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Beefeater1980 posted:It’s also a bit premature to celebrate: first because Uber will I suspect say that the case turned on their old business model and now they are more careful not to exert the kind of control over drivers that would make them into workers. That would need to be litigated again. They'll still have a hard time though, I think? https://twitter.com/JeremiasPrassl/status/1362740339400994829?s=20 If they could show that their new model is based on negotiations with the drivers then maybe, but it's not. "We asked them what they wanted, and then we told them what they're getting" isn't a negotiation. Still, just because they are unlikely to win doesn't mean they won't try. And all the taxes they now owe to HMRC will never be paid in full because HMRC straight up doesn't have the staff to process anything that large, they'll offer Uber a measly settlement and that will be the end of it.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1362788600824418304?s=19 lol at the idea that they need to weasel, they just ignore it, secure in the knowledge that they will face no meaningful consequences.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Guinness is maybe the one thing we successfully stole valour from the Brits for The first Arthur Guinness was a Grattanite so i'm not confident he would have bristled at describing himself as an Irishman, similarly Lord Iveagh (Edward Cecil Guinness) was a backer of the Midletonite Unionist Anti-Partition League who swung to supporting a limited version of Home Rule to attempt to stop partition. It was pretty common for Unionists, especially Southern Unionists, to consider themselves Irish in the same way that you could encounter an extremely posh upper class person today who won't hesitate to describe themselves as Scottish but also a Unionist.
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Feb 19, 2021 18:28
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Scikar posted:They'll still have a hard time though, I think? yes. but won’t this make it very easy to launch civil cases now?
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Jel Shaker posted:yes. but won’t this make it very easy to launch civil cases now? I hope so. The BBC article has this quote at the end: quote:Dr Alex Wood, an Internet Institute research associate on the gig economy at the University of Oxford, disagrees. I would guess that it only takes one driver to succeed at getting a substantial payment, and then employment solicitors would more or less be looking at free money if they can get hold of a driver? I don't know if this actually closes out a tribunal case though (and I'm very much not a lawyer so probably wrong anyway in some form).
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kustomkarkommando posted:The first Arthur Guinness was a Grattanite so i'm not confident he would have bristled at describing himself as an Irishman, similarly Lord Iveagh (Edward Cecil Guinness) was a backer of the Midletonite Unionist Anti-Partition League who swung to supporting a limited version of Home Rule to attempt to stop partition. It was pretty common for Unionists, especially Southern Unionists, to consider themselves Irish in the same way that you could encounter an extremely posh upper class person today who won't hesitate to describe themselves as Scottish but also a Unionist. Fair, and the correction is appreciated. Was still a oval office though
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TreeTrunks posted:I had the Oxford/Az jab and had a sore arm and felt a bit hungover for a day or so. I've heard if you've had covid previously, then you'll have much more pronounced side effects For what it's worth I was needing-oxygen level unwell with Covid in April and I had very mild side-effects from the Pfizer vaccine, had a bit of a headache and went to bed early, fine the next day.
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PBS America channel - starting right now (Fri 730pm): 1916: Narrated by Liam Neeson, this landmark documentary examines the Easter Rising and the subsequent events that led to the creation of an independent Irish state - and, indirectly, to the start of the breakup of the British Empire. Looking at the Rising from an international perspective, 1916 offers insights that broaden public understanding of the historical interconnections between Britain, Ireland and the United States - connections whose significance extends right up to the the recent Irish peace process. The film combines rarely seen archive material with contemporary filming all over the world, plus revealing interviews with leading experts and historians. https://www.pbsamerica.co.uk/series/1916/ (it's on a few more times over the weekend) Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Feb 19, 2021 |
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what do yous think of this idea i have had so what you do right is you pick a place where you might want to go to (e.g. The Italian Republic, or as many call it, Italy). you get some authentic national cuisine such as you might eat if you went to that place - in this case you might get a nice big frozen dr oetker pizza while doing your shopping at the supermarket and a nice bottle of cianti or soave - maybe a borolo if you really want to push out the gondola!!! i can't in good conscience recommend any italian beers. you then make yourself comfortable with your wife or husband if you have one (or your partner, if you live in sin) in front of the computer desk. you then navigate to google maps using the web browser on your home computer and drop the little man onto your chosen cyber-holiday destination and you spend the evening clicking around and admiring the beautiful man made and/or natural architecture (a.k.a scenery) and enjoying your lovely foreign cuisine you can pretend the people waving at the camera are friendly locals who are pleased to see you edit: this won't work if your fancied destination is germany where the google car is VERBOTEN, but germany really only seems to be a popular destination for those people who like to go camping crispix fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Feb 19, 2021 |
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I can tell you're just trying to wind people up crispix, everyone knows that borolo wine is from Middlesburogh.
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aaagh i meant barolo lol now i've made a fool of myself online 
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Great idea. Bottle of borolo, chicken parmo and a nice view of the transporter bridge. Friday sorted.
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Endjinneer posted:Great idea. Bottle of borolo, chicken parmo and a nice view of the transporter bridge. Friday sorted. you could even have sex with your robot wife afterwards
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should i have a flag next to my bookcase
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Yes, you put all your dirty ones behind it so the police need a warrant from the queen to look at them.
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aaah now i finally understand flags they are hiding pornography
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crispix posted:should i have a flag next to my bookcase yeah a red flag then you'd have two red flags!!!
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OwlFancier posted:Fair enough. I was thinking it seemed a bit surprising that there wasn't already a way for employees to be treated that way. I think the really key difference is between how the app works and how a radio cab system works. One thing highlighted in the judgement was that Uber would automatically log you out if you were logged into the app but didn't accept jobs, and this was judged as being functionally similar to how an employer can demand you do work. With a radio cab system (or it's more modern derivatives), the dispatcher posts jobs as they come up and the cabbies have complete control over the jobs they choose to take. The cab company also generally doesn't give a poo poo what the customer thinks of their cabbie unless maybe there's some ultra-serious complaint. So there's certainly an argument that a radio cab company's relationship with their drivers is more like a contractor or service relationship since the cab company doesn't bear anything like the usual control over the cabbies as an employee relationship. Whether such a relationship is ethical or not, I'm guessing that had Uber structured its business like an actual contractor model from the start and let the cabbies use the service the same as a radio service, the action would never have been brought.
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Of course, it's Ed Miliband's side.Reveilled posted:Whether such a relationship is ethical or not, I'm guessing that had Uber structured its business like an actual contractor model from the start and let the cabbies use the service the same as a radio service, the action would never have been brought. fuckin disruptors always falling back on the monopoly model rather than actually doing any disrupting
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Guavanaut posted:Yes, you put all your dirty ones behind it so the police need a warrant from the queen to look at them. Flags, but also the BBC logo apparently
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know what i reckon? i reckon keir actually does grasp the basic concept of opposition and actually does have convictions beyond "a social democrat must not be allowed to lead the labour party" i reckon what's happened is he's got addicted to online bingo. think about it. every six to eight weeks or so he tells his lackeys he's definitely going to start being the labour leader this time, and they believe him. they go on newsnight and on twitter and announce again that he's really doing it this time, he's going to set out his vision, labour is under new management and hoo boy you're all going to see what this guy stands for! so he disappears into his office for a week to prepare for the big policy blitz he's told them he's going to really definitely do this time. but when he comes out, he walks right past them all. no eye contact. then he goes to the podium and waffles something about the war and flags or whatever and bonds to make people feel patriotic and they just look at each other aghast like "why does he keep doing this?" and the reason is all the time he's spent in his office with nobody allowed in unless they are bringing him more corned beef sandwiches with the crusts cut off, is because he's been on the computer the whole time slugging it out with geordie_june_52 and sandra_whitstable_61 to get that full house. he really means to put together an effective plan, he really believes he can do it, but every time he walks out of that office he has nothing but a sheet of A4 with a few last minute ideas scawled on and a wallet upwards of one hundred and ten pounds lighter
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forensic_prosecutor_69 will lead the labour party to victory, or bankrupt them by sipping too many sloe gins past 11 and betting the whole coffers on black (because betting on red would be too alienating to the donor class) only for the ball to land on green
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Tesseraction posted:forensic_prosecutor_69 will lead the labour party to victory, or bankrupt them by sipping too many sloe gins past 11 and betting the whole coffers on black (because betting on red would be too alienating to the donor class) only for the ball to land on green Not sure they'd accept betting on black either
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Guavanaut posted:Of course, it's Ed Miliband's side. Yeah. I think their fatal mistake was looking at the Stringfellows case and assuming the courts would be 100% down with their bullshit. The Stringfellows case was a similar action brought against Stringfellows, who, similar to Uber, argued that the dancers in their establishments were not employees, but rather self-employed contractors who formed contracts with customers, meaning that Stringfellows basically had zero obligation to them, as theirs was just a venue in which these contractors could operate. The court actually agreed with this argument, primarily on the basis that the dancers could set their own rates, and that customers could establish long-standing "business" relationships with the dancers that could be pursued outside of the club. So Uber waltzed into the tribunal and advanced the Stringfellows argument, and the court mercilessly dunked on them because the two elements which formed the basis of that judgement were two of the very things which Uber was asserting control over. It's less apparent in today's judgement, but the original 2016 ruling was positively dripping with contempt from the tribunal. Worth a read if you've got time for seeing the gig economy legalistically ripped apart: https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/aslam-and-farrar-v-uber-reasons-20161028.pdf
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I haven't actually looked into it enough to give a legal opinion, but imo their biggest mistake was not accounting for the fact that Lord Leggatt is actually a pretty decent dude for a Law Lord & very much sees himself as a standing up for the little guy type, it's his whole schtick. His dad, Lord Justice Leggatt (never made it quite as far as a full Law Lord) was kinda the same, but Jr has much more of a vendetta about finishing his daddy's battles. Glad to see him in the Supreme Court tbh, even for a basically hereditary judge it's miraculous how far he's come so quickly given how much of a contrarian rear end in a top hat he is, the other judges hate him. (full disclosure, I've met him a few times & done a bunch of research on his more outlandish judgments, on a personal level I actually kinda like him, obviously he's a massive hypocrite being a rich dude but he does believe in what he does & is generally charming & does not give a poo poo about what the other rich dudes have to say about his nonsense) At a cursory glance, I don't reckon this will change much though. Employment status is so sensitive to context that Uber's "those 5 dudes whose contracts have since changed..." argument probably shields them for a good while out. Maybe Leggatt's stopped being quite as far-reaching as he used to be since his last promotion, idk. We need a much more decisive change in law than anything I've seen talked about to do any more than make companies shift around their contracts very slightly to just technically be able to legally deny worker status. I might be able to say more in a few months, this judgment is very much in my wheelhouse, I've got other poo poo going on atm
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Jose posted:Not sure they'd accept betting on black either I mean, Italy and the blackshirts maybe or the Black Hundreds
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In our bio we previously referred to Blue Labour's tenets as "Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationality". We were told that this is actually the imperial ideological doctrine of Russian emperor Nicholas I later adopted by the Black Hundred. We have updated it to the real Blue Labour slogan of "Autocracy, Nationality, and Community". Apologies for any offence caused.
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TreeTrunks posted:I had the Oxford/Az jab and had a sore arm and felt a bit hungover for a day or so. I've heard if you've had covid previously, then you'll have much more pronounced side effects Yeah I heard this too but if I did have COVID before I had 0 symptoms. Ah well. I’m feeling a lot better now, but still like I’ve been casually beaten up. I’m groaning like an old man
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what would be your favourite olden days job for to do? i think i would have liked to have been a milkman because old electric milk floats are just nifty or a tram conductor, i would have been very cheerful to the passengers there and i would have given any young scamps who tried to peek through the modesty flap at a lady's ankles a good clip round the ear!!!!!!!
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crispix posted:what would be your favourite olden days job for to do? Have you just been reading the irrationally irritating movie moments thread too? letthereberock posted:Milk delivery was actually never really a thing. The whole “milk-man” myth was just a cover for super horny dudes banging other men’s wives.
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