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Considering we've had a dog, bear, and cat as party members I wonder what 6 will go next as a mascot character.
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Feb 23, 2021 06:21
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bobjr posted:Considering we've had a dog, bear, and cat as party members I wonder what 6 will go next as a mascot character. Fish.
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Feb 23, 2021 06:23
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Bird IMO. And like in Persona 5, everyone will constantly fail to use that party members inherent capabilities to their fullest extent.
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Feb 23, 2021 06:24
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Teddie ate five popsicles though. That's got to count for something. As for Mona, his good point are Cat Bus and two things from the third semester of Royal the helicopter and the dialogue options you get for his stupid sexy Morgana form.
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Feb 23, 2021 06:26
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I think an eagle would be cool as a navigator type character who just dive bombs an enemy or just flies by to cast a buff randomly.
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Feb 23, 2021 06:26
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I think, from looking at some Strikers information, I guess I've been "spoiled" on something that DOESN'T happen in Royal. (Lategame P5 Spoilers) Namely, no redemption arc for Akechi where he survives? If he did, he'd be a playable character in Strikers. Though I guess there could be any number of ways where he survives Royal but doesn't show up in Strikers. Maybe he's bedridden like Shinjiro if you save him in P3P. I like Akechi a lot, and while I don't think he NEEDS to be redeemed or survive, I was interested in seeing how Royal could pull it off. I think Royal already retconned the subway psychotic breakdown so no one died right? I thought maybe they were going to retcon things so that Akechi never ACTUALLY killed anyone, which I think would get pretty complicated. Maybe REALLY play up the fact that Shido was the real mastermind behind them, I don't know. But I should just keep playing and see for myself.
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Feb 23, 2021 06:28
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I was more referring to the fact that the party basically never uses Morgana as a way to easily gather intelligence in the real world despite the fact that he's a cat and can go lots of places and be unassuming and people will keep talking even if he's around. He could have single handedly identified and located Kaneshiro in an afternoon if that had occurred to anyone.
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Feb 23, 2021 06:28
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:I think, from looking at some Strikers information, I guess I've been "spoiled" on something that DOESN'T happen in Royal. (Lategame P5 Spoilers) Namely, no redemption arc for Akechi where he survives? If he did, he'd be a playable character in Strikers. Though I guess there could be any number of ways where he survives Royal but doesn't show up in Strikers. Maybe he's bedridden like Shinjiro if you save him in P3P. I like Akechi a lot, and while I don't think he NEEDS to be redeemed or survive, I was interested in seeing how Royal could pull it off. I think Royal already retconned the subway psychotic breakdown so no one died right? I thought maybe they were going to retcon things so that Akechi never ACTUALLY killed anyone, which I think would get pretty complicated. Maybe REALLY play up the fact that Shido was the real mastermind behind them, I don't know. But I should just keep playing and see for myself. it's complicated. akechi's survival is ambiguous (for both the original story and the new semester - again, complicated), but the additional plot emphasizes that yes, he did kill people, and he's completely unrepentant about it. p5r akechi spends half his time laughing in the face of anyone thinking he wants or needs a redemption arc at all, and the other half getting really, really into the opportunity to murder poo poo without the Pleasant Boy facade
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Feb 23, 2021 06:38
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morgana's tolerable but his spat with ryuji makes them both look like assholes and the lady ann stuff has got to stop teddie is the embodiment of hell. to stand in the presence of teddie's true form would render you blind, deaf, mute and insane. teddie must be destroyed at all costs. koromaru is the best boy yes he is.
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Feb 23, 2021 06:45
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Got into this series with Golden last month. Played it a couple times through and absolutely loved it. Just finished my first run of Royal and, my word, the sheer amount of style in that game is incredible. I like the story in 4 better overall, as well as the more light-hearted tone, but 5 beats it out in combat gameplay. My favorite confidant is probably Death from 4.Fojar38 posted:I was more referring to the fact that the party basically never uses Morgana as a way to easily gather intelligence in the real world despite the fact that he's a cat and can go lots of places and be unassuming and people will keep talking even if he's around. He could have single handedly identified and located Kaneshiro in an afternoon if that had occurred to anyone. But then he wouldn’t be able to comment on all of your text messages and where you were allowed to travel. Also, how is Ann struggling at all in school? She sits right in front of you and Morgana, who narrates all the test questions/answers.
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Feb 23, 2021 06:47
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:I think, from looking at some Strikers information, I guess I've been "spoiled" on something that DOESN'T happen in Royal. (Lategame P5 Spoilers) Namely, no redemption arc for Akechi where he survives? If he did, he'd be a playable character in Strikers. Though I guess there could be any number of ways where he survives Royal but doesn't show up in Strikers. Maybe he's bedridden like Shinjiro if you save him in P3P. I like Akechi a lot, and while I don't think he NEEDS to be redeemed or survive, I was interested in seeing how Royal could pull it off. I think Royal already retconned the subway psychotic breakdown so no one died right? I thought maybe they were going to retcon things so that Akechi never ACTUALLY killed anyone, which I think would get pretty complicated. Maybe REALLY play up the fact that Shido was the real mastermind behind them, I don't know. But I should just keep playing and see for myself. Spoiler-free answer, the Strikers story is based on the base game plot, not Royal. So anything exclusive to Royal won't be mentioned. As for Akechi, well, you're halfway right. There is no redemption arc. This is a good thing.
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Feb 23, 2021 07:07
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Ostentatious posted:Morgana radiates intense creepy simp energy reminder that they are hashino's favorite characters in those games, lmao. But yeah, he does. Anecdotal but I've found men who don't like him find him annoying, and women who don't like him are like "ah, I've had this guy follow me around at night before" 
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Feb 23, 2021 07:31
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I'm glad Hashino is leaving Morgana is uncomfortable, the insistence on being human combined with infatuation makes it a lot less cute and lot more, just, ugh especially since Ann's intro scenario is about how a different creep is awful and objectifying and exploitative, but it's okay when the cat (that insists it isn't a cat, is fully sapient, and is not expressing reciprocated interest) does it tbh this is a big issue with how the game presents Ann in general; the game wants you to be mad on her behalf for her being sexually objectified and then it sticks her in a leather catsuit and focuses on her butt in combat animations
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Feb 23, 2021 07:39
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If Final Fantasy is gonna do remakes, so can Persona. Give me an updated Persona 3.
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Feb 23, 2021 07:41
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I have a bigger problem with Yusuke's introduction than Morgana's crush. Yusuke turns out fine afterwards but that subplot right after Kamoshida is... really not great.Jen X posted:tbh this is a big issue with how the game presents Ann in general; the game wants you to be mad on her behalf for her being sexually objectified and then it sticks her in a leather catsuit and focuses on her butt in combat animations I feel like the game doesn't mind Ann being played up for sex appeal, she's clearly designed to be confident in her looks and balances it out with her terrible acting. The Kamoshida arc played more on him being an abuser of power especially over minors, and added in the sexual abuse to heighten the stakes. I'm still holding out hopes for (P5S spoilers) bi Ryuji since he doesn't seem to be bothered that much if you complement his abs.
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Feb 23, 2021 07:54
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ApplesandOranges posted:I have a bigger problem with Yusuke's introduction than Morgana's crush. Yusuke turns out fine afterwards but that subplot right after Kamoshida is... really not great they're both bad
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Feb 23, 2021 08:17
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we should just go back to having a rich kid or a butterfly being the obligatory exposition bot
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Feb 23, 2021 08:19
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mastajake posted:Got into this series with Golden last month. Played it a couple times through and absolutely loved it. Just finished my first run of Royal and, my word, the sheer amount of style in that game is incredible. I like the story in 4 better overall, as well as the more light-hearted tone, but 5 beats it out in combat gameplay. My favorite confidant is probably Death from 4. IMO 4 has much better non-party social links than 5. One other thing that I didn't really notice much at first is that P5 is notably scarce when it comes to non-party-member school s-links. I think the only one is Mishima. Ostentatious posted:Still very relatable I mean I’m extremely neurotic as well, hard to believe Golden came out when I was in high school Yeah it came out right after I graduated from college and the time gap feels strange; I imagine it must be even weirder for people who were teenagers when it came out and are now like 30.
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Feb 23, 2021 08:45
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Yeah, it's just Mishima because P5's setting is much more bustling compared to Inaba or Port Island. It's also a theme of 'crappy adults', so you get to mingle with a lot more of them. P4 and P5 both have very good links, but I feel that P5 has fewer duds (I think just Ohya, maybe Chihaya).
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Feb 23, 2021 08:49
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I forget what Morganas deal was, Wasn't Morgana never human in the first place? A shadow like teddy?
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Feb 23, 2021 08:55
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Ostentatious posted:Honestly I preferred the characters in p4 to p5 The disappointing thing about Yosuke is that there's kind of a basis for a good character there. Yosuke is generally the character who is the most focused on actually trying to "solve the cases" (until Naoto comes along the rest of your party are not particularly productive contributors to the non-fighting aspects of the plot), and the whole angle of his shadow* was fairly compelling (he cares about that girl being murdered but also secretly has the more selfish motive of just wanting to do something interesting). * One gripe about P4 is that party member character depth is pretty much solely limited to when their shadow shows up before they actually join the team. Beyond that there's not really much going on with them and most don't have particularly interesting social links.
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Feb 23, 2021 09:49
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Yosuke and Ryuji both suffer a lot from 'someone has to be the idiot so the plot can progress'. Ryuji largely grows from it but he frustrates me in the main story for different reasons. He's very cool outside of it though and Max Mittleman is the runaway star in the already talented cast. I actually kind of find it funny that the P4 cast is the most flanderized because it matches up to small town kids just not having very much to do.
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Feb 23, 2021 09:55
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Ytlaya posted:The disappointing thing about Yosuke is that there's kind of a basis for a good character there. Yosuke is generally the character who is the most focused on actually trying to "solve the cases" (until Naoto comes along the rest of your party are not particularly productive contributors to the non-fighting aspects of the plot), and the whole angle of his shadow* was fairly compelling (he cares about that girl being murdered but also secretly has the more selfish motive of just wanting to do something interesting). I mean this is a huge problem since they made party characters s links. No development can happen after they join because what if the pc romanced them? All development occurs as the party. While 4 is my favorite, this is something that I think 3 did unambiguously better, especially p3p, where the characters develop in the main story but the s links let you see different sides of them. since p3p theyve had trouble with whether to make the characters story beats more important or s-link, and its led to some pretty mixed results. I haven't played p5 since it came out, but I remember being disapointed in pretty much all the party's s-links.
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Feb 23, 2021 10:03
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P5's party s-links are mixed. Ann's and Makoto's are generally derided, Haru's is largely just there (aside from a pretty brutal rejection at rank 9 if you don't romance her), Ryuji's is good but suffers from 'Story and S.Link Ryuji differences'. Yusuke's is good though and Futaba's is fantastic and possibly my favourite link in P5.
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Feb 23, 2021 10:07
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:morgana's tolerable but his spat with ryuji makes them both look like assholes and the lady ann stuff has got to stop The "Lady Ann" thing is at least a localization quirk. In Japanese he calls her Ann-dono, which if you're being lazy does come out to "Lady Ann" but I feel like it's nowhere near as strong as the English implies. As far as the Japanese language goes, you usually have to add an honorific to a person's name (-san, etc.) anyway and all Morgana in Japanese has done is just elevate that a little. Whereas in English adding "Lady" is some severe neckbearding. Ytlaya posted:The disappointing thing about Yosuke is that there's kind of a basis for a good character there. You can actually make a similar argument for Yosuke too. In Japanese he's supposed to evoke a manzai type relationship with the MC so making little jabs here and there makes sense and you get the idea that it's just a bit and he's a goofy idiot. And on the flipside, that's what makes the sincere moments at the riverside work because he's dropping the act and voicing his honest feelings. But that doesn't really work/exist in English, so Yosuke's character comes off as a little more standoffish. (Just for qualification, translation is my job and I understand that it's not an easy process especially on something of the scale of a 100-hour RPG. I'm not trying to downplay their efforts, I'm just pointing out areas where you can make an argument for certain nuances getting lost in translation.)
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Feb 23, 2021 10:15
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Hmm, I actually think the 'Lady' bit helps him seem less creepy (or at least, not as creepy as he could be). Like, it implies some sense of "she's a very refined person that I respect", and his whole shtick of trying to be a gentleman thief. There's a slight difference between something like 'Ann, you're so amazing' and 'Lady Ann, you're so amazing'. But that's a personal take. I think it would go over easier if Ann actually addressed it in any capacity, but she mostly ignores it and lets Morgana do his thing, in a kinda 'my kid cousin has a crush, that's cute but nothing worth worrying about' way.
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Feb 23, 2021 10:23
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tithin posted:I forget what Morganas deal was, Wasn't Morgana never human in the first place? A shadow like teddy? ApplesandOranges posted:But that's a personal take. I think it would go over easier if Ann actually addressed it in any capacity, but she mostly ignores it and lets Morgana do his thing, in a kinda 'my kid cousin has a crush, that's cute but nothing worth worrying about' way.
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Feb 23, 2021 10:56
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I guess I'm weird because I like teddy but dont like morgana. I mean I don't really love either of them but morgana I really cant stand. bad character, rude to a lot of the other characters in the party. Teddy is annoying too, but once you get a new navigator he's fine. especially the scene where he comes out of his suit I think is the funniest thing in the persona series. Morgana's design just looks bad imo. Also, the way he pronounces ann makes me crazy. I know the bad pronunciations are because of atlus so not blaming the va, but it''s pretty grating. It'd be great if there was just no mascot in 6, I don't really think they're necessary.
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Feb 23, 2021 11:01
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Teddie has annoying squeaky feet but Morgana makes me go to bed I do genuinely think Morgana's *constant* presence is a bit much and he'd be more tolerable without it. I know they wanted to escape the MC being there thinking "I should go to bed..." like in P4 or P5 before the castle, but what we got was so much more irritating
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Feb 23, 2021 11:16
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Yeah Teddie wasn't really annoying in P4G (though he was hands down the worst character in PQ), but Morgana was the face of the game's annoying "you're arbitrarily tired and can't do your night Confidants, go to bed" and that more than anything annoyed me about him.
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Feb 23, 2021 11:22
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Japanese Morgana > English Morgana > English Teddie > Japanese Teddie. That's my hot take. Edit: We will never again have an animal party member as pure and wonderful as Koromaru.
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Feb 23, 2021 11:45
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Hot take: Koromaru was just boring in P3. Like aside from his introduction I don't remember a single interaction with him.
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Feb 23, 2021 11:50
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Commander Keene posted:Hot take: Koromaru was just boring in P3. Like aside from his introduction I don't remember a single interaction with him. 
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Feb 23, 2021 11:51
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Teddie's personality quirks start making more sense when you consider he's probably emulating Yosuke on how a man would behave in the outside world.
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Feb 23, 2021 12:06
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Ytlaya posted:One other thing that I didn't really notice much at first is that P5 is notably scarce when it comes to non-party-member school s-links. I think the only one is Mishima. I’m pretty sure this was intentional since Joker’s rep and status as a convict preceded him and ruined his chances of having a quiet school life where he could just fit in and not be ostracized.
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Feb 23, 2021 12:20
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PMush Perfect posted:Japanese Morgana > English Morgana > English Teddie > Japanese Teddie. That's my hot take. hosed up not to have PS2 Teddie at the top of your tier list, OP.
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Feb 23, 2021 13:05
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lunar detritus posted:Just in case, there's another dungeon after Hollow Forest (it's incredibly easy to miss it though) Yup, nearly missed it (would have missed it entirely if I hadn't made an extra save and decided to double-check everything). Shockingly straightforward dungeon for being the very last one, considering the weird gimmicks Magatsu Inaba and Hollow Forest had. Saved at the top floor - now to finish the final boss fight and enjoy the aftermath.
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Feb 23, 2021 13:09
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Teddie is more consistently obnoxious in a way that makes him comes across as an annoying but relatively innocent kid, picking up the slang of his older friends without fully understanding them (and that's how the Investigation Team treats him, pretty much). Morgana doesn't go as hard in that direction but it's all the more jarring when he does, because he's a slightly more mature and wordly character so you'd think he should know better.
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Feb 23, 2021 14:14
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The fox in P4 should have been a party member and walked the path Koromaru laid.
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Ytlaya posted:One other thing that I didn't really notice much at first is that P5 is notably scarce when it comes to non-party-member school s-links. I think the only one is Mishima. This is very much intentional in P5. Everyone at Shujin thinks Joker is some dangerous delinquent and wants nothing to do with him, so nobody invites you to join any clubs or anything like that. The only confidants your age are either party members, outcasts who are even less cool (Mishima), or go to a different school (Hifumi).
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