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Squiggle posted:Oh good, good! Thanks everybody - P4G and P5R are the only ones I have (and am going through 5R first), so I'm glad they don't force the harem-thing like P3. The Confidant ranks are just Social Links, or S-Links, but with mechanical bonuses that are conferred as you progress them. The rename is just some set dressing to really emphasize Joker's outcast nature and how the people willing to associate with him are also outcasts who are partnering with him for mutual benefits.
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Makoto just wants to be Kenshiro and that's OK with me
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Feb 23, 2021 19:48
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Yeah, the "Confidant" name emphasizes the type of relationships they are--starting as these explicitly transactional deals you strike with other sorta outcast-type people to help you do your shady Phantom Thief business. And it's a slightly different system from the "Social Link" system because of the mechanical benefits every Confidant provides. P5 spoilers: I also like how it hints at how confidant stories tend to end. By rank 10, every confidant has figured out you're a Phantom Thief and pledges to continue helping you because they believe in you. They're a "confidant" because they're someone who knows your secret who you can confide in.
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Feb 23, 2021 19:53
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Outside the really big obvious issue with half of them, I actually find all the romances in Persona 5 somewhat well handled. They’re all nice and show reasonable sides of the character involved as to why you would be interested and why they would be interested back. This is why it’s incredibly stupid you cannot date any male characters because they totally have those discussions too damnit.
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Feb 23, 2021 20:00
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My first time through 4G I went with Yukiko and my first time through 5R I went with Makoto, so maybe I just think the Priestess confidants are the most interesting.
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Feb 23, 2021 20:01
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I thought I *was* dating Yusuke though?
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Feb 23, 2021 20:01
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I think if I played 4 I’d go with Chie or Naoto. My two playthroughs of 5 I chose Kawakami (because real life me definitely finds her the most attractive in terms of personality) and then I chose Haru (i could not see that rejection scene again it’s ridiculously brutal). I think the reason I don’t chose Makoto is because I find that I much rather like her in combat mode to social link mode, and combat mode Makoto would ask to date you, not wait to be asked, same with Ann. This kind of ties into the fact that I suspect for Ann and Makoto they ended up toning down their aggression and confidence outside the fighting to make them be more appealing in terms of traditional values. Also you are definitely dating Yusuke, part of the humour of his confidant is indeed that you two keep going on to romantic locations together.
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Feb 23, 2021 20:05
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For persona 6 I wish they'd let us hang out in groups and have the cast bond with each other while the protag is absent, like in Fire Emblem. More importantly I want to be able to nudge them to date each other.
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Feb 23, 2021 20:08
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Lord_Magmar posted:This kind of ties into the fact that I suspect for Ann and Makoto they ended up toning down their aggression and confidence outside the fighting to make them be more appealing in terms of traditional values. To a degree I think this is partially just a thing with Phantom Thieves. It doesn't come through quite as clearly with the protagonist since you choose most of his lines, but the idea is that he's supposed to be relatively quiet and reserved in his daily life and just really cuts loose when he's Joker. I don't really know that I see either Ann or Makoto as particularly reserved outside of their Phantom Thief identities, though. Ann's pretty loud and assertive, even if she's also a total dork, and Makoto has no problem being an authority figure and calling the shots among the Phantom Thieves--she's just really not used to having friends and never even really gave any thought to dating before.
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Feb 23, 2021 20:10
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Deltasquid posted:For persona 6 I wish they'd let us hang out in groups and have the cast bond with each other while the protag is absent, like in Fire Emblem. More importantly I want to be able to nudge them to date each other. It will not happen but I really would like Persona 6 to entirely drop the silent main protagonist thing. They made it work for Yu by having him be incredibly weird regardless, and Joker by having him be a sarcastic little jerk (justifiably so) but it’s getting old and I think hampers the story. I admittedly also would kind of like a game where the protagonists main persona stays with them, even if you still get wild card powers for others. It feels a bit sad that you have to be fairly skilled at the mechanics of the velvet room to keep the rad looking Arsene the entire time, when they could just give it the same growth and ability gain as the other party members get for levels. ^could be that, although even then I think it happens to Ann and Makoto the worst, Ryuji really feels the same guy all the time, and Yusuke remains about as weird. But you go from Makoto ready to crack skulls and take names to being a lot more, reserved, in real life and that feels disappointing in the context of the phantom thieves being rebels. I have no problem with Ann being a bit of a dork, I just find it odd the game tones down her personality in certain ways outside random combat and mementos dialogue. Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Feb 23, 2021 |
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Feb 23, 2021 20:11
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If every Persona protagonist could be as great as the P4 anime version of Yu Narukami, I'd very happily have voiced protagonists from here on out. If nothing else it would've been fun to hear Xander Mobus deliver the lines you pick for Joker. The Persona 5 anime doesn't do nearly as much to flesh out Joker as the P4 one did for Yu, but in the dub, Xander Mobus really tries his best to inject some personality. If anything, though, it feels like Atlus wants to move in the opposite direction with Persona protagonists. They did a lot to flesh out Yu and make him a real character in both the anime adaptations and in P4 Arena/Dancing, but the handling of both the P3 protagonist in P3 Dancing and Joker in P5 Dancing and Strikers is very much "we're going to keep them as much player self-inserts as possible." I really would like a voiced protagonist who you still sometimes pick dialogue for--plenty of RPGs have shown it can be done well--but I'd be surprised to see it.
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Feb 23, 2021 20:18
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I just wish the romance was acknowledged in the story. I could see keeping a relationship with Hifumi a secret, but there's no way any of your teammates wouldn't tell at least one other about dating you. The harem thing is just stupid as a concept. Also, same sex partners and female MC should be available too.
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Feb 23, 2021 20:28
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That is why you cannot date Ryuji. You would decide to keep it a secret and then he would blurt it out at the next Phantom Thieves meeting.
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Feb 23, 2021 20:53
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Hellioning posted:That is why you cannot date Ryuji. You would decide to keep it a secret and then he would blurt it out at the next Phantom Thieves meeting. if joker was half as sensible as he tries to come off then he'd never entertain any delusions of keeping it discreet in the first place you take the ticket, you ride the ride
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Feb 23, 2021 20:56
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This is probably a controversial take but I think it would've made sense to story-lock more party member confidants to line up with their main story character development. One example here would be Ryuji. If you complete his confidant relatively early, which is easy to do, there's a huge disconnect between who he is during his confidant and who he is during the main plot. Up until like October or November in the main plot, he's super obsessed with personal glory and what he can gain by being a Phantom Thief, while during his confidant his actions are extremely selfish and mature. If the last few ranks of his confidant only unlocked like after the fifth Palace, it would make sense and line up with his development. The alternative, I suppose, would be to have less character development during party member confidants and have them be just lightweight side-stories, but that's what we get with confidants like Ann's and those are disappointing for a different reason.
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Feb 23, 2021 20:58
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"this guy reached out to me at an extremely vulnerable moment, has stuck by me through incredible adversity, and has the passion and drive to give me direction no matter how uncertain i might feel...but he also has the brains, attention span, and volume control of a pomerian on a sugar rush. guess i'd better update all my relationship statuses in advance"
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Feb 23, 2021 20:58
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Just a reminder that the "must date the female companions to complete the s-link" was a thing in base Persona 5, otherwise they stopped at rank 9 and couldn't evolve their personas. And this applied to all the female ones including your homeroom teacher (does she count as a school contact who isn't in the party?). Just one of the many ways P5R is better than P5 base.
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Feb 23, 2021 20:58
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come to think of it ryuji is really dog-like in general, no wonder morgana's so peeved at him all the timeneonchameleon posted:Just a reminder that the "must date the female companions to complete the s-link" was a thing in base Persona 5, otherwise they stopped at rank 9 and couldn't evolve their personas. no it wasn't. i don't think it's been a thing since P3
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Feb 23, 2021 21:00
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neonchameleon posted:Just a reminder that the "must date the female companions to complete the s-link" was a thing in base Persona 5, otherwise they stopped at rank 9 and couldn't evolve their personas. And this applied to all the female ones including your homeroom teacher (does she count as a school contact who isn't in the party?). Just one of the many ways P5R is better than P5 base. That's not true at all. Vanilla Persona 5 had platonic routes for the female confidants just like Persona 4 does. I maxed out all confidants in vanilla Persona 5 and believe me, I can't forget rejecting Haru no matter how hard I try.
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Feb 23, 2021 21:01
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Harrow posted:I can't forget rejecting Haru no matter how hard I try. That reminds me, what's worse, rejecting Haru or the harem valentine scene in P4? lunar detritus fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Feb 23, 2021 |
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Feb 23, 2021 21:04
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lunar detritus posted:That reminds me, what's worse, rejecting Haru or the harem valentine scene in P4? Gotta be the harem valentine scene in P4 because that comes with the added guilt of knowing you're an awful no-good cheater
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Feb 23, 2021 21:11
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lunar detritus posted:That reminds me, what's worse, rejecting Haru or the harem valentine scene in P4? Personally think rejecting Haru. Harem valentine scene in P4 can be blamed on the player for being well a player. In P5 if you already have a relationship it's a gut punch to reject Haru because you're trying to do the right thing and not have events like P4 harem scene.
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Feb 23, 2021 21:12
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If royal is anything to go by they might do this moving forward, as justice can’t be ranked up past I think 6 before October and councilor can’t go past rank 5 until after summer.
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Feb 23, 2021 21:13
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You know, I wonder. With Nanako making a cameo in most of your party members SLs, can you just not advance them if you held off on it til November?
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Feb 23, 2021 21:17
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If you haven't done the rank of Naoto's Link she appears in by that point it just changes to accomodate.
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Feb 23, 2021 21:21
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Lord_Magmar posted:Also you are definitely dating Yusuke, part of the humour of his confidant is indeed that you two keep going on to romantic locations together.  The final couple is always w/Yusuke since their interactions are great. Let me date boys atlus.
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Feb 23, 2021 22:59
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^^^ Joker/Ryuji makes more sense to me. Yuusuke just gives the impression that he respects the protagonist.Lord_Magmar posted:I think if I played 4 I’d go with Chie or Naoto. P5 was strange in that the characters I liked the most pre-S-link I ended up souring on during the S-link, with Makoto and Kawakami being the best examples of this (why'd they gotta make Kawakami a maid, I liked her teacher look). In the end there weren't really any appealing S-link romances. All the options were either kind of lame or people who it was very difficult to imagine being romantically interested in Joker (like Takemi and maybe Ohya, though I could imagine the latter making the unethical decision to hook up with a high schooler).
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Feb 23, 2021 23:20
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Watching some TAS videos of RPGs these days got me thinking, has there been anything interesting for any of these games like that? Or even just what a speedrun of them would be like and how it would work?
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Feb 23, 2021 23:30
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I liked Makoto because she's adorably terrible at rebelling but still tries Sadly, she wants to be a cop, but at least she has an understandable reason for it
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Feb 23, 2021 23:45
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If you want to play as characters where none of them want to be a cop, then you can always play Persona 1.
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Feb 23, 2021 23:59
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Ryuji is best boy and he never left my party once in Vanilla after he was there. He should have been datable. 
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A Bystander posted:Watching some TAS videos of RPGs these days got me thinking, has there been anything interesting for any of these games like that? Or even just what a speedrun of them would be like and how it would work? There aren't any TASes of Persona games, as far as I know. You can check https://www.speedrun.com/ for regular speedruns, though. The modern ones are all 8+ hours long, so I don't expect there are much in the way of cool tricks, just playing the game normally but fast.
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Naoto’s S-Link didn’t get weird to me until she makes a watch for you that can tell her how close you are but that’s more lmao than anything. At least the immediately acknowledges it as creepy.
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The most problematic thing about Naoto was if you cheat on Chie with her, Chie finds out by Naoto telling you that she forgot her socks in your room and who the gently caress does that. WHO THE gently caress DOES THAT.
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Feb 24, 2021 00:59
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Harrow posted:That's not true at all. Vanilla Persona 5 had platonic routes for the female confidants just like Persona 4 does. Mea culpa. I'd even checked a confidant in a guide to see if I wasn't misremembering - but got confused by the end date scene.
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Feb 24, 2021 01:29
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lunar detritus posted:That reminds me, what's worse, rejecting Haru or the harem valentine scene in P4?
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Feb 24, 2021 01:45
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Harems are fail and I am happy people get owned on v-day for being unfaithful.
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Feb 24, 2021 01:59
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All of the rejections in 4 (save Chie, I think) were brutal like Haru's. Kinda surprised you can't just say "I'm already dating someone" though, in either game.
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Feb 24, 2021 02:02
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Jen X posted:I liked Makoto because she's adorably terrible at rebelling but still tries Makoto is the only party member (and possibly the only confidant entirely) who has her poo poo together and doesn't need Joker to fix all her problems for her. That's S-tier romance material tbh Haru comes close but she also needed someone else to tell her "you know that there's no such thing as a binding marriage contract right? i mean lol"
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Fojar38 posted:Makoto is the only party member (and possibly the only confidant entirely) who has her poo poo together and doesn't need Joker to fix all her problems for her. That's S-tier romance material tbh On the other hand, she also has no sense of humour. Who doesn't laugh at 'beep boop'? You gotta have some low-key fun, and with Makoto it's either 'study til death' or 'we busting out the motorcycle and doing some sick wheelies'.
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