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Funky Valentine posted:I swapped over to Japanese for a bit in P4G and immediately turned it off when I heard Rise's voice. I had a similar reaction when I heard some of the English VA saying senpai over and over. 
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Funky Valentine posted:I swapped over to Japanese for a bit in P4G and immediately turned it off when I heard Rise's voice. RillAkBea posted:I had a similar reaction when I heard some of the English VA saying senpai over and over. anakha posted:Most of the investigator crew's English voices sound too old for the characters they're dubbing. I ended up switching to the Japanese dub after getting called Senpai in Rise's 'way too husky voice for a 15-year old' for the umpteenth time.
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ApplesandOranges posted:Lindbeck was remembered pretty well for Celica in Fire Emblem before that, but Futaba was a real fun role for her. Just minor clarification, but the English version of P5 was out like a month or two before either Shadows of Valentia or Celica’s release in FEH.  Brandfarlig posted:So this has probably been beaten to death already but I finished P4G recently so I have to ask: what the gently caress is up with Kanjis dungeon? I think the intent was to make Kanji’s internal struggles about toxic masculinity, but the imagery and writing make it also lean really hard into the totally-not-gay thing.
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Arist posted:Look at this fool who doesn't like Peak Anime Laura Bailey
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Brandfarlig posted:So this has probably been beaten to death already but I finished P4G recently so I have to ask: what the gently caress is up with Kanjis dungeon? First: yeah, it's bad. I think the intention is that Kanji is struggling with his masculinity and is unsure about his sexuality. He performs this over the top toxic masculinity to overcompensate for people thinking he's weird or gay because he likes to sew cute things. He has a ton of internalized homophobia and that's why his dungeon and shadow look like they do. It's just, well, it's a dungeon made out of homophobia in a game that is itself homophobic. Right after that, there's the whole bit with Yosuke's homophobia on the camping trip and the joke is at Kanji's expense, not Yosuke's. It's all fumbled pretty badly.
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ApplesandOranges posted:Makoto... I dunno. I know Cherami Leigh has some chops, but whether it's because of Makoto's character or voice direction, she was easily the flattest of the PTs for me. Cherami Leigh's only time to shine in the entire game is Makoto's awakening. 
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Mar 1, 2021 13:56
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Yosuke starts to suck immediately after Kanji's dungeon and never really gets better.
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I liked her voice acting in more badass-girl roles but it didn't work for me here. 
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Badger of Basra posted:Wait, how are you supposed to pronounce their names? For the most part, characters' first names are pronounced fine, along with any shorter surnames (like Sojiro Sakura or Makoto Niijima are pronounced fine). But there's this thing they do in the dub with four-syllable surnames where they stress the second syllable a lot, and you really shouldn't stress any of them. It's hard to write it out phonetically, but for example, let's look at Ann Takamaki. In the game, the English cast pronounces it "tuh-KAH-muh-kee" when it should really just be "tah-kah-mah-kee." It's hard to avoid stressing any syllables in English so a more natural way for an English speaker to say it would be with a light stress on the first and third syllables and lightly deemphasizing the second syllable, like "tah-kuh-mah-kee." There's actually a minor NPC who pronounces Ann's name that way and it kinda jumps out as more natural. The same goes for Yusuke, who should be kee-tuh-gah-wuh and not kee-TAH-guh-wuh, and Haru, who should be oh-koo-moo-rah instead of oh-KOO-moo-ruh. Persona 4's dub doesn't have this problem, so if you want to hear an example, listen to how Yosuke Hanamura is pronounced and use that as a general blueprint. It's not like super correct Japanese pronunciation, but it's closer and it's a more natural way for an English speaker to say it. Harrow fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Mar 1, 2021 |
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Harrow posted:For the most part, characters' first names are pronounced fine, along with any shorter surnames (like Sojiro Sakura or Makoto Niijima are pronounced fine). But there's this thing they do in the dub with four-syllable surnames where they stress the second syllable a lot, and you really shouldn't stress any of them. So basically they should be saying everyone else’s last name the way they say “Yoshizawa”?
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Badger of Basra posted:So basically they should be saying everyone else’s last name the way they say “Yoshizawa”? Oh yeah that would've been a much shorter way for me to describe it. I forgot they say Yoshizawa correctly  Yep, that's exactly it.I think all of the newer characters, including in Strikers, have their names pronounced better, like Yoshizawa or, in Strikers, Hasegawa. But they're sorta locked into the weird Takamaki, Kitagawa, etc. pronunciations now. Harrow fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Mar 1, 2021 |
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Harrow posted:First: yeah, it's bad. Another fantastic improvement in P5, they merge Yosuke and Teddie into Morgana so I only have to sideline one character completely. Teddie was a bit disappointing since I liked him quite a bit at first and then he only gets worse. Same with Yosuke, really.
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Harrow posted:Oh yeah that would've been a much shorter way for me to describe it. I forgot they say Yoshizawa correctly On the upside, outside of probably maybe a handful of lines you won't hear the last names nearly as much after P5, since they're no longer in school. It's only during introductions and dealing with random adults that you'll hear them in Strikers, for instance. In fact by endgame of any Persona game I think the only characters that use last names with any frequency are Mitsuru/Akihiko in P3, and Mitsuru does it much more. Akihiko only really uses last names for Yukari and Fuuka for instance, whereas I think Mitsuru only drops it for MC and Yukari. BBTAG's dub making all the P4 characters switch to last name is some really weird voice direction. ApplesandOranges fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Mar 1, 2021 |
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ApplesandOranges posted:In fact by endgame of any Persona game I think the only characters that use last names with any frequency are Mitsuru/Akihiko in P3, and Mitsuru does it much more. Akihiko only really uses last names for Yukari and Fuuka for instance, whereas I think Mitsuru only drops it for MC and Yukari.
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Teddie is the only thing I really didn't like in P4G. I thought the VA's performance was grating and annoying, although he was probably directed as such, and the character's overall arc did nothing for me. I'd also say P3FES was easily my least favourite right up until the endgame, which is just incredible and is worth the very tough slog of the preceding 40 hours.
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Funky Valentine posted:You hear a lot of last names in P4 because half the party has local businesses named after them. It's really only Amagi that's voiced with any frequency, the rest don't really get them actually voiced other than maybe the occasional Kujikawa or Shirogane. And none of the party members use them for each other. Also I think the only other character with a business named after them is Kanji? Rise's tofu shop isn't named after her, Junes isn't named after Hanamura, Chie's family doesn't have one, and Naoto's is fairly secret.
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I definitely remember the Persona 4 characters surnames better than I do the Persona 5 ones so I feel like they did get repeated a fair amount, either that or they just stick in the mind better.
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Funky Valentine posted:I swapped over to Japanese for a bit in P4G and immediately turned it off when I heard Rise's voice. speaking of i used the jp dub for p5 just because futaba's jp va is my favorite voice actor
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Endorph posted:how dare you say this about kugimiya rie Rie Kugimiya is a good voice actress, but her Rise is insufferable
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Yeah Japanese Rise is an abomination. I'd still prefer her to, say, Dancing All Night English Rise, but normal P4 Rise is a massive improvement. Plus you don't have to listen to Japanese Teddie.
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If im watching anime I much rather prefed sub to dub, but for some reason I cannot stand it when playing a videogame. I think its the longer textboxes, it makes me feel as if I have no idea what part of the text box the spoken dialogue is at. Which is obviously not important for a language I dont understand, but it makes it more confusing somehow
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I'm clearly in the minority, but I really liked Teddie. He was, admittedly, grating at times, but I overall thought he was a good addition.
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mastajake posted:I'm clearly in the minority, but I really liked Teddie. He was, admittedly, grating at times, but I overall thought he was a good addition. Naw, I liked him too. I just have nothing to contribute beyond that though so I usually stay quiet when everyone is venting their grievances with him.
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I'm pretty sure that defending the honor of your video game friends and/or waifus is the whole point of this thread
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I hate myself a little for liking Kasumi when they're putting her in my face so much as someone they really want me to like.
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Badger of Basra posted:I hate myself a little for liking Kasumi when they're putting her in my face so much as someone they really want me to like. They can definitely be a little in your face with her, but I really liked the second half of her Confidant, when she starts getting into how she actually did resent her sister and is grappling with how to handle her memory.
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Badger of Basra posted:I hate myself a little for liking Kasumi when they're putting her in my face so much as someone they really want me to like. They do push her into the spotlight a bit too much for me but honestly her actual story is pretty good. Also you're really only forced into what, 3-4 scenes with her if you don't want to do the third semester. Maruki has forced 7-8 scenes if you don't care about him.
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Weirdly enough I think I prefer the old English Teddie, because he sounded like someone doing a Richard Horvitz impression.Gaius Marius posted:His stupid suction cup feet noise was godawful in vanilla. This is why you always have him in the Alice outfit.
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Funky Valentine posted:Weirdly enough I think I prefer the old English Teddie, because he sounded like someone doing a Richard Horvitz impression. I think most folks prefer Dave Wittenberg. He's an awesome VA. Sam Riegel is also awesome but I think Wittenberg avoided going too over-the-top with it and also his greater range meant his Shaow Teddie didn't have to use the heavy voice distortion. It could be creepy all on its own and still sound like Teddie. quote:This is why you always have him in the Alice outfit. One of many reasons.
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There's a reason I said in vanilla p4. No costumes.
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Badger of Basra posted:I hate myself a little for liking Kasumi when they're putting her in my face so much as someone they really want me to like. She’s fine, I do agree with the others she feels a little forced at first, and the constant “Senpai” is a little too much, but she grew on me. And by the third semester she really comes into her own, character wise.
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Harrow posted:First: yeah, it's bad. kanji's rank 10 s-link takes place in your room which aside from him only happens for characters you've romanced. he is 100% gay. he likes Naoto too because he's bi or not an absolute 6 on the kinsey scale but he definitely likes men in a romantic manner and you know what good for him
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Kanji really feels like someone wrote him as gay and then another person later in the process said “what? This dude can’t be gay” and changed him.
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Badger of Basra posted:Kanji really feels like someone wrote him as gay and then another person later in the process said “what? This dude can’t be gay” and changed him. Yosuke literally was written as a romance that got removed past second and that knowledge suddenly provides a lot of context for his lovely teen behaviour around Kanji.
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Troy Baker is convinced Kanji is gay and played him as such.
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At the very least Kanji is attracted to Naoto regardless of Naoto’s gender presentation, which fair Naoto is very attractive.
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I definitely don't dispute the whole 'Kanji is probably gay/bi' issue, but also it's perfectly okay for straight guys (if Kanji was one) to want to sew cute things! Which I guess is half the point of his S.Link. I don't mind Kanji's actual dungeon itself (it's confusing as heck sure, but I think some other character intros like Yusuke's are also bad), it's just everything Yosuke-related after that ramps it up.
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evidence kanji is gay/bi (non-exhaustive) 1. Rank 10 S-link takes place in your bedroom something only people you romance do aside from him 2. tells you in this s-link that he's realized the shadow from the bathhouse is him 3. begs Naoto before the beauty pageant to participate in the swimsuit portion because it will let him know that he's "not... you... know..." (implying he has never been sexually attracted to a woman before Naoto.) 4. anytime they give you an option to ask what kind of girl you like you can always pick Kanji and he's always cool with it. Yes, Kanji's arc isn't up to today's standards but I remember in 2008 having a gay character as a hero in an action game was wild as hell.
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