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THS posted:i feel like a piece of poo poo that in a world where people were working like 12 hour days and were way more oppressed, they were able to really kick off socialist revolutions, and i'm the alienated peon of a 9 hour work day, 10 hours with the commute, and i can't really read Capital because my brain is too hosed up from all of the insane everyday poo poo. i should try harder but drat i hate my job and hate everything around it. i just want to sleep when i get home. politics is very marginal to surviving and i feel like if i stopped caring about politics i'd be happier, but i know i will never stop caring about politics It's called adderall op
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i assume chibber's critique of anything is bad because it came from chibber
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# ? Feb 28, 2021 19:10 |
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Ferrinus posted:i assume chibber's critique of anything is bad because it came from chibber
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ToxicAcne posted:What do you guys think of Chibber's criticism of Said? It's been a long time since I read Orientalism (and I was too dumb to understand it) but many leftists like Tariq Ali, and Vijay Prashad adore Said. It's been a long time since I read Chibber, but Said is easy to admire, having shown more courage on the subject of imperialism than 99 percent of intellectuals, let alone "public intellectuals" and he gives a valuable rundown on Orientalist ideology, Marxists just need to remember that he's coming out of the same idealist tradition he's critiquing, and so accepts some of their foundational myths. In Theory, by Aijaz Ahmad is to my mind the best materialist work on Said.
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Pomeroy posted:It's been a long time since I read Chibber, but Said is easy to admire, having shown more courage on the subject of imperialism than 99 percent of intellectuals, let alone "public intellectuals" and he gives a valuable rundown on Orientalist ideology, Marxists just need to remember that he's coming out of the same idealist tradition he's critiquing, and so accepts some of their foundational myths. In Theory, by Aijaz Ahmad is to my mind the best materialist work on Said. I was just coming here to recommend Aijaz Ahmad- for those able to track down the pdf, "Orientalism and After" and "Marx on India: a clarification" are the money chapters. In Theory is a great example of how to offer a comradely critique, Ahmad basically starts the chapter saying, I love Said and what he stands for, but withholding critique isn't a good way to be a comrade. And then he proceeds to really thoroughly expose what a mess Orientalism is- he argues that Orientalism is an exceptionally personal work of Said grappling with his place as an intellectual whose expertise is firmly lodged in western literary canon, and who often knows very little about the countries and cultures he claims have been prevented from speaking for themselves. There's also some good if pretty common sense stuff about the way that Said (like so many of his postmodern/postcolonial/decolonial colleagues) is actually contributing to the intellectual project he claims to want to struggle against- a unitary vision of Europe as a coherent location and set of cultures that holds continuities running back to antiquity, and a view of the Orient as only able to be represented by Europe, unable to represent itself (incredibly dismissive of the millions of people outside 'Europe' who've used, e.g, Marx's work to identify the sources of their oppression and articulate a vision of national liberation.)
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That's a fair criticism. I often agree with Chibber but he often comes across as too bitter and abrasive. Unlike Vijay Prashad who comes off as very personable (He's probably the most charismatic popular M-L out there).
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# ? Feb 28, 2021 20:40 |
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Larry Parrish posted:seems kind of bizarre but its also understandable. on the other hand if i went to cuba i wouldn't be interested in the slightest in tourist poo poo beyond the beach or museums or whatever. you can take political trips where you harvest sugar cane for a day and talk to people who fought in Africa. Seems cool.
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/JoseMariaSison/status/1364310562235162624?s=19 my comradely critique is that Joma needs to log off for a bit
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# ? Mar 1, 2021 23:13 |
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So, Kshama Sawant joined DSA, but is still in SA. What should we expect?https://www.socialistalternative.org/2021/02/26/why-im-joining-democratic-socialists-of-america posted:The reemergence of a socialist movement in the United States, and rapid growth of organizations like Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) and Socialist Alternative (SA), is of enormous historical importance. This is not only because Marxism is beginning to take root again on the hard soil of U.S. capitalism, but also because of the enormous challenges facing the working class in this period.
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# ? Mar 1, 2021 23:31 |
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thats spicy as hell but there’s no dispute more socialist unity is needed in the US. i can already come up with a bunch of different hot takes about trotskyist entryism, poaching members, wreckers, etc. afaik a lot of the ISO joined the DSA after the ISO disbanded. tho this is a bit different circumstances obviously
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# ? Mar 1, 2021 23:56 |
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Atrocious Joe posted:you can take political trips where you harvest sugar cane for a day and talk to people who fought in Africa. Seems cool. they should let me pay to become a commando like the maid from black lagoon
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# ? Mar 1, 2021 23:58 |
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there's a lot of good poo poo in sawant's post, and i'm glad more proper marxists are joining the DSA
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# ? Mar 2, 2021 00:58 |
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the DSA isn't a political party while the SA is, right? I don't see any big conflict
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# ? Mar 2, 2021 01:21 |
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is SA a democratic centralist org. Does DSA still have a ban on membership in a democratic centralist org.
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Atrocious Joe posted:Does DSA still have a ban on membership in a democratic centralist org. lol
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# ? Mar 2, 2021 01:22 |
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lol
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# ? Mar 2, 2021 01:23 |
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quote:Section 3.
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# ? Mar 2, 2021 01:25 |
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SA is still a democratic centralist organization. I don't think DSA has changed its policies but they might have worked something out with Seattle DSA. Things used to be a little more acrimonious: a few years ago, a couple of SA members were booted from Seattle DSA in the past when they joined. Things have changed a lot in the past year, though, with some of the most active members of SA leaving it and joining DSA as the "Reform and Revolution" caucus. I'm a little wary -- DSA in Seattle kind of sucks.
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# ? Mar 2, 2021 01:30 |
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I haven't been involved in ages, but most of the people I encountered seemed to be coming to the table with good intentions. Of course maybe that just makes me a rube.
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mawarannahr posted:SA is still a democratic centralist organization. I don't think DSA has changed its policies but they might have worked something out with Seattle DSA. Things used to be a little more acrimonious: a few years ago, a couple of SA members were booted from Seattle DSA in the past when they joined. Things have changed a lot in the past year, though, with some of the most active members of SA leaving it and joining DSA as the "Reform and Revolution" caucus. I'm a little wary -- DSA in Seattle kind of sucks. is there anywhere that it doesn’t suck? whenever I see people talk about their local chapters, it’s about how it sucks. I’d be in the Philly chapter, which, lol
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# ? Mar 2, 2021 01:38 |
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can we just form the goon communist party (no sex weirdos allowed)
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# ? Mar 2, 2021 01:42 |
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ill make the website
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# ? Mar 2, 2021 01:56 |
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i dont think anyone has ever been kicked out of DSA for being in a separate democratic centralist org
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GalacticAcid posted:ill make the website why rhizzone already exists
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# ? Mar 2, 2021 01:57 |
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Raskolnikov38 posted:can we just form the goon communist party (no sex weirdos allowed) how do you have a party with 0 members
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every Friday night?
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# ? Mar 2, 2021 02:14 |
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Demoncrakkker Brocialists of Dumberikkka
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Raskolnikov38 posted:why rhizzone already exists
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# ? Mar 2, 2021 02:32 |
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[serious] the us needs a land reform movement
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# ? Mar 2, 2021 03:09 |
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Not American but are the kind of people who want Gavin Newsom to run for President prominent in the DSA? It seemed a few months ago that there was gonna be a split between SocDems and the Communists.
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# ? Mar 2, 2021 03:19 |
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he's incredibly unpopular even among corporate democrats in california, so I'm gonna go ahead and say no, but there are a lot of corporate dems in dsa soooooo. Maybe
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ToxicAcne posted:Not American but are the kind of people who want Gavin Newsom to run for President prominent in the DSA? It seemed a few months ago that there was gonna be a split between SocDems and the Communists. if the republicans run the rock in the recall election newsom's career is dead at least
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# ? Mar 2, 2021 03:24 |
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guilfoyle is disqualifying for him
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# ? Mar 2, 2021 03:50 |
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Atrocious Joe posted:is SA a democratic centralist org. it's not a ban per se, so much as something that power can cite to expel you if they want to expel you. it should really just be replaced with a "we reserve the right to boot you for entryism or disruptive behavior"
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# ? Mar 2, 2021 05:27 |
(drake no) democratic centralism (drake yes) centre-left democrats
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# ? Mar 2, 2021 05:33 |
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exmarx posted:(drake no) democratic centralism
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Atrocious Joe posted:my comradely critique is that Joma needs to log off for a bit I mean, they keep calling him a CIA agent, I think he's entitled to be a little pissed off.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:can we just form the goon communist party (no sex weirdos allowed) (2) are we qualified to run a whole factory complex if the answers to those questions are no, can we just convince gavin newsom and his wife to become communists and then have them run things according to a bunch of soviet textbooks uploaded to archive.org by ismail and handed to his advisors so we can keep goofing off? i dunno if we should be in charge. we're pretty angry and get heated a lot
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also get them to wear some cool outfits and maybe change their names. general secretary gavin steeldick or something
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