|
yeah, it's reaaaal bad.
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 04:48
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 28, 2024 11:14 |
|
|
Dexo posted:yeah, it's reaaaal bad. The fact that he's a "I get to dictate the terms of our relationship" kind of guy casts the whole "Lol it was just a joke rape" thing in a far more uncomfortable context.
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 04:56
|
|
|
Kurieg posted:The fact that he's a "I get to dictate the terms of our relationship" kind of guy casts the whole "Lol it was just a joke rape" thing in a far more uncomfortable context. Only if you believed him when he was doing the woe is me it was just an one off joke gone wrong I was just trying to be fun and funny I am not like this as a person dance.
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 05:00
|
|
|
Elector_Nerdlingen posted:Only if you believed him when he was doing the woe is me it was just an one off joke gone wrong I was just trying to be fun and funny I am not like this as a person dance. I didn't. Hopefully other people read her comments and adjust their views, but there's already someone in her replies saying that she shouldn't "Weaponize her trauma" to keep him out of the industry.
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 05:04
|
|
|
Kurieg posted:I didn't. Hopefully other people read her comments and adjust their views, but there's already someone in her replies saying that she shouldn't "Weaponize her trauma" to keep him out of the industry. Didn't mean to imply that you did, sorry. I'm just a bit angry at how much "wow this came out of nowhere" type poo poo there is (offsite) right now and I'm obviously not communicating very well so I'm gonna gently caress off outside for a bit.
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 05:06
|
|
|
Doesn’t Luke Crane work for Kickstarter, the crowdfunding platform with the motto of “we support creators, except when the people we employ to create our business unionize in which case they can gently caress off”? Just another reason to never ever deal with that terrible site.
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 08:24
|
|
|
The Kickstarter union has aggressively opposed boycott at all points.
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 08:29
|
|
|
Battle Mad Ronin posted:Doesn’t Luke Crane work for Kickstarter, the crowdfunding platform with the motto of “we support creators, except when the people we employ to create our business unionize in which case they can gently caress off”? He does. People informed me today that he's no longer in charge of the Games division at KS but is instead the VP of Community (lmao)
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 09:48
|
|
|
Kai Tave posted:He does. People informed me today that he's no longer in charge of the Games division at KS but is instead the VP of Community (lmao) For bonus points it looked to me like he used the actual official Kickstarter company account for this clusterfuck not his own.
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 10:35
|
|
|
And now it looks like Adam Koebel has gone and deactivated his twitter account. He kept it up after his "apology," showed up today to promote Luke's project, and now the whole thing's taken down. Hopefully he fucks off for good this time. It looks like more people are dredging up lovely memories of Koebels past too: https://twitter.com/Silent0siris/status/1365791214407188480
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 11:41
|
|
|
Kai Tave posted:It looks like more people are dredging up lovely memories of Koebels past too: This is a disgusting thing to do to a supposed friend, holy poo poo.
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 13:43
|
|
|
Behold, perfection! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 15:46
|
|
|
I hope it was worth it for him to burn bridges with like 75% of the big names in indie gaming.
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 15:54
|
|
|
LongDarkNight posted:I hope it was worth it for him to burn bridges with like 75% of the big names in indie gaming. It's a sign of how bad the industry is that that number isn't 100%.
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 16:24
|
|
|
potatocubed posted:It's a sign of how bad the industry is that that number isn't 100%. I was just thinking of the collaborators on the project. Hopefully this would warn off anyone that wasn't involved too.
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 16:56
|
|
|
Don't blame the collaborators, they all seemingly didn't know.
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 17:01
|
|
|
Literally laughing that he thought some of these extremely outspoken and decent designers wouldn't bat an eye at being on the same project with Koebel.
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 17:10
|
|
|
A bunch of those designers had to be clinging to protective silence and are heaving a sigh of relief right now that they're not gonna be long term tainted.
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 17:50
|
|
|
theironjef posted:A bunch of those designers had to be clinging to protective silence and are heaving a sigh of relief right now that they're not gonna be long term tainted. Based on the ones I've interacted with and seen talking about it, I'm pretty sure they didn't know Koebel was involved until the KS went up, and several are real mad at Crane. Like, openly. The reason the thing got cancelled is they all dropped out the moment they found out.
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 18:04
|
|
|
Mors Rattus posted:Based on the ones I've interacted with and seen talking about it, I'm pretty sure they didn't know Koebel was involved until the KS went up, and several are real mad at Crane. Oh I know, I saw the Vincent and Meguey tweets. But that was a long list and I follow a few other people on it too, and there was some radio silence.
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 18:12
|
|
|
Mors Rattus posted:Based on the ones I've interacted with and seen talking about it, I'm pretty sure they didn't know Koebel was involved until the KS went up, and several are real mad at Crane. As far as I can tell the ‘harrassment towards other contributors’ Luke was referring to was that one of the contributors had a nervous breakdown when they realized Luke had lied to them.
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 18:13
|
|
|
LongDarkNight posted:I hope it was worth it for him to burn bridges with like 75% of the big names in indie gaming. Lamentations of the Flame Princess is always looking for more writers!
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 18:14
|
|
|
Conflating "people confronting you over the lies you told" and "harassment" is Big Abuser Energy, tbh. That's, like, day 1 abusive partner stuff. I'm sure there was a degree of people expressing anger and shock at the people involved ("Why on earth would you sign on to a project knowing Koebel's name was attached"), as well as people expressing anger and shock at Crane directly ("How could you possibly think that this was acceptable behavior"), but I haven't seen any actual harassment (death threats, etc) and wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't any.
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 18:17
|
|
|
Jimbozig posted:What Luke Crane did here with Koebel is bad enough that even one of his biggest fans (me) is pissed off about it. Yup, extremely disappointed and angry at this. I expected Koebel to try and sneak his way back into something, but this is hosed.
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 18:41
|
|
|
Lemon-Lime posted:He also ~somehow~ neglected to name Koebel in the marketing email he sent out: lmao at the mentioning Sage and crediting them on Dungeon World but skipping on also mentioning That Guy who also worked on Dungeon World. He loving knew.
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 20:14
|
|
|
Also, like...okay so you're gonna pick one game to mention that Vince Baker worked on and you pick Kill Puppies For Satan?
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 21:16
|
|
|
Mors Rattus posted:Also, like...okay so you're gonna pick one game to mention that Vince Baker worked on and you pick Kill Puppies For Satan? Yeah, that really stood out given, you know Dogs in the Vineyard and AW.
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 21:29
|
|
|
Liquid Communism posted:Yeah, that really stood out given, you know Dogs in the Vineyard and AW. I can see Baker asking not to be identified with DitV since he's disavowed it. But not identifying him with Apocalypse World, progenitor of one of the most widespread design genres in the industry, and instead tying him to a joke game? That's weird.
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 21:49
|
|
|
This whole thing seems like a lovely performative stunt, and I honestly can't figure out what Crane's ultimate goal here is because he just burned a shitload of good will across the scene including a couple dozen of the most prominent and influential designers in indie RPGs. Who is he gotcha-ing exactly?
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 22:05
|
|
|
SkyeAuroline posted:I can see Baker asking not to be identified with DitV since he's disavowed it. But not identifying him with Apocalypse World, progenitor of one of the most widespread design genres in the industry, and instead tying him to a joke game? That's weird. Yeah, the disowned part is why I figured Crane would have gone there instead, given he's a dumbfuck.
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 22:24
|
|
|
Is it the first game each person created? e: It's not. Jared's first game was InSpectres. DalaranJ fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Feb 28, 2021 |
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 22:27
|
|
|
SkyeAuroline posted:I can see Baker asking not to be identified with DitV since he's disavowed it. When/why did this happen?
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 22:28
|
|
|
DalaranJ posted:Is it the first game each person created?
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 22:38
|
|
|
Darth Various posted:Shab-Al Hiri Roach is an odd choice for Morningstar too, with Fiasco being much more famous My initial assumption was that it was a stupid 'list an unpopular game' joke applied to everyone, except Sage LaTorra has made games other than Dungeon World.
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 22:44
|
|
|
In some places Dungeon World is mighty unpopular
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 22:50
|
|
|
Kai Tave posted:This whole thing seems like a lovely performative stunt, and I honestly can't figure out what Crane's ultimate goal here is because he just burned a shitload of good will across the scene including a couple dozen of the most prominent and influential designers in indie RPGs. Who is he gotcha-ing exactly? Was he trying to make a 'I'm bigger than the game industry' flex?
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 22:54
|
|
|
Dawgstar posted:Was he trying to make a 'I'm bigger than the game industry' flex? Luke Crane's entire bit is "I'm a pretentious rear end in a top hat who's better than you because I'm different and weird and do what I want and you can't tell me what to do", so that's my take
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 23:00
|
|
|
Hanlon's Razor is in full force here. Luke thought he'd do his friend a solid and thought no one would notice or care that he snuck Adam's name in at the bottom of the list. It does raise the question of "Was this all a way to get Adam back into the industry, and did you ever actually care about this project beyond that" though.
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 23:11
|
|
|
Falstaff posted:When/why did this happen? 2018. Vincent Baker posted:Basically, Westerns can go to hell, Utah history can go to hell, and unless i extricate Dogs in the Vineyard, it can go to hell too. My thoughts on this have been historically ill received when offered. There is a generic version available that has Baker's approval.
|
|
#
?
Feb 28, 2021 23:50
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 28, 2024 11:14 |
|
|
I don't think it's that weird that they would list Kill Puppies for Satan or Shab al-Hiri Roach on this project. It's a joke game, and listing those is obviously a joke, too. It might be Baker and Morningstar asked to be identified with those games as part of the joke or it might just be Luke's weird sense of humour.
|
|
#
?
Mar 1, 2021 01:27
|
|
