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FizFashizzle posted:we all thought watson would die the second he took the field Residual fears after seeing what happened to RG3.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:No it took 3 games and an all time lockeroom meltdown for people to realize that something was horribly wrong. What was the meltdown?
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SKULL.GIF posted:What was the meltdown? He had just played the single worst game I have ever seen from any quarterback (before or since), and completed melted down at a reporter in the locker room. Junior Seau had to come in and grab him and yank him away from the cameras. The team then suspended him for conduct detrimental and he made some half-assed apology that he wrote on a card then tossed the card in full view of the cameras.
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Feb 19, 2021 04:38
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He was 1 of 15 for 4 yards and 2 INTs that game
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Feb 19, 2021 04:48
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nah posted:He was 1 of 15 for 4 yards and 2 INTs that game Two fumbles also
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Feb 19, 2021 04:50
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He had actually won his first two starts and played well. But then that game three happened and it completely broke him.
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FizFashizzle posted:we all thought watson would die the second he took the field I didn’t think he’d die, I was just stupid and bought into the throwing velocity thing and assumed and would get picked apart by NFL quality dbs.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:I didn’t think he’d die, I was just stupid and bought into the throwing velocity thing and assumed and would get picked apart by NFL quality dbs. Same
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Feb 19, 2021 05:50
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R.D. Mangles posted:to this day i don't understand how vince wasn't an NFL superstar, he was the best college football player i have ever seen He was a nfl superstar
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Feb 19, 2021 05:54
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Remember when some people thought that Tim Tebow would be a good NFL QB?
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Feb 19, 2021 05:54
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did anyone think that other than josh mcdaniels
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Feb 19, 2021 05:56
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PupsOfWar posted:did anyone think that other than josh mcdaniels Skip Bayless probably.
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Feb 19, 2021 05:58
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I mean, was he capable of reading an NFL defense? Did he have to do anything like that at Texas or could he just dominate every game through sheer talent and force of will against players who were children compared to him? You seem like you're really good at hindsight but what about foresight?
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Feb 19, 2021 06:01
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Doltos posted:You seem like you're really good at hindsight but what about foresight? Mac Jones is not an NFL level QB.
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Feb 19, 2021 06:02
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Mac Jones is not an NFL level QB. My prediction is that Mac Jones is the guy the commentators spend all of Day 2 talking about being surprised he's still on the board. This year's Jake Fromm.
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Feb 19, 2021 06:40
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My hot take is that whichever team selects the most OL in this class will win the draft.
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Feb 19, 2021 08:03
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R.D. Mangles posted:to this day i don't understand how vince wasn't an NFL superstar, he was the best college football player i have ever seen He would have been a superstar in today's era. If Lamar Jackson can be MVP, only braindead coaching could have stopped Vince Young. Yes I am a Texas Longhorns fan, why do you ask?
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Tom Sellout posted:He would have been a superstar in today's era. If Lamar Jackson can be MVP, only braindead coaching could have stopped Vince Young. well who was his coach, no doubt some renowned leader of men
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R.D. Mangles posted:to this day i don't understand how vince wasn't an NFL superstar, he was the best college football player i have ever seen There was some nfl films doc a while back about Young/Leinert where they both openly admitted they didn’t put as much time and effort into the pros as they could have
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R.D. Mangles posted:to this day i don't understand how vince wasn't an NFL superstar, he was the best college football player i have ever seen 5k a week at cheescake factory, 600$ shots of cognac, this picture  Kull the Conqueror posted:There was some nfl films doc a while back about Young/Leinert where they both openly admitted they didn’t put as much time and effort into the pros as they could have Which one of these guys is not hitting the gym 
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Vince was on the cover of Madden before he started a single game in the NFL. He was doomed from the start.
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Feb 19, 2021 16:26
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Vince was on the Madden cover after winning Rookie of the Year and making the Pro Bowl in 2006.
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The Josh Allen thing also begs the question of “has their ever been a worse college QB that turned out to be a good pro”?
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I think Allen needs a few more years before we can safely say he doesn't suck. Rushing to judgement after one good season is how everyone goes drat what happened to Wentz
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Nodoze posted:I think Allen needs a few more years before we can safely say he doesn't suck. Rushing to judgement after one good season is how everyone goes drat what happened to Wentz This is where I am with Herbert too. No one can take away his rookie year tho
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Vince was on the cover of Madden before he started a single game in the NFL. He was doomed from the start. I have that madden on my computer so I can play as either Rex or Orton depending on the mood.
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Doltos posted:Josh Allen is the answer but I'll also put forward Mark Sanchez. I was really wrong about Watson and Rosen. I also refuse to be wrong about Kyler Murray and say he's a bad checkdown QB. I think I hated Herbert more than Allen--I'd have to look at last year's thread to really determine it. I remember thinking that the scary thing about Herbert was that he was showing Allen-type error (missing guys by 10 yards deep, even on a slant) without the excuse that he's throwing to future UPS drivers like Allen was. Allen was even more tools-y, but it really can't be understated how insanely different he looks now compared to at entry. Whoever is working with him helped him fix his wrist enough to spin the ball and avoid the weird gyro motion he used to get on deep balls, and he's much better about setting his feet. Herbert's feet got better too, particularly with how he's stepping into things and timing his release in conjunction with them. It's all just further proof that you absolutely can change form if guys work on it long enough, provided they have the minimum competency to work on the change. Sanchez though...Sanchez feels like a 2003 top QB prospect where none of us realized how far the game had gotten away from that. Really every USC QB between Palmer and Darnold was the same dude who ran the west coast offense/proto-Kiffin spread to varying ability levels, usually based on processing speed (high: Leinart, low:Wittek) or tools (high: Sanchez, low: Leinart).
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Henchman of Santa posted:The Josh Allen thing also begs the question of “has their ever been a worse college QB that turned out to be a good pro”? Matt Ryan wasn't a particularly good college QB and was barely recruited out of high school. He went 3rd overall. Matt Cassell never started a game in college.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Kurt Warner was trash at pretty much all competitive levels until he got to the Rams at 27. He's in the Hall. Matt Ryan wasn’t like a college legend or anything but he was really good at BC, especially his last year.
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Henchman of Santa posted:The Josh Allen thing also begs the question of “has their ever been a worse college QB that turned out to be a good pro”? Bart Starr threw for 1 touchdown and 9 interceptions his senior year at Alabama. It was the one-platoon days, but everybody thought so highly of him the Packers didn't get him until the 17th round.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Matt Ryan wasn’t like a college legend or anything but he was really good at BC, especially his last year. Ryan was being really hyped that year as a prospect, and as a potential Falcons pick. I remember him and
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Diva Cupcake posted:Matt Cassell never started a game in college. If only he had kept that streak going.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Matt Ryan wasn’t like a college legend or anything but he was really good at BC, especially his last year.
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Ryan was completely overhyped and made me hate him. Leinart and Young were college superstar legends that both went to the NFL and didn't try at all. Young was definitely talented and didn't try at all then flamed out. Leinart always sucked rear end and was a nascent Mark Sanchez. Looking back on QBs of the last 20 years I don't think any were particularly overhyped on the same level as Matt Ryan besides Sanchez, Leinart, Quinn, and Manziel. The egregiously overhyped guys like Geno Smith, Jimmy Clausen, Christian Hackenberg, Connor Cook, Matt Barkley, Brock Osweiler, Pat White, and Brian Brohm appropriately fell out of the first round despite non stop dick sucking from pundits and college announcers. Sure there were reach picks like Locker, Gabbert, Weeden, Ponder, etc but some of those guys weren't hyped up that much or earned their hype status but flamed out in the NFL anyway. Point is pundits will just latch on to a guy who isn't a premier #1 pick and spank the gently caress out of those page clicks. It gets really annoying, especially when Matt Ryan turns out to be a baller.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Vince was on the Madden cover after winning Rookie of the Year and making the Pro Bowl in 2006. Oh crap I completely forgot what year he was on the cover.
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a neat cape posted:How were EJ Manuel and JP Losman 1st rounders Ponder, Manuel, Losman, Freeman, Weeden, Locker, Lynch, Kizer, Trubisky, Kolb, Beck, Henne, and Jason Campbell were all top 50 picks that deserved to be there and some teams (bears) panicked and reached.
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a neat cape posted:How were EJ Manuel and JP Losman 1st rounders Even Jimbo Fisher said not to draft EJ Manuel before like the 3rd round.
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