Butterfly Valley posted:

The more pertinent question is why you're listening to them, when your original board pick had a compatible header and was a great choice for your build, which had nothing that necessitates an x570 board

feedback loop posted:

Hi pc building megathread, I'm upgrading from a system that's mostly based on 2012/2014 parts. Planning to use it for gaming at 1080p, maybe 1440p later, and a shitload of Excel, Power BI, Tableau, blah blah business number crunching. I know I want it to be Mini-ITX and I already managed to score a Ryzen 5600X, so I'm building around these two factors. I also have an R9 390 that I'll be holding onto until gpu prices calm down.

Given all this, I'm wondering if anyone sees things I could improve about this list of parts: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/100percenthorse/saved/vCfJf7. Are there places I can save money, fan configurations that would work better, better value cases than this one, etc? Thanks in advance.

PC Part Picker posted:

The MSI MPG X570 GAMING PRO CARBON WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard has an additional 4-pin ATX power connector but the NZXT C 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply does not. This connector is used to supply additional 12V current to the motherboard. While the system will likely still run without it, higher current demands such as extreme overclocking or large video card current draws may require it.

CloFan posted:

To expand on this, go to SA-Mart and buy a Win10 key from one of the sellers there for $15. It's an unused Win7 Pro key, probably from a retired business machine that used KMS or something for licensing. Completely legit and will let you activate Win10 Pro just fine.

Capn Beeb posted:

There was some concern about VRM quality on that one, and the cost difference wasn't too terrible

I haven't ordered one yet either way, so no worries! I've just never seen a conflict like that.

Butterfly Valley posted:

Your part list is private.

bus hustler posted:

this is insane poo poo, not trying to make fun of you. your friends are too online and too obsessed with numbers i'll bet none of them even understand. buy the extended warranty if you're "worried about VRMs" which are not a thing anyone encounters under normal use cases anyway.

feedback loop posted:

Are there places I can save money, fan configurations that would work better, better value cases than this one, etc? Thanks in advance.

Butterfly Valley posted:

Nr200 is a great case, I have one. The best value cooler that fits in there for the 5600x is the Scythe fuma 2 (ignore the pcpp warning) or the mugen 5 for slightly cheaper. You'd be better off getting 3200 or 3600 cl16 ram. Depending on the thickness of your eventual gpu (less than 2.5 slots) you can fit two full-size fans in the bottom as intakes, and one full-size and one slim fan in the top as exhaust, which is the optimal air cooling configuration with the fuma 2. With the mugen 5 or other slimmer coolers you should be able to get a full-size rear top fan too.

The Arctic p12 full-size fan is nearly as good as the noctua while being a fraction of the price. You can buy a 5 pack for the same price as one noctua.

Neo Rasa posted:

Well, poo poo. So I knew there were shortages of video cards but holy crap.

I wasn't planning on building a new desktop in the immediate future but our current machine is very old and is starting to have bits of hardware fail, generally at the point where it's not functioning well so the time has come.

I'll mainly be using this for work and some gaming. As far as gaming stuff goes running games at the absolute highest settings isn't necessarily needed for me. My wife and I would both use this to stream movies to friends and the occasional game too, so I guess we're looking for like a general all-rounder.


So I picked out some parts on PC part-picker but have some mega-dumbass questions about this:

CPU AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor $195
Motherboard MSI MPG X570 GAMING PRO CARBON WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard $256
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory $85
Storage Seagate BarraCuda 120 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive $220
Case MUSETEX Phantom ATX Mid Tower Case $85
Power Supply NZXT C 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $109

We already have a good display/external drives/peripheral situation so those won't be needed for this


So dumbass questions:

Does this motherboard have integrated graphics? Why am I having so much trouble knowing if this is the case or not lol

I ask because I don't necessarily NEED a separate GPU for work stuff in the immediate future so as far as gaming stuff goes, while I do want to play games on this I can wait. The GPU prices are even more insane now than the last few posts on here I'm seeing cards from like six years ago that released at $150 going for $500 I was originally looking to spend around $400 on a video card since I'd never been able to buy one before but with how inflated things are now I guess I still can't.

Is anything on here particularly standing out in this build as lovely/blatantly bad?

For this build, is the PSU in particular okay? It seemed well-rated but PCpartpicker mentions this issue:


So like should I get a better PSU that offers this or a different motherboard? I didn't think the motherboard was overkill. I was just going for whatever PSU was 80+ gold rated but honestly feel completely lost with this. I'm happy to spend more the PSU to take full advantage of the board. Any recommendation? "While the system will likely still run without it" is uh worrying to me but I don't know where to begin with how to search for something more compatible with this motherboard. We live in an old building and like we have surge protectors and all but I really don't want to gently caress around with this aspect of the computer.


Is thermal paste....thermal paste? Like is there lovely thermal paste or is it all about the same?


"What's the best way to buy Windows" was going to be my next question and this fuckin rules, thanks!

Neo Rasa posted:

Is thermal paste....thermal paste? Like is there lovely thermal paste or is it all about the same?

WattsvilleBlues posted:

Looking to upgrade my GPU (LOL) from an AMD Radeon HD 7950 3GB Boost. Most recent PC games I've played are Crysis 3 and Alien: Isolation (if you haven't played it, play it).

I'm not looking for anything advanced, even something that performs similarly. Reason being is that the fans keep kicking up on my current GPU. It's 8 years old and blowing the dust out hasn't helped.

Butterfly Valley posted:

Yeah I wanted to say something like this, also like every review I could find for the b550 Tomahawk mentioned it has great VRMs anyway. There's a whole subset of pc builders (and all consumers really) who want to justify spending more money than necessary on things because they have more money than sense and think more expensive = better. Whenever I've looked on reddit pc building pages this seems the overwhelming philosophy, just lots of people throwing around numbers with no idea what they actually mean.

Neo Rasa posted:

So dumbass questions:

der ruhige posted:

Hi all, I'm looking to build a new gaming PC within the next six months or so.

• What country are you in? USA, but home is Germany and can source parts from there and have them shipped if need be.
  
• What are you using the system for? Primarily gaming, but also professional use
  
• What's your budget? $6,000. I have already the monitor, keyboard, headset, and all the rest.
  
• If you’re doing professional work, what software do you need to use? Nothing of note here
  
• If you're gaming, what is your monitor resolution / refresh rate? 3440 x 1440 @ 100hz
  
• How fancy do you want your graphics? Ultra + maximum FPS
  

Here's what I have come up with so far https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xRNtbh

For GPU I will wait for the 3080 TI release. I'm willing to pay a markup for this part if necessary.

Butterfly Valley posted:

There's a whole subset of pc builders (and all consumers really) who want to justify spending more money than necessary on things because they have more money than sense and think more expensive = better

feedback loop posted:

Great tips there, thanks so much. I'll read up on the P12 performance a bit. How's the volume, in your experience? The only thing that concerns me about Mini-ITX right now is fan noise from poor cooling, as listening to my Node 304 spin up like a jet engine on my desk has been very annoying.

Butterfly Valley posted:

Sorry to pick on you but your build is the absolute epitome of this mindset. You can do 1440p ultrawide high refresh gaming on ultra settings with a build 1/4 the price you've earmarked. Also I have no idea how you've managed to find the prices for some of those things on your build. $480 for a Samsung 1tb NVMe? What? As you've not stated any actual professional need for a high core count processor, I suggest going away, dropping your budget to $2000 max (including the GPU), and building around a 5600x or 5800x CPU. The 3080TI doesn't exist at this point, and for your stated resolution and frame rate, a 3080 would absolutely suffice. If you're absolutely desperate to spunk unnecessary cash you might as well trim the ridiculous excesses elsewherel on your build and go for a 3090, which are actually available right now.

der ruhige posted:

however I am looking for long lasting future proof build here

Ugly In The Morning posted:

Does not exist.


The best future proofing is putting aside 2 grand of that money for a future computer.

der ruhige posted:

, and budget is not a limiting factor for me.

der ruhige posted:

Butterfly Valley posted:

In testing by people with far more time and knowledge on their hands they rate the P12s as performing nearly as well in noise, temperature and general performance as the best-in-class Noctua NF-A12x25s. The only slight caveat is some fans have motor whine detectable in the ~1000rpm range but this is rendered a non-issue by setting fan curves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwftVMGPOiI

I can barely hear the Fuma 2 in my case, and most of my case fans are really quiet. I got the NR200P which comes with two coolermaster fans I'm using as bottom intakes but I'm planning on replacing them with Arctic P12s soon. The case generally has extremely good airflow and is competitive with much larger ATX builds. The noisiest thing in my case is my FE 3080 under load, but that's just the card.

der ruhige posted:

That's okay, I understand that this system is overkill for current gen games and my resolution, however I am looking for long lasting future proof build here, and budget is not a limiting factor for me.

I changed the build somewhat after consulting with my brother https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7RwdcT

feedback loop posted:

Aside from issues that others have mentioned, there's no reason to get a full tower ATX case here. It'll be practically empty with this list of parts while taking up a ridiculous amount of space. Go for a mid tower.

Doctor Nutt posted:

On the other hand if you are like me and have shaky hands, you might find the extra space useful for when you do upgrades or maintenance in the future. Downsizing from a full ATX tower to a mini was the worst decision I've made in pc builds simply because everything is so cramped in there it's a massive pain in the rear end to work with. If you're not worrying about your massive pc taking up x amount of physical space, "wasted space" on the inside isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Ugly In The Morning posted:

Like, here’s the thing, you can max things out easily now and have a computer that will continue to at least acceptably run things for years without burning your entire budget. In the future, you can upgrade that computer so that it can continue to max things out easily. If you go all overkill now, it’ll buy you maybe, maybe a hardware generation of keeping things maxed. But probably not. And upgrading after you build is fun! It’s why I have 64 GB of RAM, I was bored one day and went to Best Buy to get something to throw in my computer.

Don’t do what 17 year old UITM did and do the equivalent of getting 7800GTXes in SLI only to have that be absolutely smoked by a single 8800GTX like a year later.

feedback loop posted:

Aside from issues that others have mentioned, there's no reason to get a full tower ATX case here. It'll be practically empty with this list of parts while taking up a ridiculous amount of space. Go for a mid tower.

der ruhige posted:

Thank you for the insight. You have a point, and I should have been more clear. I will continue to upgrade the build as necessary in the future, but I have no reason to scale back this build for budgetary reasons. One could argue that I could make do with a 1500$ budget, which is true, but there is no reason for me to do that.

feedback loop posted:

If you're going to spend a silly amount of money on a computer, at least do something obnoxious but fun like having a custom liquid cooling system installed

feedback loop posted:

Hell, if you really want a Lambo of a PC, just buy a Falcon Northwest and don't even bother with building one

feedback loop posted:

Hell, if you really want a Lambo of a PC, just buy a Falcon Northwest and don't even bother with building one

der ruhige posted:

I just checked out their site and I feel like I'm missing something. For the AMD based Tiki full tower, I see no option to change the power supply, motherboard, cooler, memory, and very limited gpu selection. Only gpus showing up are geforce 3060 TI and a bunch of quadro RTX cards.

Ugly In The Morning posted:

The tiki is the micro tower, the good stuff doesn’t fit in it. The Talon is the mid ATXsize.