider fucked around with this message at 12:56 on Feb 19, 2021 |
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massive spider posted:theory If that's true then Agatha may be looking to resurrect Ralph, seeing as how she keeps mentioning him but he's never around. She may want to resurrect her kids too, given the "FOR THE CHILDREN" chant in episode two. So she may be going through her own grief breakdown, the same as Wanda.
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JoylessJester posted:The two might not be mutually exclusive! Yeah, but I can relate to someone having a grief-driven mental health crisis, I can't really relate to someone being manipulated by a magical supervillain
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Necrothatcher posted:Yeah, but I can relate to someone having a grief-driven mental health crisis, I can't really relate to someone being manipulated by a magical supervillain Making it all Wanda means making the person having a grief-driven mental health crisis the villain.
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I'm guessing Agatha will lead to the "Oh your children aren't real, I created them" House of M mind snap moment for the series
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Necrothatcher posted:Yeah, but I can relate to someone having a grief-driven mental health crisis, I can't really relate to someone being manipulated by a magical supervillain Wow check your privilege
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live with fruit posted:Making it all Wanda means making the person having a grief-driven mental health crisis the villain. That depends on how you tell the story.
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Feb 19, 2021 13:30
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Feb 19, 2021 13:33
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That ending was absolutely incredible and oh my God "And I killed Sparky too!  " followed by that cackle  The kid (Tommy?) saying,"You're quiet on the inside" was also deeply unsettling.
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I remember doing an essay once on how a surefire way to get a character to hit as "properly evil" and remove a degree of ambiguity is seemingly needless violence to animals. It also helps stop people from associating/empathizing with a villain even if they are "evil" because people tend to have a different viceral reaction to violence against animals (particularly domesticated) versus violence against humans. I think I remember calling it "kicking the dog" I feel that might fit?
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Deeply disappointed with this direction. I guess I’ll watch the finale but I can’t help but feel this show wasted its potential. Reveal was fun though.
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I'm assuming "Pietro" was really just Ralph playing a role at Agatha's direction.
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QuoProQuid posted:Deeply disappointed with this direction. I guess I’ll watch the finale but I can’t help but feel this show wasted its potential. What's disappointing about this? So...during the advertisement this week Was the nexus symbol the bifrost symbol? Also, I love the transition from Modern Family to modern horror with the lighting and letterboxing. They certainly get ambiance down.
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I’m open to being wrong about Agnes, but, honestly, I’m still not 100% convinced. It seems like such a jarring tonal and thematic left-turn to have there suddenly be a campy, mugging villain to the story. It kind of short-circuits the heart of the show. I think Agnes’ little ditty might be Wanda latching onto forcing Agnes into the villain role because that’s an easy answer and absolves her of any blame? Billy saying Agnes is “quiet inside” kind of makes me wonder if Agnes even exists at all, and isn’t somehow, like, a tangible expression of Wanda’s subconscious or something.
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I think it's unfortunately likely that blame is pushed onto Agatha and Hayward, and the latter is particularly disappointing. But there is only so far that the MCU is willing to break from the mould and I think they're just lampshading it really hard with the musical number. Wanda is definitely choosing to keep the illusion up and is therefore still complicit however
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Phylodox posted:I’m open to being wrong about Agnes, but, honestly, I’m still not 100% convinced. It seems like such a jarring tonal and thematic left-turn to have there suddenly be a campy, mugging villain to the story. It kind of short-circuits the heart of the show. I think Agnes’ little ditty might be Wanda latching onto forcing Agnes into the villain role because that’s an easy answer and absolves her of any blame? Billy saying Agnes is “quiet inside” kind of makes me wonder if Agnes even exists at all, and isn’t somehow, like, a tangible expression of Wanda’s subconscious or something. The first thing that jumps to mind is that Wanda doesn't know that Vision talked to Agatha and Herb in the 70s or that he talked to her in the car. Plus, they explicitly show Agatha in the director's seat. She's the one who's been editing the version that Darcy was watching. It seems like she's going to be the Kristof to Wanda's Truman but that doesn't mean Wanda is absolved. She's expanded the Hex so she presumably is the one controlling it, which means she's the one holding everyone hostage. BurritoJustice posted:I think it's unfortunately likely that blame is pushed onto Agatha and Hayward, and the latter is particularly disappointing. But there is only so far that the MCU is willing to break from the mould and I think they're just lampshading it really hard with the musical number. It seems more like that Agatha and maybe Mephisto or Nightmare or whoever are Wanda's villain but Hayward is Monica's. It's not MonicaVision but it does feel like they're Black Panther-in-Civil War-ing her here. live with fruit fucked around with this message at 14:14 on Feb 19, 2021 |
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So the takeaway about Pietro is that he wasn't from an alternative universe or whatever but they just cast Evan Peters as some random mind controlled guy who got speed powers to gently caress with us?
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Mooseontheloose posted:What's disappointing about this? I've always viewed the theorizing about a chessmaster controlling everything from the background to be more about absolving Wanda of culpability than about thematic consistency. Having it be "Agnes all along" lets both the show and the broader franchise argue that Wanda was not responsible for the worst aspects of Westview, avoiding uncomfortable questions that might make audiences question her inclusion as a hero in the broader franchise. WandaVision's need to fit inside the MCU (both in terms of the world and the studios plans for it) have always been the weakest parts of it. It isn't surprising that the writers went this route but I cannot help but feel there was a more elegant, complex way to explain the Maximoff Anomaly in a way that didn't undermine the show's central meditation on grief. E: I kind of expected the show to go this direction with how much it has coddled the main character. It's hard to go more than five minutes without some character reminding the audience that Wanda really loves Vision or what a good person she is. The only people who dislike Wanda or question her motives are clearly villainous psychopaths. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Feb 19, 2021 |
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Agatha cackling with a mimosa in the front yard while hexing "Pietro" is iconic
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Bedshaped posted:So the takeaway about Pietro is that he wasn't from an alternative universe or whatever but they just cast Evan Peters as some random mind controlled guy who got speed powers to gently caress with us? Yeah, just an easter egg.
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QuoProQuid posted:Yeah, just an easter egg. If that was the case, they wouldn't put him in the shows first post-credits scene.
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Mooseontheloose posted:So...during the advertisement this week Was the nexus symbol the bifrost symbol? It's literally the Nexus. It's a gateway to alternate realities
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Infinitum posted:It's literally the Nexus. It's a gateway to alternate realities So...Man-Thing?
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Probably rebranded to suit MCU needs.
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Did anyone catch everything that was said to Monica when she was going through the wall? I got the last part from Captain Marvel saying how strong she was, but the rest was hard to make out. My guess is her hearing Carol say how strong she was allowed her to somehow will herself to have powers like Captain Marvel while the wall of reality was altering her. She somehow focused what it was doing and gave it a direction to alter her. Thats right when her eyes changed color and she pulled it all together.
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