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Meinberg posted:I was crunching some numbers the other day, and figured that about 75% of WotC’s revenue comes M:tG Arena, which is something like $600,000,000 dollars. So, if you want to actually impact WotC’s bottom line, organizing people to stop playing Arena will be a lot more effective than a boycott of D&D. I'd like to see that math. I'd estimate closer to 40%, just eyeballing it.
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Halloween Jack posted:Yeah, I take the very ethical and moral stance of not buying from WotC, which costs me less than nothing because I hate their products. The thing that gets to me about this is I don't hate their products. I definitely dislike 5e, but I really enjoy playing MtG and haven't really found a great alternative.
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Well now. https://twitter.com/VBalasubramani/status/1359181720298295297
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Toshimo posted:I'd like to see that math. I'd estimate closer to 40%, just eyeballing it. It’s very back of the envelope math, but the source I was looking at said that they were expecting 11 million users by 2021, and I assumed that growth rate was slowing rather than accelerating, so I put their number of users in 2020 to 8 million. The source also listed an average of $75 per user, which when multiplied, comes out to $600 million, out of an approximately $800 million revenue. I talk about this more and provide my sources in this twitter thread.
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Is this our opportunity to somehow get Zak to admit in a court of law that he poo poo his pants at Chick Fil A on the last day of Gencon? All seriousness, gonna be interesting how it pans out.
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Christ on a spike, what trust fund is financing all of these frivolous lawsuits?
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Halloween Jack posted:Christ on a spike, what trust fund is financing all of these frivolous lawsuits? He’s a rich dude whose main income is selling paintings to other rich people, iirc
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Halloween Jack posted:Christ on a spike, what trust fund is financing all of these frivolous lawsuits? His own? He literally has a trust fund.
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thetoughestbean posted:He’s a rich dude whose main income is selling paintings to other rich people, iirc According to what’s shown there his art and movie (porn?) work has been dying too. The interesting thing is that he’s doing this now, before the resolution of his lawsuit with Mandy. So either he’s really feeling the squeeze or he is not winning against Mandy remotely as easily as he thought.
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I know Cam Banks has a deep and abiding love for all things Dragonlance, but I do believe he's a little bit busy right now. He's launching like three games this year
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Arivia posted:According to what’s shown there his art and movie (porn?) work has been dying too. Thought he had the advantage because of how hosed Commonwealth libel laws are?
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Maxwell Lord posted:Thought he had the advantage because of how hosed Commonwealth libel laws are? He had a presumed advantage but that doesn’t mean it’s a slam dunk win. It’s a lot harder for him to try and litigate his victim accusing him of sexual assault than it was say Ettin.
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Arivia posted:According to what’s shown there his art and movie (porn?) work has been dying too. I'm thrilled about the potential for discovery on that statement because I've always wanted to know how much he makes on selling art.
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Oh I'm sure any discovery on his art will be weird because the modern art world is full of fuckery
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Hey remember Adam Koebel, one of the Dungeon World guys who for a big part of his elfgame career had branded himself as The Consent And Player Safety At The Table Guy, who then on a livestreamed game session sprung a surprise sexual assault scene on a player and laughed on camera while everyone else involved looked incredibly uncomfortable, resulting in the end of that game and a series of mealy-mouthed self-centered "apologies?" Well guess who Luke "In Charge of Games At Kickstarter" Crane brought onboard for his zinequest project?  Boy it's real weird how Crane listed contributors in reverse alphabetical number by first name, an extremely unusual categorization unless your goal is to sneak someone whose first name starts with an A down there at the bottom of the list where hopefully they won't be noticed. This on its own would be pretty fuckin lovely, but it also seems that Crane did not actually inform all of the contributors that Koebel had been invited to work on the project alongside them:  So it's gonna be interesting to see what, if any, fallout results from this. People have already been messaging Crane on twitter to try and find out why the gently caress he decided to do this and he has, of course, so far ignored absolutely all of them. Whether he decides to talk down to them in the guise of a pompous wizard has yet to be seen.
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I'd always believed Luke Crane was an rear end in a top hat but not actually an awful person. I think I have to revise that second part.
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Kai Tave posted:Hey remember Adam Koebel, one of the Dungeon World guys who for a big part of his elfgame career had branded himself as The Consent And Player Safety At The Table Guy, who then on a livestreamed game session sprung a surprise sexual assault scene on a player and laughed on camera while everyone else involved looked incredibly uncomfortable, resulting in the end of that game and a series of mealy-mouthed self-centered "apologies?" He also ~somehow~ neglected to name Koebel in the marketing email he sent out:  I nearly backed this because the Bakers and Morningstar have games in it, but fortunately, existing in the general vicinity of the RPG industry has taught me to always triple-check author credits to make sure there are no Nazis and rapists hiding in there. 
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Oh that's what the gently caress this is? I saw the project name in my email as a "hey you might consider", read the blurb and thought "what the gently caress is this pretentious poo poo" and deleted it. Glad to know it's not worth my time for other reasons.
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https://twitter.com/kai_tave/status/1365833417418416130 e; and here's the update from someone who pledged a dollar https://twitter.com/alendrel/status/1365833646498738176 Kai Tave fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Feb 28, 2021 |
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“Or were harassed to withdraw” Go gently caress yourself, Crane
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Man, every time there's a controversy involving Koebel it's always just him and people associated with him making the stupidest decisions possible.
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So Crane raised a bunch of Kickstarter money in order to make an old-school RPG zine, tried to sneak Adam Koebel's content inside said zine in a way he hoped no one would notice, people noticed and were pissed, a bunch of people involved pulled their content because they never would have signed up if they knew Koebel was attached, and now Crane is calling the people who caught him red-handed lying "harassers". Am I missing something or did I get it in one
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It was also some FOMO mystery box horseshit with a limited backing window to get people to buy in fast without getting cold feet, like a five day Kickstart period and it didn't describe what the gently caress the actual game or system was, it was all just "we're playing a game you and I, I am the Kickstarter and you are the backer, and below is a chart of how this game can go, ha ha ha, the game is perfect and you'll love it so much!"
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Froghammer posted:So Crane raised a bunch of Kickstarter money in order to make an old-school RPG zine, tried to sneak Adam Koebel's content inside said zine in a way he hoped no one would notice, people noticed and were pissed, a bunch of people involved pulled their content because they never would have signed up if they knew Koebel was attached, and now Crane is calling the people who caught him red-handed lying "harassers". If someone has harassed the authors, I haven't seen any of them saying so. From the looks of it, it's mostly like you said, 'I would not have agreed to this if I knew who was involved' and willingly asking that their names be removed/pulling out.
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Froghammer posted:So Crane raised a bunch of Kickstarter money in order to make an old-school RPG zine, tried to sneak Adam Koebel's content inside said zine in a way he hoped no one would notice, people noticed and were pissed, a bunch of people involved pulled their content because they never would have signed up if they knew Koebel was attached, and now Crane is calling the people who caught him red-handed lying "harassers". Yeah, you nailed it. I'm really unhappy with Luke Crane over this. He's one of my faves, and I haven't had a problem before with his general surliness, but he's definitely crossed a line here. This isn't just being rude. Like, I guess Koebel is his friend, and I can get wanting to help your friend make amends and improve after they did a bad thing. But this is not that. You can't just sneak them into a project and hope everyone's going to be okay with it. What the gently caress.
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What an incredible pissbaby Luke Crane is.
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Hostile V posted:It was also some FOMO mystery box horseshit with a limited backing window to get people to buy in fast without getting cold feet, like a five day Kickstart period and it didn't describe what the gently caress the actual game or system was, it was all just "we're playing a game you and I, I am the Kickstarter and you are the backer, and below is a chart of how this game can go, ha ha ha, the game is perfect and you'll love it so much!"  hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Hostile V posted:It was also some FOMO mystery box horseshit with a limited backing window to get people to buy in fast without getting cold feet, like a five day Kickstart period and it didn't describe what the gently caress the actual game or system was, it was all just "we're playing a game you and I, I am the Kickstarter and you are the backer, and below is a chart of how this game can go, ha ha ha, the game is perfect and you'll love it so much!" Who cares? I'd blind-back any project with Meg and Vincent Baker on it. The "perfect rpg" conceit seemed weird to me, but look at the titles the authors wrote - it's clearly some kind of joke game. And apparently whatever it was managed to interest a ton of the best designers out there. Maybe it sucked, or maybe it loving ruled. Who knows? We'll never know because Luke Crane tried to sneak Adam Koebel in. That is the bad thing here. Having a short Kickstarter period for a small joke zine is not the problem. Whether this joke game was worth $14 or not is really not the issue here. What Luke Crane did here with Koebel is bad enough that even one of his biggest fans (me) is pissed off about it.
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Jimbozig posted:Who cares? I'd blind-back any project with Meg and Vincent Baker on it. The "perfect rpg" conceit seemed weird to me, but look at the titles the authors wrote - it's clearly some kind of joke game. And apparently whatever it was managed to interest a ton of the best designers out there. Maybe it sucked, or maybe it loving ruled. Who knows? We'll never know because Luke Crane tried to sneak Adam Koebel in.
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BattleMaster posted:I don't understand why he wouldn't just do plausibly-deniable normal last name alphabetical order, which would tuck Koebel in the middle where he'd be less likely to be noticed than at the start or end. when I factored in the inclusion of Koebel in the first place, the conclusion I came to is that he is a dummy
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I was wondering when Koebel was gonna spring back up and try this poo poo and I think most people expected it to happen, considering his 'apologies'. What kind of confidence do you have to possess to think doing this sort of thing would've gone smoothly?
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On the harassment: honestly, I've not seen any, but that doesn't mean much given that you never know what poison people are spraying at people's DMs. Nobody sensible should be getting angry at the other contributors under these circumstances, especially now that multiple contributors have confirmed that they weren't told about Adam, but it's 2021, we all know how the Internet works at this point. Any sort of significant controversy is going to involve some absolute tossers. But that isn't what matters here. What matters is that this isn't a controversy nobody could have seen coming. Luke should have known that the inclusion of Adam would kick off a shitstorm. And that's the other reason why the contributors should have been told - not just so that they could make their personal judgement calls on whether they wanted to share a platform with Adam, but so they could decide whether they wanted to deal with the shitstorm that inevitably resulted. If any vile poo poo has happened (and to my knowledge it hasn't happened anywhere publicly visible), 90% of the blame is on the person who went too far. But a chunk of the blame is on Luke for taking his contributors out on a limb with him without their buy-in.
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Green Intern posted:What an incredible pissbaby Luke Crane is. Just the loving worst
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Somebody posted Crane's 'likes' from Twitter and it was all "aren't the people harassing Koebel the real Nazis?!?" poo poo.
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