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Koirhor posted:I don’t even believe some Ozymandias-esque plot to unite humanity would work at this point. Alan Moore was too optimistic. ... did you actually read the comic?
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Complications posted:Hilariously, if sea level rise is fast enough it might mitigate the clathrate gun. Rapid rise of a couple tens of meters of ocean carries its own level of comedy though. well there you have it. let the waters rise. it'll also dilute the carbonized water. stop the clathrate gun. then we put up a big space mirror. bing bong, climate change solved. yw thread
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climate change isnt real (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I wonder if a carbon tax high enough would result in bringing back logging camps with logs floated down the river, which stopped after WWII because it was cheaper to transport people and supplies directly (yes, I know it's too late and we need direct market intervention) I was curious because the epilogue of Roots (1977) mentioned that Alex Haley's ancestors / Kunta Kinte's descendants came to own the town lumber mill, and then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logging_camp was on the front page of Wikipedia, and suddenly it sounds like this neat thing that's late 1800s but not necessarily Wild West that I'd like to see in some Assassin's Creed type game
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I have it on good authority that the log drivers’ waltz pleases girls completely
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ty, I'd never heard that one before and looked it up on YouTube
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Trabisnikof posted:But Marxism isn’t just a moral philosophy, it’s a theory of change and a theory of economics that has as a core premise not just that capitalism will collapse but that something better will replace it when it does. No, Marxism also posits an alternative scenario where human society no longer continues. There isn't a historical inevitability to the continuance of the human race within Marxist thinking. We can survive as socialists or we can perish as whatever we like. Who is to say if it's still correct, Marx was not a prophet and socialism's enemies are not silent or without strength. It is entirely possible that capitalist society annihilates all of humanity, this was borne out with the creation of nuclear weapons. Tomorrow is not promised by anyone.
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Rime posted:Holy gently caress. Sorry about that. Got to keep up the thread standard "There's always more, and it's always worse". galenanorth posted:I wonder if a carbon tax high enough would result in bringing back logging camps with logs floated down the river, which stopped after WWII because it was cheaper to transport people and supplies directly (yes, I know it's too late and we need direct market intervention) Logging camps never went away in some parts of the world. They've changed a bit in this province over the years, but even with 40% of our coastal trees being taken out by helicopter you still need a ground crew to fall and rig the logs for lifting and a booming crew in the dump to put a raft together for a tug to drag to its destination, all of whom probably get to work via a fast boat from a logging camp. The big difference is that now instead of being a local mill the destination is often freighter bound for China because milling is cheaper there. There are exceptions, like the Nanaimo pulp mill that was bought out by the employees and is now producing products that include the feedstock for surgical masks. This is probably what got Trump to drop his attempt to prevent 3M from exporting masks when someone realized that 3M gets its raw materials from some town in B.C. no one important has ever heard of. Modern logistics is strange. edit: Costco had Dr. Praeger's California Style Vege-Burgers on sale last week. Had one for lunch today. Quite good, but each burger is individually artisinally wrapped in the finest crinkly plastic. gently caress it, back to homemade vegetable Korma. Maybe I can make it a bit drier and mold it into patties if I feel the need to grill something and put it in a bun. Hexigrammus has issued a correction as of 05:43 on Mar 2, 2021 |
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greetings
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Homeless Friend posted:greetings well can't we find it and put it back?
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The funniest thing about that article is the author reminisces about all the microbial life sacrificed by farmers over the years since the land was settled. Doesn't even question the settling, or if perhaps there was some sort of land management before those settlers. The results of whom his ancestors washed into the gulf. America ftw.
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i will not be deprive of my industrial ethanol produced by a corn feedstock. you can't take it from my hands. you can't stop me putting it in gasoline.
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Homeless Friend posted:The funniest thing about that article is the author reminisces about all the microbial life sacrificed by farmers over the years since the land was settled. Doesn't even question the settling, or if perhaps there was some sort of land management before those settlers. The results of whom his ancestors washed into the gulf. America ftw. MORE CORN MORE CORN MORE CORN MORE CORN MORE CORN MORE CORN MORE CORN
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it's wild that it works out cheaper to ship raw logs across an ocean than to process then locally
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redleader posted:it's wild that it works out cheaper to ship raw logs across an ocean than to process then locally this reminded me of the biomass green energy schemes that harvest timber in Africa and then ship it to Europe to be burnt
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redleader posted:it's wild that it works out cheaper to ship raw logs across an ocean than to process then locally this but basically anything that doesn't fit in a 12"x12"x12" box/air mail.
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redleader posted:it's wild that it works out cheaper to ship raw logs across an ocean than to process then locally And yet our carbon emissions keep skyrocketing even though everything gets cheaper every year Weird
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The more costs you externalize, the more profit you can make!
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Goth Odell Beckham posted:I can be dead within the next 10 minutes at any time if I really want to be.
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let's start a cult
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perepelki posted:let's start a cult what do we worship? actually it doesn't matter, i'm in
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Homeless Friend posted:The funniest thing about that article is the author reminisces about all the microbial life sacrificed by farmers over the years since the land was settled. Doesn't even question the settling, or if perhaps there was some sort of land management before those settlers. The results of whom his ancestors washed into the gulf. America ftw. bear in mind also that the landscape would have looked vastly different not least because it predated the introduction of the European earthworm- soil (and its management) in North America was fundamentally different before this in the period after the ice age killed the native worms
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Something I hate about climate talk (usually found in places other than this thread) is the “well actually” guy who says humanity will never go extinct, because there will always be at least a handful of humans living somewhere, even if it’s in a vault trying to wait the climate out, or a spaceship headed for nowhere. According to a lot of people, humanity’s greatest hope is an imaginary future that I find bleaker than suicide. For me, humanity is the promise of new poo poo. Humanity is the situation where multiple groups of humans live in different places, and live differently. Different problems are solved in various ways, different foods are eaten, different languages are spoken, different stories are told, different clothes are worn, and there’s something new to learn from somebody else. I don’t think it’s humanity any more if it’s a bunch of Elon clones living on a space ship, or a culture of a couple hundred vault people who all know each other. What’s your minimum bar for a number of people still counting as humanity? I guess I would put mine at new musical styles being traded between communities.
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as a mentally and physically ill goon that spent the last calendar year in lockdown/isolation I find your anti-mole-people bigotry and erasure of our culture offensive vvv fair point MightyBigMinus has issued a correction as of 14:46 on Mar 2, 2021 |
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I’m pretty moled up, but I also don’t really consider myself to be part of humanity at the moment. If everyone were living like me, no matter how many of them there were, it would not constitute humanity.
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CODChimera posted:what do we worship? actually it doesn't matter, i'm in we worship Nothing
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I join the cult of posting
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Real Mean Queen posted:Something I hate about climate talk (usually found in places other than this thread) is the “well actually” guy who says humanity will never go extinct, because there will always be at least a handful of humans living somewhere, even if it’s in a vault trying to wait the climate out, or a spaceship headed for nowhere. According to a lot of people, humanity’s greatest hope is an imaginary future that I find bleaker than suicide. um actually we won't "Destroy the Earth" as most of it's constituent mass will continue orbiting the sun for hundreds of millions of years after we are gone  um actually we aren't overpopulated, in a fantasy universe where we had a completely different society we could theoretically use our resources so efficiently that we could sustain far more people um actually we aren't going to cause the human race to go extinct, because some ultra rich people will create self-sustaining subterranean bunkers that could, if we are talking complete hypothetical fantasy land, theoretically last forever! Humanity would never go extinct if we just devoted the resources of our entire world to a generational ship and invented working Sci Fi stasis! The dictionary definition of "Humanity" could last for millennia! Longer! Hypothetically!!!
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I'm going to exist forever because my skeleton is going to last a really, really long time if nothing happens to it
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there'll be some number of people left, maybe like 2000 - 5000, and they will wander the wastes and eat plastic, just as we do today. this may sound bleak to you, or hopeless, but humans are quite capable of happiness through profound ignorance and that's why we will kill the climate and everything else and survive. it will be hard, but i'm willing to make that sacrifice.
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perepelki posted:let's start a cult Green Monks.
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Bloomberg's "Green" page is hilarious: you can watch the CO2 ppm go up in real time. neat!
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I read that emissions are about to go up even higher than they were before the COVID-induced slowdown so we may hit that coveted 420ppm (what posters call "the lmao level") relatively soon!
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lol we're only at 0.78°c of realized change so far lol we've already baked in at least 1.5°c more on top of that even if we halt everything today lmao
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Real Mean Queen posted:Something I hate about climate talk (usually found in places other than this thread) is the “well actually” guy who says humanity will never go extinct, because there will always be at least a handful of humans living somewhere, even if it’s in a vault trying to wait the climate out, or a spaceship headed for nowhere. According to a lot of people, humanity’s greatest hope is an imaginary future that I find bleaker than suicide. My guess is the future circa 2200 will be 70 million Russians living in Siberia and occupied Scandinavia vs 100 million Americans living in occupied Canada with the rest of the world uninhabitable.
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gently caress COREY PERRY posted:lol we're only at 0.78°c of realized change so far Thought it was 1.2C?
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CODChimera posted:what do we worship? actually it doesn't matter, i'm in tricked you it's number
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i read that emissions are about to be sequestered into super dense carbon balls that will be hurled into space elon musk hurling diamonds into the void, to save all of us
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