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DrManiac
Feb 29, 2012

I love how it’s canon that joker is just really loving good at cooking now

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Inverted Sphere
Aug 19, 2013
So how's the Switch version holding up so far? I'm torn between that and Steam, my computer's on the older side (GTX 1060 and a 4670k) so I'm not sure how well it'll run and I do like portability (you know, once I actually start going outside again.), but on the other hand I'm hearing stuff like running it on Steam off of an SSD is gonna load way, way faster than the Switch version does.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

Inverted Sphere posted:

So how's the Switch version holding up so far? I'm torn between that and Steam, my computer's on the older side (GTX 1060 and a 4670k) so I'm not sure how well it'll run and I do like portability (you know, once I actually start going outside again.), but on the other hand I'm hearing stuff like running it on Steam off of an SSD is gonna load way, way faster than the Switch version does.

I have a gtx 950 and a i3 4130, you're fine

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Base PS4 gets an easy and consistent 60 fps even on visual mode. Anyone with a midrange PC from the past decade should be fine.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

ApplesandOranges posted:

I imagine it's because jumping back into the Jail also resets your Showtime meter, respawns enemies and gives you the chance to turn in requests. I get that it's a 'well it really does nothing, doesn't it', but it's just a part of the system that's gonna have to be handled.

I think I missed when the game explained Requests to me, because I killed some named Silkie and it said I completed a request that I didn't even know I had.

ASenileAnimal
Dec 21, 2017

about to wrap up the 6th jail. i dunno how close to the end i am but it looks like they tweaked a bunch of persona weaknesses. if you were hoping to make some insane immune to everything persona in this one i dont think its going to happen.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Dungeon 8 spoilers:

lol Amazon Prime still works in the Qliphoth World :allears:

Inflammatory
Apr 22, 2014

Ytlaya posted:

I think I missed when the game explained Requests to me, because I killed some named Silkie and it said I completed a request that I didn't even know I had.

requests seem to just pop up in every battle, either defeat all shadows or defeat minibosses like that.

Starsnostars
Jan 17, 2009

The Master of Magnetism
I only just got access to the shop and was wondering how often should I be buying new weapons and equipment in this game?

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

Starsnostars posted:

I only just got access to the shop and was wondering how often should I be buying new weapons and equipment in this game?

Money isn't a problem.

ASenileAnimal
Dec 21, 2017

Starsnostars posted:

I only just got access to the shop and was wondering how often should I be buying new weapons and equipment in this game?

it can get expensive but theres usually a combo of 3 characters that can hit every enemies weakness in each jail. once you figure that out, you can get them the latest stuff if you dont want to grind for money to gear the whole team up each time.

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.

Inverted Sphere posted:

So how's the Switch version holding up so far? I'm torn between that and Steam, my computer's on the older side (GTX 1060 and a 4670k) so I'm not sure how well it'll run and I do like portability (you know, once I actually start going outside again.), but on the other hand I'm hearing stuff like running it on Steam off of an SSD is gonna load way, way faster than the Switch version does.

The Switch is fine, I play it almost exclusively on handheld. There's some noticeable loading times at the start but nothing too bad.

Starting the fourth dungeon now, everyone but Makoto has their full skillset unlocked which means I could just go back to maining Joker 90% of the time. Favourite non-Joker characters to control is still probably Haru, everyone but Ann and Makoto feel fine as an occasional.

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

anyone on PC getting some really weird aliasing? The portraits look totally fine, but the 3D graphics and the text have some extreme jaggies even with graphics maxed and render scale at x2.0. (note characters in the back)



I made these changes in nvidia control panel and it made the 3D graphics look a bit more like they're supposed to, but the text still has some weird "fuzz" that wasn't there when I played the original persona 5.

Namnesor
Jun 29, 2005

Dante's allowance - $100
Turn off anti-aliasing in-game for the font stuff. I did the same thing in the nVidia Control Panel and it's kinda the best you can get, really.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Finished the game. Plot impressions:

lol they speedran Vanilla Persona 5 and it's obvious that the writers for P5S and P5R were sharing notes, although it was executed much, much better in P5R in my opinion. Removing time management and compressing everything into one month probably hurt the overall narrative, but obviously this is a spinoff so it wouldn't be realistic to demand as much story meat as P5R. Thankfully P5's characters are so strong that the comparitively thin narrative didn't bother me that much, but if someone came in on this game they wouldn't get the full experience of why P5 is so loving good.

That being said, I enjoyed the gameplay a lot and think that it almost certainly has more replay value than P5R. It will never happen in a million years but I would love to see P5R remade with P5S's combat system.

fadam
Apr 23, 2008

I’m not having any issues with blurry fonts or muffled sounds. I’m surprised how many people are, what platform are you guys on?

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
Is Yusuke's counter worse than I think, I can't seem to get it activate during the flash even against bosses.

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.

Tae posted:

Is Yusuke's counter worse than I think, I can't seem to get it activate during the flash even against bosses.

I usually just swap to him right when I see the boss about to hit me, makes the timing way less lax.

Also, bear in mind that the counterattack doesn't have full invul frames, so Yusuke can still get hit during it if the boss won't get stunned from the counter.

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute
Two jails down so far, really liking this one a lot. I kinda thought it would just be some lazy cash in but nah, it's a legit sequel and brings a visual flair and OST that matches if not out does the first. My only real complaint so far is that I don't think Persona's "always an inch from death" battle system translates well to a musou. I can barely tell what's happening in battle half the time, so for enemies to just blindside and kill you out of nowhere is really frustrating. I ended up just bumping the difficulty down to easy and it seems a lot more sensible all around.

ASenileAnimal
Dec 21, 2017

the 6th jails boss music owns

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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I've cleared the game on Hard and I can tell you confidently that in most circumstances this is a "you should never not be doing something" action game. If you aren't attacking you should be dodging pretty much constantly and you should always be ready to drop whatever it is you're doing with a dodge in an instant. The game is pretty generous with your ability to cancel things into dodges.

Furthermore, in my experience crowd control should usually take priority over focusing big enemies because the little guys will constantly be trying to gently caress up your movement. As in Persona 5, inflicting status effects is really strong if you can't outright kill things and can be used against bigger enemies as your "gently caress off and wait your turn" option while you go clean up the rabble.

You also need to pay attention to attack types and resistances. If you have a balanced Persona loadout you can easily switch to one that absorbs or nulls the element the enemy is casting with in a pinch and get some free healing and free attacks.

Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Feb 25, 2021

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.
One nice thing is that at least so far, there's no 'this party is OP'. You want at least one of Morgana/Makoto/Sophie most likely, but otherwise everyone's fairly interchangeable and most of them bring some kinda utility or just nice big chunky damage. Recarm is way more valuable here so Makoto not having it means she's not an auto-include. I think Sophie *generally* beats out Morgana just because she gets Divine Grace, but not to the degree that endgame Makoto outclassed Morgana in vanilla P5.

As an aside, I ran into my first Dire Shadow and whew howdy I barely got to about half of its life bar before deciding 'okay, I've exhausted my resources, this is not worth it'. Roughly what levels are you expected to take those on?

Dr. Fishopolis
Aug 31, 2004

ROBOT
If you're having trouble with the combat you're probably not dodging enough. poo poo's like Hades. Dodge dodge dodge dodge dodge.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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ApplesandOranges posted:

One nice thing is that at least so far, there's no 'this party is OP'. You want at least one of Morgana/Makoto/Sophie most likely, but otherwise everyone's fairly interchangeable and most of them bring some kinda utility or just nice big chunky damage. Recarm is way more valuable here so Makoto not having it means she's not an auto-include. I think Sophie *generally* beats out Morgana just because she gets Divine Grace, but not to the degree that endgame Makoto outclassed Morgana in vanilla P5.

As an aside, I ran into my first Dire Shadow and whew howdy I barely got to about half of its life bar before deciding 'okay, I've exhausted my resources, this is not worth it'. Roughly what levels are you expected to take those on?

On Hard mode they started to fall for me at about level 54+ with some patience.

Don't be afraid to play lame with Joker's infinite ranged attacks, it's a viable strategy against some of the particularly tanky enemies.

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.
Also one thing that is almost a shame is that the game doesn't always telegraph when an environmental item is of limited use. This is particularly noticeable for the first and third dungeon bosses when you're expected to use an environmental item to disrupt the boss, but you only have so many uses of them and if you're just going 'oh hey, A prompt or follow-up, let's go' then you run out very quickly.

It's a lesson that's easily learnable, but still.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

ApplesandOranges posted:

Also one thing that is almost a shame is that the game doesn't always telegraph when an environmental item is of limited use. This is particularly noticeable for the first and third dungeon bosses when you're expected to use an environmental item to disrupt the boss, but you only have so many uses of them and if you're just going 'oh hey, A prompt or follow-up, let's go' then you run out very quickly.

It's a lesson that's easily learnable, but still.

You can also interrupt with elemental spells they are weak to, so if you use them up you can just spam your hardcast version to get by, even on their hard and extra hard modes.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
Is there any real reason to keep the aoe versions of spells, since the basic versions already have a big cast and All-out attack is more common to trigger?

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Tae posted:

Is there any real reason to keep the aoe versions of spells, since the basic versions already have a big cast and All-out attack is more common to trigger?

It can be useful in some niche situations but honestly nah.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Tae posted:

Is there any real reason to keep the aoe versions of spells, since the basic versions already have a big cast and All-out attack is more common to trigger?

Their range is much bigger so they can be more useful in crowd control. In terms of busting knockdown meters there isn't any difference.

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.

ImpAtom posted:

It can be useful in some niche situations but honestly nah.

At the same time, they only cost 2 SP more, so it's not a huge difference later on.

ImpAtom posted:

You can also interrupt with elemental spells they are weak to, so if you use them up you can just spam your hardcast version to get by, even on their hard and extra hard modes.

(Third boss spoilers) I think the only way to knock her out of her rage or to free an eaten person was to either drop a chandelier on her or use a Showtime? I might be wrong here.

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011



let it not go unnoticed that morgana still got one in on the first day of the game

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Is there any way to get party members that aren't in your party to get XP (like a future bond skill)? I noticed they don't seem to gain XP when out of party.

YoshiOfYellow
Aug 21, 2015

Voted #1 Babysitter in Mushroom Kingdom

They do seem to get at least a small percentage of EXP from the bench, but otherwise I just rotate my thieves around every so often.

Item Getter
Dec 14, 2015
Since you can switch party members freely without leaving the dungeon IIRC, when exploring dungeons I found it a good tactic to switch people out for the B-team when they ran out of SP.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

This track that I think is the P5S version of Life Will Change is really good.

YoshiOfYellow
Aug 21, 2015

Voted #1 Babysitter in Mushroom Kingdom

Another Yusuke Tip: 4x Basic Attack to Special has counter frames while he's winding up for the big huge swing. It's a combo you'll wanna be doing pretty often too anyways because it puts the High Counter buff on him without countering anything. It seems to have a longer window to catch attacks too, I've definitely triggered counters off it a pretty decent amount of the time.

ASenileAnimal
Dec 21, 2017

Ytlaya posted:

Is there any way to get party members that aren't in your party to get XP (like a future bond skill)? I noticed they don't seem to gain XP when out of party.

their levels wont always be even but you can get them caught up fast in a few fights in whatever your latest dungeon is. its better to have an underleveled party member that can hit weaknesses because alot of the fights will be a slog if you cant.

Morpheus
Apr 18, 2008

My favourite little monsters

Ytlaya posted:

This track that I think is the P5S version of Life Will Change is really good.

If you actually mean Life Will Change, it's still in there. If you mean the music that plays when you're moving to break the trauma cage or whatever it's called, yeah, it's a banger (It's called Daredevil)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ucIdYj42sM

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.
It's actually a shame that after a while the game just no longer needs you to interact with the Mussou-style gameplay of using all your basic attack string and combos. They're still useful especially for the free spells or things like 'Haru's guns and spins get better' but I've never needed like Sophie's gravity bullets or 'oh Ann's fire whips are better now' after a while.

Which is good because I'm bad at it and the game is still pretty fun, but eh.

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ASenileAnimal
Dec 21, 2017

ApplesandOranges posted:

It's actually a shame that after a while the game just no longer needs you to interact with the Mussou-style gameplay of using all your basic attack string and combos. They're still useful especially for the free spells or things like 'Haru's guns and spins get better' but I've never needed like Sophie's gravity bullets or 'oh Ann's fire whips are better now' after a while.

Which is good because I'm bad at it and the game is still pretty fun, but eh.

so far ive been able to stunlock every boss to death by spamming its weakness + technicals but i did have a fight with one of the really strong personas where it didnt stagger from getting hit with its weakness so you might have to do some dodging later

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