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Toshimo posted:There's been 1 rule book and 2 mainline setting/adventure books every year, except 2020, where they only have 1 adventure. The non-mainline stuff (AI/CR/MtG) has picked up recently, but nope, they haven't changed the standard pace. Still no book for many of the fan-favorite settings: Dragonlance, Dark Sun, Spelljammer, Planescape. And the only Ravenloft book was a mediocre adventure, not really a good setting book. They are releasing a Ravenloft setting book in may and from people who I follow talking about it it sounds like they are coming out with 2 more 'classic' setting books after Ravenloft, at some point.
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Dexo posted:They are releasing a Ravenloft setting book in may I mean, sure, yeah, but where's this stuff been for the last 7 years?
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Feb 26, 2021 05:45
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My math was a bit off, it's 30 books then. Not including the 2 coming out in the next few months. Also not including smaller stuff (I lumped all of the Dragon of Icefire Peak stuff together). That seems like a lot? I mean, it's nothing compared to Rob Schwalb's output sure but he also doesn't put out huge books either.
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Feb 26, 2021 05:46
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Ultiville posted:Honestly pretty much every D&D has/had more books than needed, this one being relatively restrained doesn't seem terrible. Even if the system itself is mediocre, or they were trying to pivot away from the supplement glut of previous editions, it would still be nice if they were instead putting out adventure modules on a semi-regular basis...
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Feb 26, 2021 05:56
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KingKalamari posted:Even if the system itself is mediocre, or they were trying to pivot away from the supplement glut of previous editions, it would still be nice if they were instead putting out adventure modules on a semi-regular basis... Their old model had outsourced that to Paizo. Which in turn fractured the market with the release of Pathfinder. I’m not sure if the suits above Mearls even have an appetite for it given the nominal cost difference in pumping out tie-ins that have a theoretical built in audience.
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Feb 26, 2021 06:23
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Arthil posted:My math was a bit off, it's 30 books then. Not including the 2 coming out in the next few months. Also not including smaller stuff (I lumped all of the Dragon of Icefire Peak stuff together). You can’t count things that don’t exist yet. That’s how time works. That said this is a dumb argument because number of splats written doesn’t really mean anything, but if for whatever bizarre reason that’s someone’s bag, 5e has massively less and you can determine that with Fermi estimation without counting.
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Feb 26, 2021 07:30
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TBH there is such a thing as too much. Paizo intentionally cut back going to Pathfinder 2e, their editing and development teams just could not keep up with everything. But what they are doing now - 3 core rulebooks yearly + 3 setting rulebooks yearly + monthly adventures is about right and is about where WotC was during 3e and 4e. People want more content because assembling characters out of lego pieces has been a big part of the game and genre for about 30 years now, give it to them.
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Feb 26, 2021 07:34
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I totally agree that there is a point where it's just shovelware. Anyone who lived through 2e or 3e is familiar with the Giant Book of Beholder Anuses or whatever. And using number of books published doesn't really reflect anything about quality or anything. But if we're talking about the objective fact about how many 5e publications there have been, there are fewer. Make of that what you will, but that's how counting works.
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Feb 26, 2021 08:18
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mellonbread posted:Selling two separate male and female versions of the product is old meta. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk0i0yTPJBY
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Feb 26, 2021 09:12
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In the first couple years of 5e's run, the small number of books being published was compared to the steady release schedule of prior editions, and I was surprised to hear people claim they wanted less material published for their system of choice and that they'd felt overwhelmed by the amount of content available. So it's at least a little funny that now I'm seeing the number of books for 5e declared to be equivalent to the number released for 3.5 and 4e, and that this means that WotC is releasing plenty of content.
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Feb 26, 2021 09:13
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Dexo posted:They are releasing a Ravenloft setting book in may Re: Ravenloft, I feel like I should post this here. It’s a thread and I’m sure people will have opinions. https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1364291824714571776
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Feb 26, 2021 09:21
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Also in industry news, popular map-labelling game Beak, Feather and Bone has launched an SRD and a game jam to go with it.
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Feb 26, 2021 09:28
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Leperflesh posted:For a few minutes, I thought Hasbro was actually doing something extremely cool and progressive by announcing they were dropping the "Mr." from "Mr. Potato Head", acknowledging that binary gender doesn't have to be and shouldn't be the default for their products, but welp https://twitter.com/periuspb/status/1364997700798668801
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Feb 26, 2021 11:55
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Arthil posted:Do... Arthil posted:My math was a bit off, it's 30 books then. Not including the 2 coming out in the next few months. Also not including smaller stuff (I lumped all of the Dragon of Icefire Peak stuff together).
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Feb 26, 2021 13:57
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Baron Snow posted:Re: Ravenloft, I feel like I should post this here. It’s a thread and I’m sure people will have opinions. Is there anyone who hasn't already figured out their stance on The World's Most Produced Roleplaying Game? Hiding Mearls is an unusual choice, but I suspect that's business 101 controversy-burrying.
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Feb 26, 2021 14:49
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While I don't think Jessica Price is lying, I have no faith for WotC to do any but the slightest thing to distance Mearls after the last time when at best one of their other employees was misled. Unless it's incidental to him failing upward.
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Feb 26, 2021 15:04
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Baron Snow posted:Re: Ravenloft, I feel like I should post this here. It’s a thread and I’m sure people will have opinions. ... Huh. I never post on Twitter and apparently this user has me blocked anyway. No idea what caused that. Opened in a browser so it was still legible, so whatever. This seems like it says nothing whatsoever. Not sure it'll be controversial here. Maybe in the more reactionary communities.
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Feb 26, 2021 15:05
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One thing I thought was curious is that all 5E books are in 9pt font, save for Tasha's, which is in 10.5. Which means it's the same page count as, say, Volo's, but about 30,000 words shorter. I pulled that trick in middle school, too. I wonder if 10.5 is the new 5E standard.
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Feb 26, 2021 15:39
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Looks like I am also blocked by Jessica Price for some reason. Either way I don't feel inclined to believe her because "don't boycott this thing I worked on" is not compelling to me. Besides that, what would ending a personal "boycott" even look like at this point? Mearls gets promoted to a better position where he's no longer touching D&D so I can buy all the books he did work on? Not happening. I admit, it hasn't been hard to avoid 5e because its such a bad system. If it had built on the foundation of 4e and been a better version of that I'd be more tempted, but as it stands even if Mearls didn't work on this one book I have no use for it. Seems like the best course of action remains just ignoring D&D entirely.
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Serf posted:Besides that, what would ending a personal "boycott" even look like at this point? If they threw Mearls into a volcano, it's not going to take his fingerprints off the core system. I guess we can ethically consume modules for a game system baked in toxicity. Yay.
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Feb 26, 2021 16:00
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moths posted:If they threw Mearls into a volcano, it's not going to take his fingerprints off the core system. Let's not discourage them from trying, though.
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My problems with WOTC go far beyond Mearls, so I don’t want any of their products even if he’s not working on them. It’s like Blizzard though, it’s easy to boycott their products when you already don’t like any of them
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Hey there fellow goons. I recently finished my first Tabletop RPG, DEAD IN THE WEST, after it was funded on Kickstarter. I have about 85 physical copies to ship off, but I'm ordering 120 in total. I've ordered extras to give to several local gaming shops, who have seemed interested in the product. I have an incredibly basic-bitch baby question: ... How much do I sell the book to the distributors for, per book? I ordered 120 books which came to £1974, or £16.45 per book. I'm selling the digital edition online for £16.49 on gumroad and backers paid £26 for the physical release when the project launched. I'd like to be making a profit here and I know this is incredibly basic stuff, but I am like little baby to this world and don't know what price I should name for retailers. I must say, even by my own admission, the book is THICK and looks really nice. And if any goons are interested, you can get the Digital Edition PDF here, and go ahead and use the code "goonsgowest" for a discount.
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Calico Heart posted:Hey there fellow goons. I recently finished my first Tabletop RPG, DEAD IN THE WEST, after it was funded on Kickstarter. I have about 85 physical copies to ship off, but I'm ordering 120 in total. I've ordered extras to give to several local gaming shops, who have seemed interested in the product. This looks potentially quite interesting, but I'm gonna ask the big one that comes up with every Western RPG: "Mythic Old West, like cowboy movies and pulp novels" is setting off industrial-size alarm bells without any further detail. Those cowboy movies and pulp novels are based deeply upon settler-colonial narratives that the common mythology of the Old West in media has built on top of as a foundation. What did you do to pull away from that? It looks interesting, and when I've got some money freed up I'll likely pick up the PDF, but that not being handled is gonna be an instant dealbreaker and neither your gumroad page nor what I was able to find on the KS page answered that much at all.
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Baron Snow posted:Re: Ravenloft, I feel like I should post this here. It’s a thread and I’m sure people will have opinions.
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I understand that Price needs money to live and wants to work in her chosen field, but boy she doesn’t do a good job of making it seem okay to buy
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MadScientistWorking posted:Yeah...... The lead designer of that book worked on Pathfinder and Golarion which not going to lie doesn't give me much confidence that they aren't going to gently caress it up spectacularly. Oh, is this what Wes Schneider disappeared to? He'll be good at it, he Gets Gothic Horror and did the Pathfinder/Golarion counterpart.
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Arivia posted:Oh, is this what Wes Schneider disappeared to? He'll be good at it, he Gets Gothic Horror and did the Pathfinder/Golarion counterpart. Yea if anything Schneider being on this gives me hope because gothic horror was one of the few non-generic fantasy bits of Golarion that was strong right away. Also I know 'we have a diverse staff doing things' isn't an inherent fix but I am happy to see a lot of cool people I already like getting namechecked for this https://twitter.com/bananachangames/status/1364264896322560000 I love Ravenloft, it has some truly dogshit elements but it also is one of the most unique D&D settings that provides a very interesting change for a D&D group, I'm cautiously hopeful for this.
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Toshimo posted:I mean, sure, yeah, but where's this stuff been for the last 7 years? In the case of Dragonlance wasn't it that they burned bridges with Weis and Hickman after 3e, and only got them back to write more DL novels by rolling up a truckload of cash? Then nearly hosed that up by some Super Genius deciding that they could get out of their contract by just refusing to approve any drafts? Ah, yeah, sued WOTC for ~$30m in damages last year. quote:Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman’s Dragonlance lawsuit against Wizards of the Coast was dismissed without prejudice. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Feb 27, 2021 |
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sexpig by night posted:Yea if anything Schneider being on this gives me hope because gothic horror was one of the few non-generic fantasy bits of Golarion that was strong right away. I wonder how lovely WotC's gonna treat all of them.
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Liquid Communism posted:In the case of Dragonlance wasn't it that they burned bridges with Weis and Hickman after 3e, and only got them back to write more DL novels by rolling up a truckload of cash? Then nearly hosed that up by some Super Genius deciding that they could get out of their contract by just refusing to approve any drafts? Everyone kissed and made up a month or two ago and the books are coming out.
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Yep, and rumor has it a DL setting book for 5e late this year.
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So...how has no one sued them on this? Docking workers pay on being a minute late? Even the US has SOME worker protection laws, right? This is insane, at this point they can basically go all "FatCat Capitalist 18th Century Captain of Industry" O_o
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Kai Tave posted:I wonder how lovely WotC's gonna treat all of them. oh I'm sure like dogshit but that's a capitalism, baby! Right now I'm just calling it a win the rapist defender isn't an active part of the project, the bar's buried in the mantle of the earth at this point!
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Mr.Misfit posted:So...how has no one sued them on this? Docking workers pay on being a minute late? Even the US has SOME worker protection laws, right? That tweet is doing the super annoying "why link a source when you can post a screenshot" thing, but toy companies basically don't do any production at all in the US. I am guessing that the CLW investigation referenced there is China Labor Watch. The US does have some labor protections, which is why a lot of manufacturing is done overseas in places that are more willing to look the other way.
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Liquid Communism posted:Yep, and rumor has it a DL setting book for 5e late this year. I believe Cam Banks really wants to write it but who knows if Wizards would be that smart.
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Arguments for why it's ok to buy from WotC sound like arguments for why it's okay to buy from Wendy's. A) it's not okay. Unless you take the position that you don't care where your money goes, this is a bad place for your money to go. B) why would you want to buy from them anyway? Their burgers/fries/RPG books are trash.
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I was crunching some numbers the other day, and figured that about 75% of WotC’s revenue comes M:tG Arena, which is something like $600,000,000 dollars. So, if you want to actually impact WotC’s bottom line, organizing people to stop playing Arena will be a lot more effective than a boycott of D&D. That said, gently caress playing D&D or giving money to WotC in any way, even if personal boycotts aren’t the most effective strategy. I cannot in good conscience support WotC or Hasbro in any way at all.
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