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signalnoise
Mar 7, 2008

i was told my old av was distracting

Gaius Marius posted:

You're wife is objectively wrong

how dare you treat his wife as an objectively

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Bronze Fonz
Feb 14, 2019




"Vinyl just sounds warmer."

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

explaining to my wife why i bought this giant outdated cube with two comparison pictures of cloud's face

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

my wife is always right

signalnoise
Mar 7, 2008

i was told my old av was distracting

Shibawanko posted:

my wife is always right

roundabout way to say you're left by your wife

signalnoise
Mar 7, 2008

i was told my old av was distracting
Prayer of the Rollerboys could easily be adapted to be a fun open world video game and I would play it

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Shibawanko posted:

my wife is always right

She married you so she's made at least one bad call.

Ruffian Price
Sep 17, 2016

Bronze Fonz posted:

"Vinyl just sounds warmer."

I mean, it does, "warmer" is measurable. It's just not a positive quality

Play
Apr 25, 2006

Strong stroll for a mangy stray

Tonfa posted:

lol at this convo that was literally the equivalent of an animecon nerd from the 00s who just yells out all the japanese words they know except irony-poisoned in some kind of misguided attempt to deliver a devastating burn on an entire country

something about japan having a game industry just breaks goon brains

It was a lighthearted joke about anime lol, chill out. Japan doesn't need you to defend it which is good because I wasn't attacking 'an entire country' as you so dramatically put it

!Klams posted:

I think 'some' pixel art / old CRT graphics look nice, but mostly new games look nicer. Pixel art isn't just inherently better. While I don't necessarily think all filters on it are a good idea, I can see why someone would want to make

something like


look more like


Like, the first pic (Impossimole) is just loving ugly. No amount of 'playing it on a CRT' is gonna make it nice. But updated, with a wider palette and less pixellated art, it could look nice. I personally don't rate any of the art that's been posted as 'examples of pixel art being ruined' to me it's all just 3 kinda ugly pictures. The only appeal of any of them is the pixel stuff is retro, so kinda nostalgic, and that gets lost with the blur, sure, but it's not like I actually admired it in the first place. I don't think any artistry has been ruined, I just think the nostalgia vibe was scrubbed, but I don't care. If it meant it was easier to play the game because you can tell what's going on, I'd rather the latter, blurrier more soulless stuff.

You're comparing a game from 1990 to one that came out very recently and was universally acclaimed for its art. Not to mention it looks nothing like those filters I was not liking. Hand drawn or otherwise original art in games is amazing, no doubt. But I will always love me pixel art too, especially the very detailed type you see more often these days

Play fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Feb 23, 2021

Workaday Wizard
Oct 23, 2009

by Pragmatica

signalnoise posted:

roundabout way to say you're left by your wife

lmfao

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!

Panic! At The Tesco posted:

Anime games are horribly embarrassing because of the "sexy" stuff and the aforementioned giant titty waifu problem. Like I think I could enjoy Anime if it was all cool robots, or weirdly dressed people using magic powers and dumb swords and poo poo.

But as soon as there's a hint of a girl with stupidly oversexual proportions and they're clearly there for weebs to wank off to, then I'm out.

This is true for a lot of stuff though, my girlfriend watches a lot of crap on Netflix and so much of has it forced erotica or sexual content in it. She has been watching the fairly old (2004ish) BBC drama Spooks and every episode there's some snogging in an elevator or a spy lady trying to seduce an executive or whatever. I don't find the idea of a sexy anime lady being a problem any more than the frequent and gratuitous sex scenes in a show like Bridgerton.

I've not seen that many examples of the kind of titillation you mention if I'm honest, Bayonetta was kinda on the edge with its sexy witch lady taking her clothes off which are made of her hair but I didn't give a poo poo about that, I played it because it was an amazing videogame. Cowboy Bebop is a good anime I guess, I suppose I've heard people criticize Fays character design as being "malegaze". I don't seek out weird animes that might push the idea further but theres people who like that. If thats how someone wants to spend their time, whatever man I got better things to criticise.

Anime is cool in theory but its like someone saying they love westerns. I'm sure theres plenty great westerns. I've watched one or two I really loved. True Grit was a great movie, Djanjo Unchained was a great movie, and yet theres a thousuand crappy old spaghetti western films I'll never ever want to watch.

Same with videogames, Red Dead Redemption 2 is a loving amazing videogame but Custers Revenge is not and thats how I feel about anime. Theres a handful that are brilliant and I'll seek out after hearing about them enough but for the most part they might as well be one of fifty John Wayne movies that I'll never ever want to watch because there is A LOT of it and its mostly garbage.

Punkinhead
Apr 2, 2015

You know anime has some serious problems because Hayao Miyazaki really doesn't like anime or the people who watch it

Miyazaki posted:

“I simply can’t discuss the business we are in without a bit of bitterness. Compared to some of the works from the 1950s that I will always hold as a gold standard, the animation that we are making in the 1980s resembles the food served on jumbo jet airliners … The emotions and thoughts that should be so moving have given way to showiness, nervousness, and titillation. Frankly I despise the truncated word ‘anime’ because to me it only symbolizes the current desolation of our industry.”

and my personal favorite

Miyazaki posted:

Some people spend their lives interested only in themselves. Almost all Japanese animation is produced with hardly any basis taken from observing real people, you know. It’s produced by humans who can’t stand looking at other humans. And that’s why the industry is full of otaku!

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

the best anime is anime actually made for children like anpanman or cojicoji

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

im really not an anime guy but all i know is that western anime people tend to ignore the artists that are actually considered classics by japanese people, like osamu tezuka, whose comics arent actually anything like otaku stuff

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth
Some anime good, other anime bad. Truly an unprecedented trait for an artistic medium.

fridge corn
Apr 2, 2003

NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN :black101:

Meme Poker Party posted:

Some anime good, other anime bad. Truly an unprecedented trait for an artistic medium.

I think the real issue is that the anime fandom is mostly focused on the bad anime

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

!Klams posted:

I think 'some' pixel art / old CRT graphics look nice, but mostly new games look nicer. Pixel art isn't just inherently better. While I don't necessarily think all filters on it are a good idea, I can see why someone would want to make

something like


look more like


it's because this is sooooo expensive to produce, whether we're talking in terms of time or money

like yes it's important to be visually distinct from your peers but there's a tipping point where it just isn't feasible. there are lot of times when i feel like throwing up my hands and just going full pixel art but realistically speaking since my workflow has been fully digitized, and because my sprites would still be the same size and good pixel art at my current dimensions is super time intensive, it wouldn't be substantially faster.

tldr the reason AAA games don't look like that is because it isn't likely to move more copies than the pixel art one, while being way more expensive to develop; and the reason indie games don't look like that is because it would take a small team two decades to make a game that looks like your second picture in any genre other than "navel gazing arthouse garbage with five screens"

for example to name one thing off the top of my head do you have any idea how much of a pain in the rear end it is to code a 2d graded slope

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

fridge corn posted:

I think the real issue is that the anime fandom is mostly focused on the bad anime

You could replace the word "anime" in that statement with almost anything, and many people would agree.

feelix
Nov 27, 2016
THE ONLY EXERCISE I AM UNFAMILIAR WITH IS EXERCISING MY ABILITY TO MAKE A POST PEOPLE WANT TO READ

Tonfa posted:

lol at this convo that was literally the equivalent of an animecon nerd from the 00s who just yells out all the japanese words they know except irony-poisoned in some kind of misguided attempt to deliver a devastating burn on an entire country

something about japan having a game industry just breaks goon brains

do you plan to present your spirited defense of glorious Nippon on the SA forums as part of your naturalization application?

BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


Anime is completely mainstream at this point for anyone under the age of 35 with Kim Kardashian talking about how much she loves it on the View, megan thee stallion doing a photo shoot based on Kakegurui one of the horniest animes out there, and everyone knowing dragonball Z, pokemon, and Yu Gi Oh which makes old-rear end goons trash talking it to show how normal and "ungoonlike" they are always v funny.

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

this is probably an unpopular opinion: star wars battlefront 2 is more fun than it has any right to be and it is probably my favorite multiplayer shooter currently

i remember a bunch of controversy when it was released something about lootcrates or not being able to play cool characters without hundreds of hours of grinding, but they seem to have fixed that and also its free on gamepass so ive just been playing random matches with pubbies and enjoying it a lot more than any other game in the genre ive played in a long time

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

Anime is completely mainstream at this point for anyone under the age of 35 with Kim Kardashian talking about how much she loves it on the View, megan thee stallion doing a photo shoot based on Kakegurui one of the horniest animes out there, and everyone knowing dragonball Z, pokemon, and Yu Gi Oh which makes old-rear end goons trash talking it to show how normal and "ungoonlike" they are always v funny.

tbh "it's been popular and mainstream for years" explains random, unfocused goon hostility towards anime better than anything I've heard before lol.

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

Earwicker posted:

this is probably an unpopular opinion: star wars battlefront 2 is more fun than it has any right to be and it is probably my favorite multiplayer shooter currently

i remember a bunch of controversy when it was released something about lootcrates or not being able to play cool characters without hundreds of hours of grinding, but they seem to have fixed that and also its free on gamepass so ive just been playing random matches with pubbies and enjoying it a lot more than any other game in the genre ive played in a long time

Fact: the Starfighter Assault mode for Battlefront 2 on its own has more content and is a more enjoyable multiplayer spaceship experience than full standalone game "Star Wars: Squadrons".

PizzaProwler
Nov 4, 2009

Or you can see me at The Riviera. Tuesday nights.
Pillowfights with Dominican mothers.

feelix posted:

do you plan to present your spirited defense of glorious Nippon on the SA forums as part of your naturalization application?

Hey, bigotry is back on the menu, everyone!

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Meme Poker Party posted:

Fact: the Starfighter Assault mode for Battlefront 2 on its own has more content and is a more enjoyable multiplayer spaceship experience than full standalone game "Star Wars: Squadrons".

yeah im not sure why its even a standalone game, it basically just feels like a few extra levels for battlefront 2

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

JollyBoyJohn posted:

Anime is cool in theory but its like someone saying they love westerns. I'm sure theres plenty great westerns. I've watched one or two I really loved. True Grit was a great movie, Djanjo Unchained was a great movie, and yet theres a thousuand crappy old spaghetti western films I'll never ever want to watch.

spaghetti westerns are great actually its kind of amazing how you manage to have terrible opinions on such a wide range of topics

Play
Apr 25, 2006

Strong stroll for a mangy stray

PizzaProwler posted:

Hey, bigotry is back on the menu, everyone!

Is "nippon" bigoted? I've never heard that before. It's just the formal pronunciation of Japan in Japan.

The whole conversation is silly because noticing the frequency of big-titted high schoolers with demon powers in anime isn't some crazy attack. Just a statement of fact. I happen to enjoy anime and appreciate the country of Japan but I can still make jokes about anime okay??

Vic
Nov 26, 2009

malae fidei cum XI_XXVI_MMIX
"anime is bad lol" is something everyone can get behind especially people who watch a lot of anime

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

Vic posted:

"anime is bad lol" is something everyone can get behind especially people who watch a lot of anime

It must be delivered with the proper irony. I will readily admit to enjoying bad anime, in the same way someone will admit to enjoying bad games. This is different from someone talking down to concept of anime or games in general.

MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003

LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL
(づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ♥(‘∀’●)

JollyBoyJohn posted:


Anime is cool in theory but its like someone saying they love westerns. I'm sure theres plenty great westerns. I've watched one or two I really loved. True Grit was a great movie, Djanjo Unchained was a great movie, and yet theres a thousuand crappy old spaghetti western films I'll never ever want to watch.

So you like a near-exact remake of a John Wayne movie and a movie so derivative of the spaghetti western genre that it might as well be all of them at once; but you won't watch them and know for a fact that you hate them.

You sound like a real fuckin idiot tbqh

fridge corn
Apr 2, 2003

NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN :black101:

Meme Poker Party posted:

It must be delivered with the proper irony. I will readily admit to enjoying bad anime, in the same way someone will admit to enjoying bad games. This is different from someone talking down to concept of anime or games in general.

A bad game isnt necessarily as toxic as a bad anime is tho

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

fridge corn posted:

A bad game isnt necessarily as toxic as a bad anime is tho

Nonsensical statement. It only makes sense if you hand pick a specific bad game and specific bad anime to compare, at which point anyone could argue anything by selecting the right examples. And the worst examples of any medium are all so vile it's pointless to try to value compare them. Or perhaps you have a dissertation on the exact toxicity values of A Serbian Film vs Hatred vs Redo of a Healer.

Meme Poker Party fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Feb 23, 2021

Panic! At The Tesco
Aug 19, 2005

FART


JollyBoyJohn posted:

This is true for a lot of stuff though, my girlfriend watches a lot of crap on Netflix and so much of has it forced erotica or sexual content in it. She has been watching the fairly old (2004ish) BBC drama Spooks and every episode there's some snogging in an elevator or a spy lady trying to seduce an executive or whatever. I don't find the idea of a sexy anime lady being a problem any more than the frequent and gratuitous sex scenes in a show like Bridgerton.

I've not seen that many examples of the kind of titillation you mention if I'm honest, Bayonetta was kinda on the edge with its sexy witch lady taking her clothes off which are made of her hair but I didn't give a poo poo about that, I played it because it was an amazing videogame. Cowboy Bebop is a good anime I guess, I suppose I've heard people criticize Fays character design as being "malegaze". I don't seek out weird animes that might push the idea further but theres people who like that. If thats how someone wants to spend their time, whatever man I got better things to criticise.

Anime is cool in theory but its like someone saying they love westerns. I'm sure theres plenty great westerns. I've watched one or two I really loved. True Grit was a great movie, Djanjo Unchained was a great movie, and yet theres a thousuand crappy old spaghetti western films I'll never ever want to watch.

Same with videogames, Red Dead Redemption 2 is a loving amazing videogame but Custers Revenge is not and thats how I feel about anime. Theres a handful that are brilliant and I'll seek out after hearing about them enough but for the most part they might as well be one of fifty John Wayne movies that I'll never ever want to watch because there is A LOT of it and its mostly garbage.

Honestly I'm probably just a big weirdo when it comes to sexual stuff in media. I'm not very keen on sex scenes and overly sexual characters on TV or in films either, unless there's a genuine plot reason which I find pretty rare. So it's not just anime, but even the staunchest defender of the medium (genre?) has to admit that anime has a lot of needlessly sexual waifu type characters. At least the anime you get exposed to in general life/internet and not as an anime watcher/game player.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no prude and will crank my hog to some porn on the reg, but I kind of like to keep my horny media and general entertainment separate for whatever reason.

Panic! At The Tesco
Aug 19, 2005

FART


Maybe I should just get into hentai

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

Panic! At The Tesco posted:

Maybe I should just get into hentai

Play
Apr 25, 2006

Strong stroll for a mangy stray

Meme Poker Party posted:

Nonsensical statement. It only makes sense if you hand pick a specific bad game and specific bad anime to compare, at which point anyone could argue anything by selecting the right examples. And the worst examples of any medium are all so vile it's pointless to try to value compare them. Or perhaps you have a dissertation on the exact toxicity values of A Serbian Film vs Hatred vs Redo of a Healer.

REALLY could have done without looking up that last one, god drat. Even just reading the wikipedia summary was hosed up

Vic
Nov 26, 2009

malae fidei cum XI_XXVI_MMIX

Meme Poker Party posted:

It must be delivered with the proper irony. I will readily admit to enjoying bad anime, in the same way someone will admit to enjoying bad games. This is different from someone talking down to concept of anime or games in general.

I think of it as a general rule. Everything is mostly bad just because it's harder to do something actually good.

While on this topic, unironically, I think videogames are art.

fridge corn
Apr 2, 2003

NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN :black101:

Panic! At The Tesco posted:

Honestly I'm probably just a big weirdo when it comes to sexual stuff in media. I'm not very keen on sex scenes and overly sexual characters on TV or in films either, unless there's a genuine plot reason which I find pretty rare. So it's not just anime, but even the staunchest defender of the medium (genre?) has to admit that anime has a lot of needlessly sexual waifu type characters. At least the anime you get exposed to in general life/internet and not as an anime watcher/game player.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no prude and will crank my hog to some porn on the reg, but I kind of like to keep my horny media and general entertainment separate for whatever reason.

Yeah all this sounds pretty spot on to me. Theres nothing wrong with being titillated but theres like a time and a place for it and for me, playing video games or watching tv or whatever is not that time and place yet every single anime seems to constantly barrage the viewer with hyper sexualised female characters, pointless beach or onsen episodes contrived purely to put the horn on.

Like I know when I'm being pandered to as a straight male and it's so blatant it's just sad. Like it was insanely cool when I was 14 or whatever but 20 years later and anime hasnt seemed to grow up at all

hawowanlawow
Jul 27, 2009

like the pointless nerd pandering brothel scenes and whore-chat in game of thrones

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MrQueasy
Nov 15, 2005

Probiot-ICK

fridge corn posted:

Yeah all this sounds pretty spot on to me. Theres nothing wrong with being titillated but theres like a time and a place for it and for me, playing video games or watching tv or whatever is not that time and place yet every single anime seems to constantly barrage the viewer with hyper sexualised female characters, pointless beach or onsen episodes contrived purely to put the horn on.

Like I know when I'm being pandered to as a straight male and it's so blatant it's just sad. Like it was insanely cool when I was 14 or whatever but 20 years later and anime hasnt seemed to grow up at all

I didn't think there was too much (amount) of sex in Witcher 3, but it wasn't written into the plot any more elegantly than "WELP, time to smash them barbie dolls together because a man talked to a woman long enough."

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