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Did the union even get anything for agreeing to the rookie wage scale? Or were they just happy there'd be more money for veterans now?
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Intruder posted:Did the union even get anything for agreeing to the rookie wage scale? Or were they just happy there'd be more money for veterans now?
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Feb 22, 2021 22:52
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All the money that was saved from rookie contracts ended up going to the super stars at a few positions: QB, WR, pass rusher. Everyone else got screwed. Intruder posted:Yeah but Bradford is basically the reason they created the rookie scale to begin with IIRC JaMarcus was also part of the reason. $61,000,000 contract with $32,000,000 guaranteed.
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Feb 22, 2021 22:53
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Intruder posted:Yeah but Bradford is basically the reason they created the rookie scale to begin with IIRC Sam Bradford signed a 6 year, $76,000,000 ($12.666~ million per year) contract after being drafted first overall in 2010. Cam Newton signed a 4 year, $22,000,000 (5.5 million per year) contract after being drafted first overall in 2011. Joe Burrow signed a 4 year, $36,190,137 ($9.047 million per year) contract after being drafted first overall in 2020. On this pace, the player drafted first overall in 2032 will make about the same amount of money per year as Sam Bradford did on this rookie deal. The player drafted first overall in ~2050 will get slightly over $76,000,000 for his rookie contract.
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wyoak posted:the idea was there would be more money for veterans, what actually happened is mid-level veterans got cut Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:All the money that was saved from rookie contracts ended up going to the super stars at a few positions: QB, WR, pass rusher. Everyone else got screwed. This. In theory, the money saved by not going to rookies would be used to pay or resign proven vets with a team. It was entirely presented as if the difference would be going toward all the mid-level guys and every position would see decent bumps in pay as more money was available and the cap kept going up. In actuality, what happened is the vast majority of that money went to the stars or someone coming off a good reason, which is why every few years we had a new highest paid QB in NFL history. IIRC, Joe Flacco was the first guy to clearly benefit from that, getting a 6-year, $120 million contract right after winning the Super Bowl, but that was passed before the next season by a bunch of other guys (See Febreeze's various money fort comics). I think backup QBs started getting paid a bit more as well, relative to what they'd gotten in the past, but that may have been the only position that really benefitted from it. I'm sure there's a trickle down joke or something that someone who better understands economics can make.
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Yeah, you can look at franchise tag costs per position to see a real macro view of the top contracts. The biggest jump is lol pass rushing interior linemen, but uh, go ahead and name the ones in the NFL in 2010. 2010, 2015, 2020 $128m cap, $143m, $198m - total salary cap. QB: $16.4 | $18.5 | $26.8 - Went from 12% to 13.5% of the cap RB: $8.2 | $10.9 | $10.3 - 6.4% to 5.2% WR: $9.6 | $12.8 | $17.9 - 7.5% to 9% OL: $10.7 | $12.9 | $14.8 TE: $5.9 | $8.3 |$10.6 DE: $12.4 | $14.8 | $17.8 DT: $7.0 | $11.2 | $16.1 LB: $9.7 | $13.2 | $15.8 CB: $9.5 | $13.0 | $16.3 SF: $6.5 | $9.6 | $11.4 ST: $2.8 | $4.1 | $5
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Feb 22, 2021 23:22
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wyoak posted:the idea was there would be more money for veterans, what actually happened is mid-level veterans got cut The big reason for this is that rookie contracts are really very long, so you could keep rolling the dice on rookies until you got some good ones, then sit on them for the remaining 3-4 seasons on their contracts, while cutting the ones who suck. The fix for this seems obvious? at least to my eyes -- make rookie contracts shorter, so that teams can't just churn through rookies nonstop and will have to sign veterans for stability.
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Feb 22, 2021 23:34
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SKULL.GIF posted:The big reason for this is that rookie contracts are really very long, so you could keep rolling the dice on rookies until you got some good ones, then sit on them for the remaining 3-4 seasons on their contracts, while cutting the ones who suck. You'd also have to adjust the Restricted free agency rules, but I think I'd be okay with keeping them, just either maxing out the tender at a 3rd round pick, or upping the 1st / 2nd round tenders to requiring near franchise tag numbers. But yeah, rookie contracts should be like 3 years long at most. Figure out if they're good, then pay them what they're worth.
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Eifert Posting posted:I might be wrong but I thought in the event someone holds out on a contract under the modern CBA the team can go after their signing bonus. afaik they can only go after a pro-rated amount of it based on how many actual games you hold out
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Kalli posted:But yeah, rookie contracts should be like 3 years long at most. Figure out if they're good, then pay them what they're worth. This would also help the RB situation enormously.
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indigi posted:afaik they can only go after a pro-rated amount of it based on how many actual games you hold out Yup Any money he already had been paid is his. They will obviously sue him but he’s still sitting pretty with all that cash. He can absolutely afford to wait them out. I guess they technically can, too... but who knows. Game of chicken.
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Feb 22, 2021 23:49
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maybe have some sort of cap-exempt portion of a salary for veteran re-signings or something like that
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Intruder posted:Yeah but Bradford is basically the reason they created the rookie scale to begin with IIRC Oh I know why there was the drop. It’s still crazy to see.
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wyoak posted:maybe have some sort of cap-exempt portion of a salary for veteran re-signings or something like that This sort of exists already in a tiny way. Rookies make a minimum of $610k (this got upped by like 20% in the last CBA, which is kinda cool btw). If a vet player is earning the minimum (a sliding scale that goes up to like $1.5m for players with 10+ years experience), the salary only counts for a 2nd year player's minimum against the cap as long as they also make under like $100k in bonuses. Problem is, those numbers are so negligible that whooooo cares when it comes to the cap.
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wyoak posted:the idea was there would be more money for veterans, what actually happened is mid-level veterans got cut It's like a milder version of what's destroyed the FA market in MLB, seems like one of these days some of the players' unions would realize that providing ownership with a large class of players who they're free to wildly underpay is actually also bad for the veteran market.
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https://twitter.com/DanGrazianoESPN/status/1365029931055464461?s=20
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Feb 25, 2021 21:10
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Good for Watson.
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Feb 25, 2021 21:15
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https://twitter.com/JohnCPrepper98/status/1365033424709431298 Watson might be dug in but hard to see how anyone could be more dug in than a super religious person/organization that thinks they're right in God's eyes
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Feb 25, 2021 21:28
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lmao gently caress off caserio
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Feb 25, 2021 21:46
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dirty shrimp money posted:https://twitter.com/JohnCPrepper98/status/1365033424709431298 That account has got to be fake/troll
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Feb 25, 2021 21:46
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pasaluki posted:That account has got to be fake/troll Burner for Texans front office stooge seems to be the consensus IIRC
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Feb 25, 2021 21:49
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pasaluki posted:That account has got to be fake/troll It's caserio's burner.
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Feb 25, 2021 21:50
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Feel like it's too on the nose for that, just a very well observed troll
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Mr. Nice! posted:It's caserio's burner. No it's not. It's the same as Matt Patricia's "burner"
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Mr. Nice! posted:It's caserio's burner. We all desperately want it to be, but it does feel a little TOO perfect. Then again absolutely nothing is too ridiculous for this Houston drama. If it ends up really being Caserio and he's still going at it despite people being onto him for weeks, it would barely crack the top 10 antics of the Easterby era.
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Feb 25, 2021 22:04
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I mean if your a burner you absolutely should post through it. Stopping basically confirms it
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Feb 25, 2021 22:33
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it's tim kelly's uncle's burner
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Feb 25, 2021 22:38
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It's mine. I'm trying to keep Watson out the East.
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Eifert Posting posted:I don't know if I agree with this. The new CBA made holding out pretty much impossible without fiscally shooting yourself in the foot. obviously I'm no expert but I feel like Watson's leverage would have been much higher a few years back before the new CBA regardless of CBA he just got paid his guaranteed money so when it comes down to it he can eat fines/lose entire seasons and still be set for life. his leverage is he's basically retired unless houston trades him. hypothetically the more time that goes by the less value deshaun has so it puts the pressure on houston to either get something sooner rather than later
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Feb 26, 2021 03:22
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Sour Diesel posted:regardless of CBA he just got paid his guaranteed money so when it comes down to it he can eat fines/lose entire seasons and still be set for life. his leverage is he's basically retired unless houston trades him. hypothetically the more time that goes by the less value deshaun has so it puts the pressure on houston to either get something sooner rather than later It's so loving logical is seems inevitable, yet I'd give it even odds that the rich failson and zealot executive ignore reality.
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Feb 26, 2021 03:39
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Also the longer he waits the better the chances Easterby gets busted for running some horrible criminal enterprise.
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Feb 26, 2021 03:40
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Also the longer he waits the better the chances Easterby gets busted for running some horrible criminal enterprise. He has trans hooker written all over him
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Feb 26, 2021 03:46
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Also the longer he waits the better the chances Easterby gets busted for running some horrible criminal enterprise. He has an account here.
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Feb 26, 2021 03:51
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fartknocker posted:He has an account here. He probably posts 75 times a day in CSPAM
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Sataere posted:He has trans hooker written all over him lol yea fuckin owned bitch
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:He probably posts 75 times a day in CSPAM I said C-SPAM before, so I’m gonna update it to say his posts are evenly split between there, QCS, and... let’s say CD.
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Feb 26, 2021 04:02
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Sataere posted:He has trans hooker written all over him whats wrong with a good time
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fartknocker posted:I said C-SPAM before, so I’m gonna update it to say his posts are evenly split between there, QCS, and... let’s say CD. He’s in CSPAM saying a misspelled version of Trump 25 times a day, he’s in QCS yelling at the mods for probating someone who said that Tinanamen Square never happened 25 times a day, and is in CD talking about how Zack Snyder is a genius 25 times a day.
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uh huh
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