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Thomas the Tank Engine IS fascist thoVictory Position posted:lol at Varoufakis being completely responsible for TF2's hat and key economy His wife is also the subject of Pulp's Common People
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Grevling posted:I also remember 2019. 
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a Loving Dog posted:I’m old enough to remember a few years ago when people on the “left” were screeching at Liz (I even saw her called fash lmao) for being personally against abortion while also saying it should still remain legal lol I don't know the specifics, but I could see that. Like, what does "personally" against abortion mean? If some right-wing politician or talking head says they're "personally (read, publicly) against homosexuality, but don't think it should be illegal" that's still a really bad thing.
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thotsky posted:I don't know the specifics, but I could see that. Like, what does "personally" against abortion mean? If some right-wing politician or talking head says they're "personally (read, publicly) against homosexuality, but don't think it should be illegal" that's still a really bad thing. liz bruenig isn’t going to tweet this, you moron
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Don't trust anybody that attend the same social gatherings as klein and yglesias
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it is very old-fashioned to try to engage with the world as anything but a discrete enumerable sequence of things, each of which is either fully bad or fully good.
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thotsky posted:I don't know the specifics, but I could see that. Like, what does "personally" against abortion mean? If some right-wing politician or talking head says they're "personally (read, publicly) against homosexuality, but don't think it should be illegal" that's still a really bad thing. big brain hours
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Phone posted:liz bruenig isn’t going to tweet this, you moron her account, her choice
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thotsky posted:I don't know the specifics, but I could see that. Like, what does "personally" against abortion mean? If some right-wing politician or talking head says they're "personally (read, publicly) against homosexuality, but don't think it should be illegal" that's still a really bad thing. I think she's said she would never have an abortion, but she also wouldn't interfere with other people who wanted their own abortions. So it's like not having gay sex but not caring about other people having gay sex.
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thotsky posted:I don't know the specifics, but I could see that. Like, what does "personally" against abortion mean? If some right-wing politician or talking head says they're "personally (read, publicly) against homosexuality, but don't think it should be illegal" that's still a really bad thing. presumably it means they would never want to get an abortion themselves, but would side with pro-choice people as a political issue
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thotsky posted:I don't know the specifics, but I could see that. Like, what does "personally" against abortion mean? If some right-wing politician or talking head says they're "personally (read, publicly) against homosexuality, but don't think it should be illegal" that's still a really bad thing. aborting a fetus is a lot like having gay sex
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scary ghost dog posted:aborting a fetus is a lot like having gay sex It's cool?
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i am against cheating on spouses, but i don't think it should be illegal
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Homeless Friend posted:maybe she received a divine revelation that it would help her make podcast $$$$$ I doubt she's making any money off it heh
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like, one can attribute a certain morality to an action while saying that they shouldn't be universalised, or by reflecting that there's no way to make it work politically. religious people believe in souls and poo poo, so they're often deeply skeptical of abortion. so long as this remains a matter of religious morality it's not a problem, but once they start trying to order society by those rules it becomes a big deal. incidentally, this is why moralism as a political motive is deeply problematic in general
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V. Illych L. posted:incidentally, this is why moralism as a political motive is deeply problematic in general aren't moral considerations what moves us to want better conditions for everyone
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Newest chapo is an absolute banger, even if it is a bit bleak. Though raging at how bleak everything is when they're at their best.
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Mr Hootington posted:My favorite tidbit about this was years before this Jia had written a long form article or book that discussed her parents crimes and how they were bad and wrong. wasn't instead about how her parents, contrary to a case in court, were not in fact slavers? because labor trafficking is very different from what her parents did, including pressuring people from finding better jobs through fear of deportation Honest Thief has issued a correction as of 16:48 on Feb 19, 2021 |
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this week's Trash Future was really good, discussing the terrible nature of Terf Island while also having some great jokes in it
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zegermans posted:also I didn't realize Liz Bruenig and Libby Watson were different people One time, either Adam or Stav mentioned Libby had been at one of their shows, and Nick almost murdered them. Something along the lines of "she's nice, and it's not good for people to be associated with us".
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Doctor Jeep posted:aren't moral considerations what moves us to want better conditions for everyone they can do that, but they mostly end up reinforcing deeply conservative attitudes and misunderstood politics
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Libertariansism by way of anti-woke dirtbag leftism is no way to go, I think. The left should retain the moral dimension of our ideology, not only because it guides and legitimizes the endeavor, but because it pisses of liberals like nothing else.
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thotsky posted:Libertariansism by way of anti-woke dirtbag leftism is no way to go, I think. The left should retain the moral dimension of our ideology, not only because it guides and legitimizes the endeavor, but because it pisses of liberals like nothing else. what, the choice isn't between moralism and libertarianism, it's between moralism and force
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I don't think anyone was suggesting forced abortions or anything, so you've lost me. I am more commenting on whether there should be a moral core to our politics or not. In my view, Libertariansism would be my example of a prominent ideology that tries to do away with moral concerns in their politics. I disagree with that approach.
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thotsky posted:I don't think anyone was suggesting forced abortions or anything, so you've lost me. At the risk of seeming ridiculous, let me say that the true revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love. It is impossible to think of a genuine revolutionary lacking this quality.
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a Loving Dog posted:I’m old enough to remember a few years ago when people on the “left” were screeching at Liz (I even saw her called fash lmao) for being personally against abortion while also saying it should still remain legal lol I think the taintrunner disciples out there have realized we were making fun of them and not agreeing by now
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Moralism is much like 'radical' in that it's a subjective position. How do you people claim to be politically aware and not know that.
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thotsky posted:I don't think anyone was suggesting forced abortions or anything, so you've lost me. I will begin by saying that I agree that there should be a moral core to our politics. I will also say that I think some people are wary of that position because of the idea that anyone and everyone can rationalize their own actions as being for the good.
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Doctor Jeep posted:aren't moral considerations what moves us to want better conditions for everyone It's empathy for me personally, I don't need a formalized rule system to tell me how to feel about others.
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my moral core is saying the words latinx, cishet, strasserite, tankie, red brown alliance, and fash pipeline 100,000 times per day on Twitter
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my local whitebread npr station started using the word latinx in a bumper every 15 minutes and it's driving me nuts
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thotsky posted:Libertariansism by way of anti-woke dirtbag leftism is no way to go, I think. The left should retain the moral dimension of our ideology, not only because it guides and legitimizes the endeavor, but because it pisses of liberals like nothing else. are you trying to get your posts on twitter again
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it's easy to muster a powerful response to moral stimuli; but for them to retain their effect requires the development of a consciousness in which there is a new priority of values.
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is the red scare ep with adam curtis available for free anywhere; i really don't want to pay for that poo poo for one interview
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Generic Monk posted:is the red scare ep with adam curtis available for free anywhere; i really don't want to pay for that poo poo for one interview They routinely get posted on the subreddit.
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Generic Monk posted:is the red scare ep with adam curtis available for free anywhere; i really don't want to pay for that poo poo for one interview use podcastaddict.com it had all the pirated feeds
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Mr Hootington posted:My favorite tidbit about this was years before this Jia had written a long form article or book that discussed her parents crimes and how they were bad and wrong. presumably she wrote that before that one guy wrote about his family's slave Lola and Woke Slave Discourse became a thing you could do and not only not get laughed at, but it'd be racist for anyone to call out
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Just for the record, people weren't mad at Liz for saying she was personally against abortion because she's Catholic they were mad that she spoke praise of Crisis Pregnancy Centers and appeared in some "make pro-life cool for millenials" video and some other stuff. Which far as I know she hasn't done for awhile but it's not just women being bitches to her or whatever the line that gets repeated is. Engaging in anti-choice propaganda isn't just having a private belief.Generic Monk posted:is the red scare ep with adam curtis available for free anywhere; i really don't want to pay for that poo poo for one interview Paffgen has issued a correction as of 18:47 on Feb 19, 2021 |
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Generic Monk posted:is the red scare ep with adam curtis available for free anywhere; i really don't want to pay for that poo poo for one interview Someone compiled a list of the patreon rss feeds. https://www.chapo.chat/post/57455
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