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therattle posted:In hindsight, I am getting the sense that what was intended as a joke about how reflexively hostile this thread was to Israel (such that even data from there would be rejected) was perhaps a tad ill-judged. That it was intended as a joke is obvious, that it being funny is predicated on a consistent unwillingness to engage with why people think the things they think and reduce it to mere reflexive hostility is only further evidence that you are bad at posting.
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therattle posted:In hindsight, I am getting the sense that what was intended as a joke about how reflexively hostile this thread was to Israel (such that even data from there would be rejected) was perhaps a tad ill-judged. If you make a joke that nae oval office can tell is a joke the problem isn't with the audience.
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Blasmeister posted:isn't Dodds on the nominal left of the controlling PLP group, meaning any replacement will be invariably worse? Gotta imagine they're just waiting for an excuse if so Under the current leadership the answer to any policy failure is going to be 'get more tory'. Even in the original article, they immediately discount Milliband because he was Corbyn-curious and promote Reeves and Cooper heavily.
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Feb 22, 2021 10:50
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Catzilla posted:I have never seen the footpath network this busy. Country parks and footpaths being busy is surely not a sign people are ignoring the guidelines, but that they're following them to some extent? Because they're among the few places people are allowed to go, in most places. I'm sure people do break the rules when there, but outdoors is far safer than indoors.
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OwlFancier posted:That it was intended as a joke is obvious, that it being funny is predicated on a consistent unwillingness to engage with why people think the things they think and reduce it to mere reflexive hostility is only further evidence that you are bad at posting. To be fair, he immediately conceded that it was 'ill-judged'. We all make bad posts from time to time, but I think piling in on someone who not only instantly apologised, but also has a track record of actually expanding and developing their views based on posting in this thread, is harsh and unconstructive.
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Conversely I would characterise this repeated "why do you all hate israel, is it antisemitism??" schtick as a complete failure to alter their views at all. Which is why it is annoying.
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Feb 22, 2021 10:59
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*nazi Hans Moleman voice* I was attacking Israel because of antisemitism
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Feb 22, 2021 11:05
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You guys just can't take a joke. Any more than you can enjoy a nice falafel. Because it is popular in Israel. And you are antisemites. e: actually in hindsight it was probably ill judged for me to make a joke about the fact that you are all antisemites, I hope that we can put this behind us now
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Feb 22, 2021 11:05
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Falafel is great, but the pittas in the UK are, quite frankly, absolutely awful pieces of cardboard. I miss fluffy pittas.
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The Perfect Element posted:To be fair, he immediately conceded that it was 'ill-judged'. I agree the pile-on is not constructive, but admitting it was "perhaps ill-judged" isn't an apology.
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Miftan posted:Falafel is great, but the pittas in the UK are, quite frankly, absolutely awful pieces of cardboard. I miss fluffy pittas. Absolutely pita-ful
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JoylessJester posted:Under the current leadership the answer to any policy failure is going to be 'get more tory'. Even in the original article, they immediately discount Milliband because he was Corbyn-curious and promote Reeves and Cooper heavily. They're lusting for Yvette Cooper to be leader and have been since she stood in 2015.
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Miftan posted:Falafel is great, but the pittas in the UK are, quite frankly, absolutely awful pieces of cardboard. I miss fluffy pittas. falafel in naan is pretty good. some place i used to get lunch from did naan wraps lined with hummus and filled with salad and pickle and it was wonderful until the day i got a knot of hair strung through the entire wrap and i discovered it when it was halfway down my throat
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Miftan posted:Falafel is great, but the pittas in the UK are, quite frankly, absolutely awful pieces of cardboard. I miss fluffy pittas. I miss Egyptian breakfasts. There's a chain in Egypt called GAD. I always try and go when I'm in town. The fluffy pittas are to die for. I always get omelette as well as all this stuff. And proper Egyptian falafels not the little hard balls from Waitrose  etc that pass as falafels over here. (Ed: this is not a picture of a breakfast I actually had, just a pic off the internet. I have had many similar.) Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 11:22 on Feb 22, 2021 |
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I am trying to work up the gumption to go risk plague for some study greggs
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:They're lusting for Yvette Cooper to be leader and have been since she stood in 2015. I actually dispute this - one of the things about the Labour right is that they are actually a pretty fractious bunch, and most importantly *not actually that popular within the party*. This is why Starmer had to run as a pretend leftist to win - the actual open candidate of the right, Jess Phillips, melted down almost instantly. Turns out the right got what they wanted in the end anyway but only because Keith hoodwinked a bunch of people. The Labour right have be advantage of having a strong powerbase in he party via HQ staffers and councillors, and now several top positions like General Secretary. The problem however I that the wider membership and the public *loving hate them* which is why they go down like a wet fart whenever they put themselve publicly forward. The only way they can get ahead is by transparently lying about what they're about, which someone like Yvette Cooper, as a committed Brownite, would never do I think. I think Rachel Reeves Vs Lisa Nandy is the upcoming leadership struggle within the party (with someone from the left opposing them) with Rachel Reeves continuing down the Miliband/Starmer style low risk path and Nandy going more full bore Blue Labour, more economically radical but also more openly racist.
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The Perfect Element posted:To be fair, he immediately conceded that it was 'ill-judged'. Doing exactly the same schtick that he rolled in here with, but following it up with "just joking" is neither evidence of development nor expansion. A few people trashing a lovely post is not a pile-on, it's how we get people to make fewer lovely posts. I agree that calls for a thread ban are ridiculous given that Breath Ray and Vitamin P are still allowed to post here for some reason. e: and as has been pointed out, "immediately apologised" is not what happened Tarnop fucked around with this message at 11:34 on Feb 22, 2021 |
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Miftan posted:Falafel is great, but the pittas in the UK are, quite frankly, absolutely awful pieces of cardboard. I miss fluffy pittas. Are pitas a thing one can make from scratch? I've been making bagels every week, because the only thing you can buy here is, as Michael Rosen puts it, "rolls with holes"
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Bobstar posted:Are pitas a thing one can make from scratch? I've been making bagels every week, because the only thing you can buy here is, as Michael Rosen puts it, "rolls with holes" Yup sure are. Definitely a knack to it, basically a standard dough rolled very thin and cooked on a plate/pan or in the oven at high heat which forms a pocket of steam and giving them the "puffed" appearance.
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MikeCrotch posted:one of the things about the Labour right is that they are actually a pretty fractious bunch Unfortunately that's not a particularly sustainable position for a leader. e: Bobstar posted:I've been making bagels every week, because the only thing you can buy here is, as Michael Rosen puts it, "rolls with holes" Borrovan fucked around with this message at 11:41 on Feb 22, 2021 |
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Lmao https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1363781014196281345?s=19
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MikeCrotch posted:I actually dispute this - one of the things about the Labour right is that they are actually a pretty fractious bunch, and most importantly *not actually that popular within the party*. This is why Starmer had to run as a pretend leftist to win - the actual open candidate of the right, Jess Phillips, melted down almost instantly. Turns out the right got what they wanted in the end anyway but only because Keith hoodwinked a bunch of people. Reeves has never been a stranger to open bigotry. Remember when she said Labour shouldn't and didn't represent people on benefits?
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Kieth: [does everything the right claims to like] Right: [says he didn't] Kieth: "What do you mean they're lying? That's illegal, people can't do that!"
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tories will absolutely gain seats in 2024 lmao
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Don't worry guys, the locals are coming up, if they lose out on those you know they'll see the error of their ways. (for this purpose, the error of their ways is that they're not nationalisming hard enough)
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Borrovan posted:Don't worry guys, the locals are coming up, if they lose out on those you know they'll see the error of their ways. https://twitter.com/randygdub/status/796229362643152896
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Borrovan posted:(for this purpose, the error of their ways is that they're not nationalisming hard enough)
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if Reeves becomes leader and becomes the Starmer Continuity Melt, then Labour will lose seats in 2024 just as they would have lost them under Kieth if Nandy becomes leader and immediately goes full bore Blue Labour, then they actually stand a chance at winning in 2024, and that's loving horrifying it's lose/lose either way e: also, if Reeves wins, the Tory press will 100% use her Nancy Astor praise from a couple of years ago as more evidence that Labour is institutionally antisemitic Venomous fucked around with this message at 12:26 on Feb 22, 2021 |
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I dont know about that, if you want tories you'd just vote tory.
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This is what Kieth does at the weekend https://twitter.com/theemptypage_/status/1363542423385833474?s=19
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OwlFancier posted:I dont know about that, if you want tories you'd just vote tory. Blue Labour ≠ Tory tho, because even though the Tories are just as socially fascist, they're still institutionally neoliberal of course, if Nandy won, Boris could easily outflank Labour from the economic left, as we've acknowledged he's stealing the popular stuff from Corbyn's manifesto, so there's no doubt he'd undermine Nandy's economic agenda in that scenario basically, I'm saying that you're entirely right and you should say it
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Bloodly posted:Following this through, what's the hidden 4th directive? 4. Have puffy face like a blowfish
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MikeCrotch posted:I actually dispute this - one of the things about the Labour right is that they are actually a pretty fractious bunch, and most importantly *not actually that popular within the party*. This is why Starmer had to run as a pretend leftist to win - the actual open candidate of the right, Jess Phillips, melted down almost instantly. Turns out the right got what they wanted in the end anyway but only because Keith hoodwinked a bunch of people. TBF the labour left are also loathed by the public
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Come the gently caress on https://twitter.com/kelly_welles/status/1363771292722360322?s=09
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Convex posted:4. Have puffy face like a blowfish Bad me - instantly thought of posting image of Gove looking like a blowfish but then remembered it's bad to face-shame.
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Bloodly posted:Following this through, what's the hidden 4th directive?
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Re. Blue Labour the original premise was basically "social democracy, but for white people". This made a lot more sense when David Cameron's brand of liberal pro-business conservativism was in power, its a harder sell when Boris, Rishi and Priti are throwing cash around and openly talking about locking up brown people. Should be pointed out that the fundamental problem any Starmer/Dodds/Reeves style of Labour party is that the 2 most popular positions among both Labour voters in ex-industrial towns and cities are: - Taxing the rich - Radical economic change The fact that Starmer doesn't want to do either should tell you how good his strategy is.
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