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peanut- posted:I really struggle to see Boris as austerity PM. There will be spending, it will just be spending on absolutely stupid useless poo poo. 22nd February 1371: King David II dies, & his nephew came to the throne as Robert II. Robert II was the first member of the Stuart dynasty to be King of Scotland. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Feb 22, 2021 |
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Just a question. Even if the over 65's get vaccinated, if Covid is let run rampant with the rest of the British population, what is to stop the virus from just mutating into a newer and more deadly Tory Variant of Covid?
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Feb 22, 2021 22:00
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Nothing.
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Feb 22, 2021 22:02
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forkboy84 posted:Yeah, but while he'll spend on pointless poo poo, we'll see continuing cuts to the services people use. It'll be austerity in effect even if technically they are spunking money up the wall like that old Jam sketch about The Gush. And it will be the ultimate shield. "I can't live on this decreasing universal credit" "Ahem, I think you'll find government spending has gone up  "
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Feb 22, 2021 22:04
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I'm still holding out for the 'dead begin to rise from their graves' twist, which increases the Conservative poll position by +5 points.
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Feb 22, 2021 22:04
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The Question IRL posted:Just a question. Even if the over 65's get vaccinated, if Covid is let run rampant with the rest of the British population, what is to stop the virus from just mutating into a newer and more deadly Tory Variant of Covid? Boris, Michael Gove & Matt Hancock.
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Feb 22, 2021 22:08
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Sadly (and despite the IRA's best efforts), Thatcher did not explode after the Falklands
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Feb 22, 2021 22:08
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I got extremely bummed about the giant shrug that Texas has done in response to the ice storm and started to worry: why wouldn't the Tories subject us to Austerity 2 as payment/punishment for all those lovely free vaccines? There are apparently no consequences for this poo poo. Hopefully it won't be quite that bad, but I do think that this is the last lockdown we'll get. As others have said, if we get another peak, the vaccines will be used as proof that the government "did all they could"
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Feb 22, 2021 22:15
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been a while since we checked in with our good friend, That Covid Graph 
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Feb 22, 2021 22:15
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Feels loving cynical that they're not adjusting those deaths per capita. Oh look how much better we're doing now we're not in the stupid nasty EU.
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Feb 22, 2021 22:27
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Feels loving cynical that they're not adjusting those deaths per capita. Oh look how much better we're doing now we're not in the stupid nasty EU. I mean to anybody with rudimentary knowledge of population numbers that's still atrocious. The UK with 65m population accounting for about a third of the deaths of the EU, 500m population, at peak.
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Feb 22, 2021 22:35
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Failed Imagineer posted:Sadly (and despite the IRA's best efforts), Thatcher did not explode after the Falklands tebbit's cum face
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Feb 22, 2021 22:36
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CancerCakes posted:Has this ever been tested in recent history? Like a mass exodus caused by societal upheaval? Considering how a right wing government normally reacts to a massive influx of immigrants there is no reason to believe that shared cultural heritage will ensure good treatment. You mean like with Ethiopian Jewish communities who suffer racism in Israel and recent blockages to their immigration? https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/12/world/israel-ethiopia-jews-immigration.html Im sure theres a perfectly reasonable non racist reason why a racist ethnostate would throw a bunch of caveats around its acceptance of their citizenship. As for why its always a hot topic unlike say Saudi or China, most of the posters in the thread are from the UK, which had a direct imperialist role in the region immediately prior to the states creation. Now that its a fallen power it uses what soft power it has to bootlick the US who give vast amounts of military “aid” to Israel (and Saudi), and also mainly used their permanent seat on the UN security council to veto criticism of the actions of apartheid South Africa and Israel. Whilst having pretty much no influence on or recent responsibility for the current states of Saudi or China.
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Feb 22, 2021 22:40
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Feels loving cynical that they're not adjusting those deaths per capita. Oh look how much better we're doing now we're not in the stupid nasty EU. The FT graph does do that. It presents multiple options and settings, including deaths per capita, and the default seems slightly random - I rarely get the same selection of countries when I visit the page.
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Feb 22, 2021 22:43
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Well that actually looks pretty good for the UK as a percentage of the... ...oh.
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Feb 22, 2021 22:52
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Darth Walrus posted:It genuinely wasn't. The Nazis were openly and explicitly pro-capitalist from day one, and the Strasserites (who honestly weren't that socialist either) were always on the fringe. Mass privatisation, persecution of trade unions, and cuts to welfare were always the order of the day. Hitler's main sales pitch to businesses after becoming chancellor was that democracy was incompatible with capitalism, and therefore should be done away with. No, they really weren't explicit about that to the general public in 1933. I didn't mean they MEANT it about socialism, obviously, but it was how they attracted working class votes and remained a figleaf of Nazism until 1939. Again, explicitly capitalist gently caress the working class regimes don't spend money on stuff like subsidising holidays and cars for (the right kind of) workers. Meanwhile one of the reasons for the Night of the Long Knives was the SA were a bit too enthusiastic about actually breaking up big business since they actually believed the party propaganda.
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Feb 22, 2021 22:55
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Feb 22, 2021 23:06
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V. Illych L. posted:wrong thread
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Feb 22, 2021 23:25
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Feels loving cynical that they're not adjusting those deaths per capita. Oh look how much better we're doing now we're not in the stupid nasty EU. I checked and our deaths per capita actually looks pretFUCK 
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Feb 22, 2021 23:28
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I checked and our deaths per capita actually looks pretFUCK The Christmas Truce with Covid is possibly the stupidest thing a British prime minister has ever inflicted on their own population. It's more than a little perverse than we're just so loving desperate for it to be over that if Johnson can preside over even a middling return to normality off of the back of the vaccine programme he's going to be hailed like a victorious war prime minister for 'bringing us through it'
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Boris deliberately got infected with covid so he could use his antibodies to personally vaccinate everyone in the country, thank u boris (votes Tory for ever)
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multijoe posted:The Christmas Truce with Covid is possibly the stupidest thing a British prime minister has ever inflicted on their own population. It's more than a little perverse than we're just so loving desperate for it to be over that if Johnson can preside over even a middling return to normality off of the back of the vaccine programme he's going to be hailed like a victorious war prime minister for 'bringing us through it' Even if you take the *extremely* charitable view that a continuation of the autumn lockdown would only have held deaths steady rather than continuing to bring them down, that's about 20,000 deaths by my reckoning caused because Johnson wanted to save Christmas (and Sunak wanted to prop up the retail sector). Half a blitz just for some headlines. e: Turns out that's a pretty good guesstimate. Taking 500 deaths/day as the baseline and plugging it into the data from https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths gives a number of 21,717 excess deaths. Even more damning, if you instead assume deaths would instead have halved every 14 days as they did after both the spring and winter peaks, that's 46,287 deaths. goddamnedtwisto fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Feb 23, 2021 |
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I checked and our deaths per capita actually looks pretFUCK Boxing Day bump.
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Feb 23, 2021 01:59
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Feels loving cynical that they're not adjusting those deaths per capita. Oh look how much better we're doing now we're not in the stupid nasty EU. Those charts are from a interactive chart which defaults to deaths per 100k (but allows the option of showing the total figures unadjusted), so it doesn't seem to be the FT's choice
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Feb 23, 2021 02:02
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I think about how we're a bunch of idiots finding and posting a ton of info about how badly covid is being handled in our own free time with zero resources, and yet the journalists and opposition politicians who's job it is to call the government to account are not saying any of it. Like I get that pre about 2017, none of this was stuff that a normal brained person would or probably should know. But with the current shitshow of Brexit, the Covid response, government corruption, the climate crisis and the rise of fascism, the only thing that makes sense is that Starmer is either managed oposition or has a weird public humiliation kink. It's loving infuriating when the Labour leader's first question at PMQs every loving week should be "How can you live with yourself, you murderous loving toad?"
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Feb 23, 2021 02:25
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Bobby Deluxe posted:It's loving infuriating when the Labour leader's first question at PMQs every loving week should be "How can you live with yourself, you murderous loving toad?" On top of a pile of money, with many journalists' wives
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Feb 23, 2021 03:14
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https://twitter.com/jxeker/status/1363943381395718148?s=20
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Bobby Deluxe posted:
It's like that Times article I posted where the journalist raises the issue that it's kinda the point of the Opposition to want to throw the government out and replace them and Starmer always gives the impression that he doesn't particularly want to do that. I've talked before about his bureaucratic instincts - he treats the Tory government not as an enemy to be defeated but as a rather irritating department that his own department nonetheless has to work with as best as possible, for the greater good of the company. For all that we dislike Blair, if this crisis had happened in 1996, he'd have built a popular narrative of Tory incompetence, cronyism and failure and lashed the government mercilessly with it and he'd have been right to do so.
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Pistol_Pete posted:It's like that Times article I posted where the journalist raises the issue that it's kinda the point of the Opposition to want to throw the government out and replace them and Starmer always gives the impression that he doesn't particularly want to do that. I've talked before about his bureaucratic instincts - he treats the Tory government not as an enemy to be defeated but as a rather irritating department that his own department nonetheless has to work with as best as possible, for the greater good of the company. For all that we dislike Blair, if this crisis had happened in 1996, he'd have built a popular narrative of Tory incompetence, cronyism and failure and lashed the government mercilessly with it and he'd have been right to do so. My favourite part of the article was the middle bit which justified why journalists haven't done it either.
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Feb 23, 2021 07:57
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Starmer and the rest of the Labour right seem to have the attitude of "the system is absolutely fine as it stands, we just want a turn running it." All the cronyism and corruption is a feature, not a bug, and they feel they deserve to get their beaks wet too.
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Feb 23, 2021 08:38
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https://twitter.com/AyoCaesar/status/1363904704531562501
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Feb 23, 2021 08:41
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same. I really miss nightclubs and drunkenly dancing to daft punk (RIP) with my housemates with the living room lights off just isn't the same.
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Feb 23, 2021 09:06
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Guess it's going to mostly depend on how the schools going back goes. No, don't look at what happened to cases previously when schools returned why would you do that!?
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Feb 23, 2021 09:13
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It's difficult not to be excited about seeing my family again, or having a pint in a pub garden. The moral conflict is terrible.
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Feb 23, 2021 09:29
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You'll probably be vaccinated by grand reopening day, or very soon after and most of the adult population should be as well. Things definitely still could go wrong, but they don't definitely have to, especially if the teachers can force a phased reopening which currently seems to be the biggest area of concern
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Feb 23, 2021 09:37
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There is a three week delay before the vaccine is really effective and even the most optimistic forecasts for getting everyone eligible their first dose are the end of July. Combine it with a surge in cases from school re-opening and everyone ignoring the social distancing rules again as it gets warmer/the "lockdown's over" message the gov is now pushing percolates and youre looking at maybe thirty thousand extra, completely unecessary deaths by the end of August just so Boris can prance around and make a big deal of re-opening.
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Feb 23, 2021 09:48
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Saros posted:There is a three week delay before the vaccine is really effective and even the most optimistic forecasts for getting everyone eligible their first dose are the end of July. Combine it with a surge in cases from school re-opening and everyone ignoring the social distancing rules again as it gets warmer/the "lockdown's over" message the gov is now pushing percolates and youre looking at maybe thirty thousand extra, completely unecessary deaths by the end of August just so Boris can prance around and make a big deal of re-opening. The big hope is that deaths continue to fall the way they have been though - the vast majority of people who would die if they caught it will have had their first dose very soon. Sure cases will skyrocket but as long as the scary number is down people will look the other way if it means going back to "normal".
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I've mentioned it before, but watching Piers Morgan produce trainwreck after trainwreck of interviews with Tory ministers (especially Matt Hancock) by turning his belligerent arrogance against them is just a bit surreal. It's exasperated when it doesn't seem to matter at all unless it gets continually pushed in a red top rag. Like i think Hancock just pretty much stated that it's absolutely fine for politicians to break the law if they need to. Has it basically come down to this country needing a 'popular character' asking these questions instead? Maybe if Michael McIntyre or Ant and Dec were grilling politicians we'd see some societal uproar.
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Saros posted:There is a three week delay before the vaccine is really effective and even the most optimistic forecasts for getting everyone eligible their first dose are the end of July. Combine it with a surge in cases from school re-opening and everyone ignoring the social distancing rules again as it gets warmer/the "lockdown's over" message the gov is now pushing percolates and youre looking at maybe thirty thousand extra, completely unecessary deaths by the end of August just so Boris can prance around and make a big deal of re-opening. I think (well hope) it'll take longer than that to ramp back up. The lockdown easing will be slower than it was in summer and winter 2020, the proportion of vaccinated people will be higher and hopefully always increasing, and of course summer will do its thing too. I'd be surprised if we were worse off than we were in August last year (daily deaths in the tens, they didn't ramp up to triple figures until October), and I suspect we'll have several zero-death days or even weeks during the school summer holidays that will be all that's needed for everyone to say that it's all over. However... this also means that when the inevitable vaccine-evading variant appears we're going to be much, much more resistant to taking the necessary measures to suppress it, and it'll hit just as flu season starts up.
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