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Renzuko
Oct 10, 2012


mekyabetsu posted:

It's kinda weird that like 5 people in Hololive are playing Undertale at the same time. You'd think they'd want to space them out a bit so Undertale fans could catch parts of all of them.

I think atleast part of it is they want to experience it fresh, and youtube algo's would probably feed them clips of like, marine facing omega flowey, or some other poo poo.

edit - ugh gently caress new page.

anyone who wanted to watch meme review AND calli's part 3 for omori are in luck, because calli pushed it to tomorrow morning! https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1363290186931572736

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Ibblebibble
Nov 12, 2013

mekyabetsu posted:

It's kinda weird that like 5 people in Hololive are playing Undertale at the same time. You'd think they'd want to space them out a bit so Undertale fans could catch parts of all of them.

Pretty much happens whenever there's a new game that they just managed to get permissions for. There was a big Papers Please boom when they got permissions for that. Not everyone stuck with it, but that's just how it is.

Hope more people do Obra Dinn next. Mio's done a playthrough but I think it's still hidden.

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone



Why do they need permission to play a game? Does cover need to okay the content of the game to make sure it doesn't break branding?

astr0man
Feb 21, 2007

hollyeo deuroga

Nitrousoxide posted:

Why do they need permission to play a game? Does cover need to okay the content of the game to make sure it doesn't break branding?

because JP copyright laws (fair use doesn't exist) - cover needs explicit approval from a game's publisher for their talent to be allowed to stream it

pezzie
Apr 11, 2003

everytime someone says a seasonal anime is GOAT

Just watch the best anime ever

Nitrousoxide posted:

Why do they need permission to play a game? Does cover need to okay the content of the game to make sure it doesn't break branding?

If you're a streamer that is under a company in Japan (not an independent streamer), you need permission from the IP holders before you can stream otherwise they can gently caress you with copyright strikes. This was a huge issue for Cover back last summer as Capcom did a couple of strikes on Mio's channel, forcing her on a long break while they got it sorted out.

So now they're getting permissions, which explains why sometimes a bunch of Hololivers start streaming a game at the exact same time.

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007
i seem to remember something a few months back where all the hololive undertale stuff got scrubbed for some reason, which strikes me as weird. did toby fox publish through someone, because i thought it was pretty much all him, and i cant imagine him caring very much if people stream his games.

pezzie
Apr 11, 2003

everytime someone says a seasonal anime is GOAT

Just watch the best anime ever

paranoid randroid posted:

i seem to remember something a few months back where all the hololive undertale stuff got scrubbed for some reason, which strikes me as weird. did toby fox publish through someone, because i thought it was pretty much all him, and i cant imagine him caring very much if people stream his games.

The incident I talked about last summer forced Cover to private a shitton of videos, basically any game they didn't have explicit permission from. Toby Fox probably wouldn't have actually done anything, but if they didn't have permission they still hid the videos. I imagine they proactively got his permission recently.

They're slowly (very slowly) restoring the old archives as they reach agreements for streaming.

Carteret
Nov 10, 2012


Cover kinda overreacted and privated the entire archives of most of the talents, and then made them (speculation) go through and manually unprivate/get permissions for it. It took a lot of time, and most is still locked up. Here's a link to the current status of the archives:

https://hololive.jetri.co/#/status

Trihugger
Jun 28, 2008

hello
Probably more of a "better-safe-than-sorry" decision. They didn't exactly have the luxury of time to sort things out with Mio directly threatened to have her channel nuked and pretty much all of them potentially getting hit as well.

Falls Down Stairs
Nov 2, 2008

IT KEEPS HAPPENING

paranoid randroid posted:

i seem to remember something a few months back where all the hololive undertale stuff got scrubbed for some reason, which strikes me as weird. did toby fox publish through someone, because i thought it was pretty much all him, and i cant imagine him caring very much if people stream his games.

other people have given reasons it probably wasn't specifically because Toby Fox did anything in particular. But also the Japanese version IS published through 8-4, who also did the Japanese translation/localization, so there is a company involved when the Japanese version is in question

It's all Toby when it comes to the original PC release but I think the same company also did the porting for the console versions

Kata-Haro
Oct 21, 2010

I wouldn't say it was an overreaction. The Copyright Incident put Mio on 2 strikes basically overnight and took her out of action for month to wait them out.

It super sucks what happened to Subaru but it was also too big of a risk to keep all the other archived content up in case Capcom or Nintendo decided to throw their weight around again.

Zeron
Oct 23, 2010

There's a big difference between individual people streaming games for fun/profit and a corporation that commercializes people streaming your game for profit. Requiring permissions for that kind of use seems fair enough, especially since being a corporation of streamers opens you up to all kinds of liabilities that indie vtubers hopefully never really have to worry about because no one is going to bother suing them.

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone



Ibblebibble
Nov 12, 2013

Interestingly I don't think every single old Subaru VOD is lost in the void, they recently made her old Nier:A playthrough available again now that they got the rights to that.

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.

how dare u

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.
So, there's actually a double dosage of memery today. Pochimaru's doing a JP meme lesson starting right now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LRTX4Fk09o

And, one hour later, comes the Noel/Coco review:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja5iteRSjfg

Smiles
Oct 23, 2012

Brunom1 posted:

So, there's actually a double dosage of memery today. Pochimaru's doing a JP meme lesson starting right now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LRTX4Fk09o

And, one hour later, comes the Noel/Coco review:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja5iteRSjfg

coco's actually in pochi-sensei's chat lol

e: lmao this is gold

Smiles fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Feb 21, 2021

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.



Thanks I hate it.

Shipon
Nov 7, 2005
Pochi and Lenri going over old 2ch ascii memes, good stuff man


astr0man posted:

because JP copyright laws (fair use doesn't exist) - cover needs explicit approval from a game's publisher for their talent to be allowed to stream it

It is kind of interesting that big doujin events with blatant copyright infringement go on and people turn a blind eye to it (as they should) while their copyright enforcement on streams is very heavyhanded compared to English streaming.

Badingading
Sep 2, 2011

Learning so much about ancient 2ch memes today.

Ibblebibble
Nov 12, 2013

Shipon posted:

Pochi and Lenri going over old 2ch ascii memes, good stuff man


It is kind of interesting that big doujin events with blatant copyright infringement go on and people turn a blind eye to it (as they should) while their copyright enforcement on streams is very heavyhanded compared to English streaming.

I believe its mostly for big corporate vtubers like Hololive and Niji. If you're an indie then it's not really an issue.

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Shipon posted:

Pochi and Lenri going over old 2ch ascii memes, good stuff man


It is kind of interesting that big doujin events with blatant copyright infringement go on and people turn a blind eye to it (as they should) while their copyright enforcement on streams is very heavyhanded compared to English streaming.

It's one thing to have some random dude profit from your IP and another one to have a large corporation just add Goku to their stuff.

Trihugger
Jun 28, 2008

hello

Shipon posted:

Pochi and Lenri going over old 2ch ascii memes, good stuff man


It is kind of interesting that big doujin events with blatant copyright infringement go on and people turn a blind eye to it (as they should) while their copyright enforcement on streams is very heavyhanded compared to English streaming.

One of the quirks of Japanese copyright are that companies and people don't auto-lose their copyright if they don't enforce it.

So even though the US has one of the best Fair Use laws in the world, they also force companies to enforce copyright infringements even if the company doesn't want to.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLbs_3exU_s

My man does not hesitate for a second.

Tarezax
Sep 12, 2009

MORT cancels dance: interrupted by MORT

Trihugger posted:

One of the quirks of Japanese copyright are that companies and people don't auto-lose their copyright if they don't enforce it.

So even though the US has one of the best Fair Use laws in the world, they also force companies to enforce copyright infringements even if the company doesn't want to.

You're confusing US trademark law with US copyright law

HMS Beagle
Feb 13, 2009



Waffleman_ posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLbs_3exU_s

My man does not hesitate for a second.

Recalling my own desperate, fumbling attempts to complete a half circle forward.

Trihugger
Jun 28, 2008

hello

Tarezax posted:

You're confusing US trademark law with US copyright law

Oops, time to go learn about copyright. But first, time to watch Coco's meme review. Priorities, after all.

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.
Breaking news! Coco and Noel have just arranged a singing collab to happen sometime this week!

Revolver Bunker
May 12, 2004

「この一撃にかけるっ!」

mekyabetsu posted:

It's kinda weird that like 5 people in Hololive are playing Undertale at the same time. You'd think they'd want to space them out a bit so Undertale fans could catch parts of all of them.

I think one of the biggest reason is that each have their own fanbases so even though there's multiple streams going on fans may be wanting their oshi to play through the game. When everyone was playing through Sakuna I was mainly watching Watame and Mio playing through.

pezzie
Apr 11, 2003

everytime someone says a seasonal anime is GOAT

Just watch the best anime ever

Brunom1 posted:

Breaking news! Coco and Noel have just arranged a singing collab to happen sometime this week!

The one Hololive member Coco wouldn't be afraid of looking bad in front of!

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


Hololive Gamers is dead

https://twitter.com/MeloDi_0925/status/1363047472835092480

Wudz
Aug 19, 2005

*LATEST FAD
Tomoshika is practicing english again. The last story was about a blind date and mistaken identities, and now she doesn't trust that any character is who they say they are, and thinks she's being given trick questions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO-qhzo_-cY

HERE IS SOME MONEY thank you

and she might give rushia a run for her MONEY with regards to screaming
caution: screaming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LlqWhHGLuA&t=4687s

edit- she's been bullied with MONEY superchats for about five five minutes now, this entire thing is gold (money)

Wudz fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Feb 21, 2021

Red Minjo
Oct 20, 2010

Out of the houses, which is the most blue?

The answer might not be be obvious at first.

Gravy Boat 2k

Wudz posted:

Tomoshika is practicing english again. The last story was about a blind date and mistaken identities, and now she doesn't trust that any character is who they say they are, and thinks she's being given trick questions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO-qhzo_-cY

HERE IS SOME MONEY thank you

and she might give rushia a run for her MONEY with regards to screaming
caution: screaming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LlqWhHGLuA&t=4687s

She's yelling "STOP MONEY!" at people now.

Wudz
Aug 19, 2005

*LATEST FAD
oh no she got too bullied with MONEY superchats and broke the stream in half

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


Someone made a Hinotori rhythm game

https://twitter.com/nullrefrepro/status/1363297638171500549

Red Minjo
Oct 20, 2010

Out of the houses, which is the most blue?

The answer might not be be obvious at first.

Gravy Boat 2k

Wudz posted:

oh no she got too bullied with MONEY superchats and broke the stream in half

https://twitter.com/Tomoshika_H/status/1363345640365772805
translation making it sound like she's saying "I was just trying to study English, how did this happen??? I'm not mad at you, so don't worry! Thank you everyone 🦌"
I guess she was worried that people would think she got actually angry when she was yelling about all the SC bullying.

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


That's impressive, even got a little Gura sprite.

Wudz
Aug 19, 2005

*LATEST FAD
the Oriends have returned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4tWosZ5iJY

Red Minjo posted:

I guess she was worried that people would think she got actually angry when she was yelling about all the SC bullying.

https://twitter.com/Tomoshika_H/status/1363350266536370182

"wait, I thought I was saying stop giving me money!!!"

paragon1
Nov 22, 2010

FULL COMMUNISM NOW
Kiara and Nene naturally harmonize really well.

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mekyabetsu
Dec 17, 2018


An official Hololive rhythm game can't be more than a year off at this point, right?

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